Why I'm sceptical.
Jim Ratcliffe: Ten Hag's future is not my call.
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Nothing wrong with this. Probably devastating for Ten Hag to hear though, this is as close to a vote of no confidence as it gets. Jim's basically saying "yeah he's been shite but it's up to Omar and Dan to get rid of him".
If they were always going to wimp out and wait for Ashworth and Berrada, they shouldnt have publicly tapped up half a dozen managers and fatally undermined ETH.
They dont do that they dont then (stupidly) feel compelled to activate his extension in a show of support.
The club would have looked far more intelligent and professional if they'd just announced all sporting decisions would be deferred until the new execs were in place and had time to assess. In hindsight I have no idea why they didnt go this route.
The chances of the Glazers veto’ing Ineos are slim. Even if they do that a veto, which isn’t confirmed when they handed over the sporting side of the club, they know they had their chance and ran the club into the ground. They know that they understand feck all about running a football a club and are quite happy to see Ineos try and turn this around while they chill in the background.
I don't see anything wrong with those comments, he is right he hired people to make these decisions and he shouldn't meddle in that. Nothing worse than a boss who always interferes with the work of his team.
Ashworth and Berrada aren’t dumb. They know Ten Hag isn’t the guy.. I think they just don’t know who is yet, and if they do.. he isn’t available atm.
It’s their first big call, they have to get it right.. being reactionary and paying off ten hag just to bring in someone who brings different problems would be stupid
It’s their first big call, they have to get it right.. being reactionary and paying off ten hag just to bring in someone who brings different problems would be stupid
I don’t think it was handled well at all, but they would have been idiots not to start sounding out options, if they all wanted Tuchel and he agreed to the conditions set out, then great. Seems like he didn’t and so they decided keeping Ten Hag for a year was better than giving a five year contract to the wrong manager.
The extension obviously had to happen. You can’t have a manager with 9 months left on his contract. It’s heavily incentivised apparently and so I doubt the payoff will be anything too significant for a club our size.
It's his own fault. Not willing to change and sticking with suicide ball every game.
True. The summer was the best chance but you can’t really blame them. Ratcliffe was right when he said previous managers haven’t been successful in the previous regime. ETH deserves a chance under new leadership but nothings changed regarding tactics etc. now’s the time to change
If he isn't sacked during this International window then I feel like this is a decent point. Let's wait and see. Personally I think he's gone.
Agree. The last thing you want is a rich owner hiring seemingly best in class decision makers, and then not letting them do the job you hired them for.
Exactly as it should be. Well said, Jim.
Saying all the right things, but we all know he'll have a say, as will Joel and Avram.
Exactly that, this is worse than a vote of confidence, I think even a draw or a defeat against Villa gets him the sack the next morning with RVN taking over for 10 games then it will be to the end of the season, allowing the hierarchy to take their time and try and get an absolute elite coach, Inzaghi would be perfect. If he’s willing to come to United?
Some sources on X saying that Inzaghi was offered to take over immediately after the international break, but he declined.
Sir Jim Ratcliff gave a PR answer. He hired the management team and paying big bucks to do footballing matters. Usually like any big corporation there is a chain of command who reports to who , who give orders and who receives and who work in parallel. They usually communicate through reports and meetings. IF the decision to fire Eric ten hag is made ( say by Berada, Ashworth..etc)they would have to consult with their bosses ( sir jim ratcliff ..etc) for the final say or approval . It is inconceivable that such a big decision would be made with letting the big bosses know first. The big bosses may not micromanage but need to know what is happening at the club and its operation. Aftercall they have invested on the club and the last thing they want to hear is from the media that Ten Haag is gone.
Did the OP think it was Ratcliffe's call? The Glazers didn't do the hiring and firing either and they got their buddies Ed Woodward and Matt Judge to do that. So long as the current bucks are more competent than Glazers clueless idiots was then the current transitional period will go more smoothly.
Complaining that the owners are finally letting football people make decisions?
crazy complain.
crazy complain.
aka "I hired you and spent feckton for you, you better fix it then"
Big Jim has spoken.
I am sure the TV dimwit pundits will give an educated opinion on that and everything else United...riveting stuff
I am sure the TV dimwit pundits will give an educated opinion on that and everything else United...riveting stuff
That's exactly what I was hoping for.
I'll be honest, Ratcliffe meeting Tuchel and then him being at Villa Park this weekend when it looks a fair chance of being ETH's last game made me worry that he was being too hands-on. Which is exactly what we don't want. A non-football man making football decisions is a recipe for disaster. He needs to hire the right people, then stay the hell out of their way while they run the club.
