We only have one fit starting cb.
One of maguire and Lindelof is basically our first choice cause varane is constantly out.
Besides Gvardiol, Martinez and Varane as back three with Shaw and Dalot as wingbacks is quite strong
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Besides Gvardiol, Martinez and Varane as back three with Shaw and Dalot as wingbacks is quite strong
World Cup hype, he's a promising player but 95M? Not even close.
Someone like O’Shea who could fit both CB and RB (without being a diva) would be nice
He is a brilliant left sided centre back, we already have one
We haven’t played a back 3 in 8 years, and have just hired a manager who doesn’t play a back 3.
And I wouldn’t swap him for Martinez
He's a much higher ceiling I think, and I think he'd have no problem playing on the right, where Varane is a known sicknote.
Three clubs putting massive bids in and no tier 1 source mentions it?
Super obvious bs
Super obvious bs
I thought the whole Reddit Tier system has been debunked?
Define”debunked”?
There are some journalists which are more reliable than other journalists. How can that be debunked.
He did play Blind at LB, so it's possible he sees Gvardiol as a similarly brilliant and technically sound, versatile player who could cover Shaw (with the RB pushing up high as Dalot does with Antony wide, so it's really a back 3 in possession) and Lisandro.
But yeah, bit weird, doubt it happens.
But we can spend both… that’s the point really. We are going to sign Nkunku. We are close to getting h the real over the line for Zakharyan. We will most likely go back in for players like Leao.
If we were talking about not going after an attacker so that we could get Gvardiol you might have a point. But nobody involved with Chelsea or covering Chelsea has come close to implying that’s the case.
I just added together the amounts paid for the equivalent 4 players I thought you would keep if we were making that type of comparison. They are claiming we … spent too much on one position? So I thought it interesting to look at the actual investment. It mostly highlights the value of having a very good academy.You’ve been using Essein’s calculator it seems
That math didn’t even take into account the fact that we made 50m selling Tomori and Guehi, also our own Academy products, and I didn’t feel like getting into the Phil Jones’ and Eric Bailly’s of the world , so I didn’t feel the need to include KK’s paltry 30.
Ultimately, if we do manage to get the Gvardiol deal across the line, I think we will have a really strong core group of central defenders going forward, and the overall investment will have been relatively low.
It doesn’t really NEED to be low. I just find it interesting that if would be.
Varane - £35m
Martinez - £49m
Lindelof - £30m
Maguire - £75m
Total - £189m
Koulibaly - £33m
Silva - Free
Gvardiol - £83m
Fofana - £70m
Total - £186m
I’ve used the figures recorded on Transfermarkt for consistency.
So United have spent £3m more on those four players you wanted to highlight despite the numbers being skewed with Silva being a free transfer.
Obviously you lost both Christensen and Rudiger for free who are valued on the same site at £26m and £35m respectively. That’s £61m lost.
When you factor in Chelsea have spent;
£69m Kepa
£21m Mendy
£48m Cucerella (rising to £60m)
£44m Chilwell
Compared to United;
£20m De Gea
£32m Shaw
£19m Dalot
Your numbers, and attempts to make out Chelsea have done/are doing shrewd business compared to United, make zero sense.
he sounded completely non plussed by the idea of playing for Chelsea in the quotes the other day, obviously should be aiming for one of the real giants
Forget what transfermarkt says. There is no chance AC and Rudiger would a fetch a combined £60 in the actual market. Rudiger was worth at least £80m on his own, and AC would never go for less than £50m.
Agree he is awesome and experience but that’s no good to us if he won’t be playing because of injuries. Surely you can agree with this? What’s your solution if he’s again missing chunk of games in the second part of the season? We conceded too many goals already.
Yeah I was just going off their current valuations but you’re right.
It’s worse than that. I was being kind!
Yeah I’m not sure who spent what on who is a game Chelsea will come out looking great in no matter which club you compare the spending with.
Agreed which is why I’ve no idea why he brought it up!
This. Saying no to him would be madness if it there was a chance. Saying that CB at this point in time is on the bottom of the list of our needs.
Well, we apparently said no to Kounde. Or Tuchel did. And we got Fofana … which I still think wil turn out to better for us, especially as we will be moving away from that hard 3 at the back eventually (when Potter uses it he does so by shifting players around tactically in the flow of the game, not in the same way as Tuchel or Conte, who employ it as dogma)
We had half a meeting with De Ligt and his people told us “not interested”. Tuchel was apparently not high on this idea either, but it had more to do with the brief period Bayern showed possible interest in Werner and we were trying to move him than it did a desperate need for De Ligt specifically.
We did a good job with Endrick. We didn’t win that one, but C’est la vie. A lot of the things we wanted from working that deal we did get.
This will be our … twentieth meeting about Gvardiol? With a group we’ve been working multiple deals at the same time with… while also integrating some of their staff with our front office. Nothing says it can’t get hijacked, but it isn’t exactly at the same stage as the others you mentioned. If it does fall through? Would suck, but we have alternatives scouted, and contacts with them. Chelsea would just switch gears.
I didn’t bring it up … I was responding to someone who said we spent too much on one position…
And the detailed and accurate numbers kind of proved their point!
