Jesse Lingard will have an excellent season | Discuss in his player performance thread

[Majima]

Lingard had 840 minutes, 106 players qualify, 11 of those didn't have a goal/assist (1 of which was obviously Jesse). So he's a member of the 10.4% of attacking players without a goal/assist. Those 11 are below:

1232mins | Roberto Pereyra - Watford
1162mins | Solly March - Brighton
1081mins | Matteo Guendouzi - Arsenal
1029mins | Miguel Almirón - Newcastle
931mins | Oumar Niasse - Cardiff
920mins | Elias Kachunga - Huddersfield
906mins | Yves Bissouma - Brighton
886mins | Ryan Bertrand - Southampton
880mins | Juninho Bacuna - Huddersfield
844mins | Jonathan Hogg - Huddersfield
840mins | Jesse Lingard - Manchester Utd

Thanks a lot. So 4 out of the 11 are from relegated teams. The rest from bottom half teams & the only player from a top half team is a DM. Says it all

Lingard only played 617 mins from start of the new year to the end of the season? I would have thought it was more. Transfermarkt has him at 1668 mins total for 2018/19 & 223 mins so far this season.

 

[RedSky]

Thanks a lot. So 4 out of the 11 are from relegated teams. The rest from bottom half teams & the only player from a top half team is a DM. Says it all

Lingard only played 617 mins from start of the new year to the end of the season? I would have thought it was more. Transfermarkt has him at 1668 mins total for 2018/19 & 223 mins so far this season.

Nah he was injured or missing at times last season. Don't you remember he got injured then rushed back too early for Liverpool and went off injured again in that mental game when all 3 subs were used in the first half due to injuries and we held out for a 0-0?

 

[Majima]

Nah he was injured or missing at times last season. Don't you remember he got injured then rushed back too early for Liverpool and went off injured again in that mental game when all 3 subs were used in the first half due to injuries and we held out for a 0-0?

Ah i remember now, who could forget that match? He also missed our best chance too before he went off.

That makes sense now. Cheers.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Apart from a brain.

And pace.

And skill on the ball.

And a physical presence.

Other than that he has EVERYTHING required to be a top player.

I mean, you're way over the top there mate. Forget my opinion. It's as simple as managers of great pedigree like LVG and Jose, not to mention newbies like Southgate and Ole keep picking him. Nevermind yours and my opinions mean jack shit, but yours are also patently wrong.

Multiple top level managers squad appraisal > SAFs turd >>> Ducklegs opinion

Back to my point - if Jesse were able to knuckle down and get his head straight I think we'd have seen more consistency and improvement. The right role models are vital to that and we didn't have enough.

 

[targetman]

would you take Lingard for a season?

 

[RG 11]

Lingard had 840 minutes, 106 players qualify, 11 of those didn't have a goal/assist (1 of which was obviously Jesse). So he's a member of the 10.4% of attacking players without a goal/assist. Those 11 are below:

1232mins | Roberto Pereyra - Watford
1162mins | Solly March - Brighton
1081mins | Matteo Guendouzi - Arsenal
1029mins | Miguel Almirón - Newcastle
931mins | Oumar Niasse - Cardiff
920mins | Elias Kachunga - Huddersfield
906mins | Yves Bissouma - Brighton
886mins | Ryan Bertrand - Southampton
880mins | Juninho Bacuna - Huddersfield
844mins | Jonathan Hogg - Huddersfield
840mins | Jesse Lingard - Manchester Utd

He's in such elite company

 

[Ducklegs]

I mean, you're way over the top there mate. Forget my opinion. It's as simple as managers of great pedigree like LVG and Jose, not to mention newbies like Southgate and Ole keep picking him. Nevermind yours and my opinions mean jack shit, but yours are also patently wrong.

Multiple top level managers squad appraisal > SAFs turd >>> Ducklegs opinion

Back to my point - if Jesse were able to knuckle down and get his head straight I think we'd have seen more consistency and improvement. The right role models are vital to that and we didn't have enough.

You mean, currently unemployed managers like Jose and LVG, and 2 managers who have won nothing with him playing.

Appealing to authority with examples of people who have failed with his contributions, genius.