Ashworth should be the final decision maker for it, while having to run it by Berrada and having strong advice from Wilcox. While I do wish that they'd made the decision before this season started, ultimately they'd been in position for such a short period and with so many other changes happening that I'm going to overlook it for now. It might be the first sign of future failings, or (hopefully) it was a one-off thing due to the situation and they'll be more decisive in the future.
I'll be honest, Ratcliffe meeting Tuchel and then him being at Villa Park this weekend when it looks a fair chance of being ETH's last game made me worry that he was being too hands-on. Which is exactly what we don't want. A non-football man making football decisions is a recipe for disaster. He needs to hire the right people, then stay the hell out of their way while they run the club.
Ashworth should be the final decision maker for it, while having to run it by Berrada and having strong advice from Wilcox. While I do wish that they'd made the decision before this season started, ultimately they'd been in position for such a short period and with so many other changes happening that I'm going to overlook it for now. It might be the first sign of future failings, or (hopefully) it was a one-off thing due to the situation and they'll be more decisive in the future.
Beyond appointing Berrada and whoever else at the top of the tree, there really should be very little else that Ratcliffe is in charge of. That's what a good owner does. They have money, and they are self aware of what they know and what others know. Then they sit back and let the guy they've trusted to run the stuff, run the stuff.
Don't care whose call it is. They just need to fire him or their "project" is at risk of running aground already.
SJR is not making football decisions. There are other people that do that, and they just want to keep Jim happy.
If Jim isn't happy with Ten Hag, football people will fire him to make Jim happy again.
This isn't news, is it?
If Jim isn't happy with Ten Hag, football people will fire him to make Jim happy again.
This isn't news, is it?
Shouldn't they have known this long before now?
It was entirely apparent to me when Bournemouth won 3-0 at Old Trafford at the start of last December, nothing since has shifted my mind at all. Why has it taken them so long?
Wish this guy would stop talking. The best owners in football are the guys who keep a low profile.
That's the PR speaking. The truth is the Glazers own the club and have the ultimate veto. Yes Ratcliffe and co run the football side but thats just management. Make no mistake the Glazers outvote everyone in the boardroom still with their majority shareholding. The rest is a smoke screen. But in any case as a Man Utd fan going back to the days when we were in the second tier of English football things are just going from bad to worse. Both with recruitment and on our on field play.
The vote of no confidence came when they went on the hunt for new managers at the end of last season.
United have never asked for money for the new stadium from the government.
Exactly this.
The reality is, it is his call. He owns the club, along with the Glazers. What he's doing here, is just called politeness.
At no stage during any hiring or firing process, especially of someone as high up as the manager, is Jim NOT going to know about it or be informed about it. It's just ridiculous to assume he would never be the final person to green light it.
He may not be the person to initially decide he needs to go but make no mistake, he will decide in the end, because everyone else works under him.
I ran my own business for 40 years and yes, I didn't make all the decisions, that's why I hired managers. But if there was a big call to make, then that gets fed up the chain of command and ultimately, it was always my decision in the end, after consulting people.
Do people really believe that those managing nuclear weapons on a submarine, are the ones deciding if they get fired or not, without the Prime Minister/Presidents decision? Of course not.
Trust me, if anyone makes the call, it's Jim.
You're adding 1 and 1 and coming up with 5.
It's not even open to interpretation. You've quoted him where he explicitly says it's the management team of Berrada etc who decide those things.
There's a lot of talk about a ridiculous £17m payoff for this manager's abject failure to do his job. Is there a way around this? Don't sack him then. Promote Ruud and demote Ten Hag.
Persisting with a falling coach = success. Who knew?
If they're genuinely happy with this then we're in bigger trouble than we realise. Being a good coach goes beyond what happens on the training pitch, and it is clear that whatever is happening in training is either not actually that good, or is not translating on the pitch. Or maybe it is, but other clubs are just doing it better than us and have figured us and Ten Hag's methods out.
You say this is the road to success but I've not known another successful club stick with a manager in this position. In fact, they don't even let it get to this point. And they definitely don't say they're happy with training and we'll accept the actual poor performances, that's just laughable.
If they think that then they are literally idiots, no offence to them.
Sack him on Monday no matter what the result is this weekend.
I am starting to agree with this. Plenty of references about recently that imply we have players who are poor trainers or aren’t putting in the requisite effort. It’s not good enough and shows on the pitch.
It was ultimately the Glazier's decision though, wasn't it?
Doesn't Sir James have the final say on these huge appointments/sackings?
He's purposefully brought in football people to do football people things.
It's not his call because that's his choice.
It's not his call because that's his choice.
Pretty much.
I highly doubt it comes as a shock, even to Erik
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I was ranting for sh1ts n giggles. Of course he’s going to engage with local authorities and national government when doing a large project that affects infrastructure.
But in the same months you’re laying off staff to save costs? It’s a bit shit.