Ummmm…. Phil Jones, Phantom of the Operating table.
Sensible head - We don't need to be spending as much as that on a CB the now, lots more pressing issues elsewhere.
Muppet head - yes fecking please. Quality player and a Rolls Royce of a defender.
Muppet head - yes fecking please. Quality player and a Rolls Royce of a defender.
That’s not the 4 we want to end up with. You are responding to a particular post … so read that post please. I specifically mentioned ending up with Gvardiol/Colwill and Chalobah/Fofana…I pointed out the overall spend wasn’t really that much because YOUR United fan thought it was too much money to buy another CB. We don’t care. And we/I dont particularly care if we come off as frugal. I specifically mentioned that, and that I was only pointing out you had spent the same or more for the 4 CBs I assumed you would keep … which only made the assertion that going for Gvardiol was too much more odd.
I mentioned I didn’t include Silva because I think he’ll be gone soon and so will Koulibaliy ultimately. I also didn’t include making 50m on Guehi and Tomori.
I was specifically discussing the cost of the group I thought we would ultimately keep if everything goes to plan.
From my perspective it’s:
Fofana 72m
Chalobah Free/Academy
Gvardiol 90m+
Colwill Free/Academy
I really don’t particularly care if we spend more than other teams think we should. If that list had 90m next every name.. great. This obsession is primarily a United thing.If I say “we still want Gvardiol” how much we’ve spent already on CB’s is not the first thing brought up by any other fanbase. I think you guys have been shell shocked by Glazer ownership.
Let’s have context here. The players were all purchased at different periods of time, when valuations were different.
Varane was a bargain
Martinez was reasonable
Lindleof £30 mil was a lot for the time.
Maguire horrendous, before £80 mil was the new £40 mil
Kouli bad choice, reasonable price
Silva bargain
Fofana a little too early to say
Could he work as a rcb?
Because I don't think there's any point moving Martinez there.
I only have seen his WC performances and some select Leipzig games but he's easily the most promising prospect I've seen in recent years, even better than de ligt.
Because I don't think there's any point moving Martinez there.
I only have seen his WC performances and some select Leipzig games but he's easily the most promising prospect I've seen in recent years, even better than de ligt.
Your mate @Bluelion7 mentioned the fees and what not.
It’s a daft comparison agreed. That said it’s blindingly obvious Chelsea have spent more and continue to haemorrhage money.
On the contrary the obsession with money is very much something you seem fixated on.
Every thread boasting about how much money Chelsea have and will spend. How great Boehly is etc.
We don’t really care either.
You probably should. Boehly et al talk a big game because they have to do that to appease the fanbase as post-Roman owners but at the end of the day they aren't Roman, they're private equity people who absolutely 100% are in this to make money. They may have bought the club believing that investing a lot in players in the first couple years would be the best way to drive asset value and make money in the longer term, but like all good private equity people they will turn on a dime and recalibrate their strategy if the world starts showing them facts that don't support their initial thesis. So far they've just lit a bunch of money on fire while making the team worse, nothing has gone remotely to plan. They're not going to just keep spending 200-300m every summer until they have a winner.
Chelsea are in a risky position when you combine four things: (a) the team Roman left had a payroll way disproportionate to revenue fundamentals (ie, stadium/leagueTV/commercial), its like a United or City sized payroll with Arsenal or Tottenham level revenue fundamentals (b) revenue growth in football is really hard to drive higher in the short-to-medium term, you don't have any control over broadcast, commercial is constrained by the size of your fanbase, matchday only rises with the stadium investment which is a long-term project (b) they had some really bad contracts like Lukaku's they inherited and (d) they added some more really bad contracts last summer like Koulibaly/Sterling/Cucurella.
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False statement, ole played three at the back at times and so did Mou. Erik should have played three at the back against city, we wouldn’t have had that embarrassment
I can't see United being interested unless ETH goes a three man defence. I can see why they would be interested but there's pressing concerns in the squad mainly in the forward line and midfield.
I certainly would like to see the club throw their hat at some of these emerging young players. My only criticism for last summer's business was the age profile of some of the midfield signings (De Jong, Rabiot, Casemiro and Eriksen) not much blend of youth. The wide forwards average ages are good however. If Maguire is heading out the door as reported, Varane / Martinez have undoubtedly been solid this season but Varane is prone to a knock.
I certainly would like to see the club throw their hat at some of these emerging young players. My only criticism for last summer's business was the age profile of some of the midfield signings (De Jong, Rabiot, Casemiro and Eriksen) not much blend of youth. The wide forwards average ages are good however. If Maguire is heading out the door as reported, Varane / Martinez have undoubtedly been solid this season but Varane is prone to a knock.
There is your answer. Maguire is done, Lindelof is baby soft shit, Jones is stealing a living, and Varane is always at risk of getting injured. You need 2 CBs who are starter material and who can stay healthy long enough to not hinder the team. It's not a cliché when one says that the building of a successful team begins at the back and goes forward.
Seems extremely unlikely.
The balance of having a left-footer at LCB is something ETH has referenced more than once in terms of why we signed Martinez:
He'll prefer a right-footed player at RCB for exactly the same reasons.
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Not the finished article.
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