If his name was Jesus Lingart and he had been bought from CFR Cluj 5 years ago rather than a british academy product he would be out the fecking door.

 

[Denis79]

I mean, you're way over the top there mate. Forget my opinion. It's as simple as managers of great pedigree like LVG and Jose, not to mention newbies like Southgate and Ole keep picking him. Nevermind yours and my opinions mean jack shit, but yours are also patently wrong.

Multiple top level managers squad appraisal > SAFs turd >>> Ducklegs opinion

Back to my point - if Jesse were able to knuckle down and get his head straight I think we'd have seen more consistency and improvement. The right role models are vital to that and we didn't have enough.

Very good point, I also believe that a lot of our players feel/think that they have already made it at top level, there is no one to push them above and beyond. Think Jesse is one of those players, that believes he is better than he actually is. He wouldn't have made it this far if he didn't have talent and hopefully there is so much more to his game than we have seen.

Our best season since SAF was when when we won the EL, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Zlatans influence and professionalism played a big part in that seasons success.

 

[Casanova85]

I would loan Lingard to Germany or Spain for a season, see how he does there.

 

[Red Devil's Advocate]

Folks, just stop being knee-jerk caustic. We don't have Galacticos at the club to single out someone who is contributing in one way or the other.

Jesse, Rashford, Maguire, Pogba, Pereira, Shaw - judge all of them by the end of the season. If they do well, good enough. If they don't, we know what to do (barring Maguire since no one will pay out even half of what we paid for him, so I am hoping he truly becomes world class)

 

[Sterling Archer]

Very good point, I also believe that a lot of our players feel/think that they have already made it at top level, there is no one to push them above and beyond. Think Jesse is one of those players, that believes he is better than he actually is. He wouldn't have made it this far if he didn't have talent and hopefully there is so much more to his game than we have seen.

Our best season since SAF was when when we won the EL, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Zlatans influence and professionalism played a big part in that seasons success.

Absolutely. That's the season we went on a 25 game unbeaten run as well. We had a dire number of wins in that time, which highlights what was missing, but the fact that we managed to not lose to me is a similar sign of the grit players like Ibra spread throughout.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

Absolutely. That's the season we went on a 25 game unbeaten run as well. We had a dire number of wins in that time, which highlights what was missing, but the fact that we managed to not lose to me is a similar sign of the grit players like Ibra spread throughout.

You mean the most stupid winning run in history. When we started in 6th & ended in 6th. Bring Zlatan the statue back for more fun & games.

 

[Stubble]

What's the problem with giving Gomes a few 45 min stints to see if he can bring more guile, creativity and end product to the 10 role where Lingard is ultimately not providing any of this. If it doesn't work out then it's Lingard or Mata for this season unfortunately or give Fred a go in there . Not trying another possible solution is bizarre - Gomes showed enough in pre-season to suggest he could provide the additional creativity needed to supplement Pogbas. Ole just seems to want players who are quick and run around a lot but that doesn't work against teams sitting back as we discovered this week and numerous times last season. You also need players who find the killer pass and unlock the door . Question is does Ole have the sophistication to change his tactics slightly from out and out speed merchant counter attacking football if not expect much more of the same unimaginative dross this year.

 

[Fitchett]

Jesse Lingard will have an excellent season - said no one ever

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Jesse Lingard will have an excellent season - said no one ever

@MaxiPaxi said

 

[Stubble]

What's the problem with giving Gomes a few 45 min stints to see if he can bring more guile, creativity and end product to the 10 role where Lingard is ultimately not providing any of this. If it doesn't work out then it's Lingard or Mata for this season unfortunately or give Fred a go in there . Not trying another possible solution is bizarre - Gomes showed enough in pre-season to suggest he could provide the additional creativity needed to supplement Pogbas. Ole just seems to value players who are quick and run around a lot but that doesn't work against teams sitting back as we discovered this week and numerous times last season. You also need players who find the killer pass and unlock the door in these types of games. Question is does Ole have the sophistication to change his tactics slightly from out and out speed merchant counter attacking football if not expect much more of the same unimaginative dross as we saw against Palace.

 

[Stubble]

A left field option is to try Fred in Lingards role the guy presses well is creative and can certainly find a pass plus his occasional loss of possession brain farts won't matter in this position..

 

[MrMarcello]

I've no doubts SAF would have shipped him out by now. Just like Chadwick, Gillespie, Spector, the list goes on.

 

[Sterling Archer]

You mean the most stupid winning run in history. When we started in 6th & ended in 6th. Bring Zlatan the statue back for more fun & games.

I don't think you're following. It wasn't a winning run. It was a number of games not losing. You're also missing the point I made.

 

[GifLord]

I don't think you're following. It wasn't a winning run. It was a number of games not losing. You're also missing the point I made.

We're going kinda off topic here but it kinda was the most pointless undefeated run ever. Just look at the draws

 

[billybee99]

Jesse's got everything in his locker to be a fantastic player. The problem is he's a fecking child. For everyone that gets ants in their pants when we shake our heads at JLingz and all that nonsense, I don't think you realize how the two go hand in hand. It's why so many promising players become nothings, they don't have the mental fortitude and discipline for it. Jesse's a prime example. If he were instead punched in the face by Roy Keane and Cantona, he'd have turned out a better player.

That is just patently false. He has very little in his locker to be a fantastic player. He doesn't pass well. He's not a great dribbler (when is the last time you saw Lingard face up a defender and take him on), he is weak on the ball, he makes no key passes and doesn't even attempt them, he has no nose for goal. Keane and Cantona can't make a poor player better through fear. Punching Jesse in the face a few times won't turn him into Zidane.

 

[Sterling Archer]

We're going kinda off topic here but it kinda was the most pointless undefeated run ever. Just look at the draws

It is off topic but yes. It was a good debate back then itself, whether there was any merit to be taken from the 'unbeaten' streak when it was a historic low number of wins. I was one that saw the bright side - a team that didn't have the quality to win consistently but did have the fortitude to keep from losing matches for a respectable time. It was a platform to build on.

If you're a midtable, top 10 club as we are now, you'd do well to aspire for a run like that. And that's the thought - if we had more leadership in the team we might not be losing to Cardiff and Crystal Palace at home. We know the team is good enough to beat them but that they not only didn't but lost suggests a need for true leaders to get the best out of the lot.

 

[manunited1919]

That is just patently false. He has very little in his locker to be a fantastic player. He doesn't pass well. He's not a great dribbler (when is the last time you saw Lingard face up a defender and take him on), he is weak on the ball, he makes no key passes and doesn't even attempt them, he has no nose for goal. Keane and Cantona can't make a poor player better through fear. Punching Jesse in the face a few times won't turn him into Zidane.

You have to be more open minded, let’s give it a try.

 

[Siorac]

Folks, just stop being knee-jerk caustic. We don't have Galacticos at the club to single out someone who is contributing in one way or the other.

Jesse, Rashford, Maguire, Pogba, Pereira, Shaw - judge all of them by the end of the season. If they do well, good enough. If they don't, we know what to do (barring Maguire since no one will pay out even half of what we paid for him, so I am hoping he truly becomes world class)

Give them a new bumper contract? It's what we usually do.

 

[tenpoless]

Jesse's got everything in his locker to be a fantastic player. The problem is he's a fecking child. For everyone that gets ants in their pants when we shake our heads at JLingz and all that nonsense, I don't think you realize how the two go hand in hand. It's why so many promising players become nothings, they don't have the mental fortitude and discipline for it. Jesse's a prime example. If he were instead punched in the face by Roy Keane and Cantona, he'd have turned out a better player.

Alright. What's in this locker then? beans? not discipline? not mental fortitude?

 

[devilish]

I've no doubts SAF would have shipped him out by now. Just like Chadwick, Gillespie, Spector, the list goes on.

Gillespie was 10 times the player beans is

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Its sad that we keep dross just because he is academy product. Mid table player at best, that is why he starts for us. Its not his fault, its the clubs fault. Let him off the hook, ffs.

 

[tenpoless]

Lingard is like, a very young potential though. Has every perfume in his lockers.

 

[Renegade]

Lingard had 840 minutes, 106 players qualify, 11 of those didn't have a goal/assist (1 of which was obviously Jesse). So he's a member of the 10.4% of attacking players without a goal/assist. Those 11 are below:

1232mins | Roberto Pereyra - Watford
1162mins | Solly March - Brighton
1081mins | Matteo Guendouzi - Arsenal
1029mins | Miguel Almirón - Newcastle
931mins | Oumar Niasse - Cardiff
920mins | Elias Kachunga - Huddersfield
906mins | Yves Bissouma - Brighton
886mins | Ryan Bertrand - Southampton
880mins | Juninho Bacuna - Huddersfield
844mins | Jonathan Hogg - Huddersfield
840mins | Jesse Lingard - Manchester Utd

Ryan Bertrand the LB & Guendouzi the DM? Have they been playing further up that time? Awful company to be in.

 

[Godfather]

Jesse's got everything in his locker to be a fantastic player. The problem is he's a fecking child. For everyone that gets ants in their pants when we shake our heads at JLingz and all that nonsense, I don't think you realize how the two go hand in hand. It's why so many promising players become nothings, they don't have the mental fortitude and discipline for it. Jesse's a prime example. If he were instead punched in the face by Roy Keane and Cantona, he'd have turned out a better player.

That’s funny because I think it’s the exact opposite. I think he has a good attitude. His childishness outside the pitch doesn’t change that. But he’s a bang average footballer without essential technical skills, no eye for a killer ball and a pretty weak shot.

 

[Redcy]

That’s funny because I think it’s the exact opposite. I think he has a good attitude. His childishness outside the pitch doesn’t change that. But he’s a bang average footballer without essential technical skills, no eye for a killer ball and a pretty weak shot.

I agree I think that is the only reason he is still around, he had a good approach to the team and training, he puts in a shift every game. Its not his fault he is not good enough to play a 10 role in this formation.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

This is one of those classic threads that's going to last all season isn't it.

Baffling thread to make tbf OP. Aside from a good 6 weeks in 17-18, Lingard has never shown anything to suggest he belongs at this level. Considering the position he plays, for a team who win the majority of their games, his output goal/assist wise is absolutely shocking, there really is no other word for it. I'm almost certain that he would have been sold by now if he wasn't an academy graduate.

But hey, he runs around a bit so it's cool... Young 'n' Learnin'

 

[Bwuk]

A left field option is to try Fred in Lingards role the guy presses well is creative and can certainly find a pass plus his occasional loss of possession brain farts won't matter in this position..

I think this is a much better idea than pushing Pogba to #10.

 

[Adisa]

I just hope there are people at the club telling him his performances and output aren't acceptable.

 

[RedSky]

Ryan Bertrand the LB & Guendouzi the DM? Have they been playing further up that time? Awful company to be in.

Ryan Bertrand used as left midfielder at Southampton.
Guendouzi used as a central midfielder at Arsenal.

I've just used the position that Whoscored has put them down for in each individual game summary. They have Guendouzi as a DMC in 4 games totalling 315mins and CM in 11 games totalling 985mins with Undeclared positions (Sub roles) for 96mins.

 

[charlenefan]

I just hope there are people at the club telling him his performances and output aren't acceptable.

The fact he was subbed after less than an hour against Palace is a step in the right direction. He's obviously not as untouchable as people think he is

 

[Kemizee]

Lingard optimises everything that is wrong with relying solely on utd youth and the 'utd way' or 'utd spirit'. Controversial but I'm sick of this line being used a lot like it's meant to get us to the top - it really won't.

If you ain't good, get rid. Be ruthless. Never have I seen a player at united that's been there for so long only because of energy and that he runs a lot.

What utter bollocks.

God bless you sir. Nothing to add.

 

[Denis79]

The fact he was subbed after less than an hour against Palace is a step in the right direction. He's obviously not as untouchable as people think he is

Smalling and Jones do not even make the bench, I hope Ole will be as ruthless with any player who doesn't perform. I've never read in to what is said in press conferences, especially with Ole who always tries to keep it positive and protects his players. He can praise Lingard as much as he wants and still bench him.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

I just hope there are people at the club telling him his performances and output aren't acceptable.

Well Ole already said he expected more from him this season and he was the first to get subbed off against Palace (and rightly so)

 

[NWRed]