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We should be looking to get rid in Jan
We should be looking to get rid in Jan
We are so short of attacking numbers in the squad it’s a joke, so it would be a bold decision, but I your 100% right. He should be gone!
I ducking hate is attitude too! Beanz beanz beanz with a clothing line. His social media is infuriating. You can tell that a couple of hours after a loss, he’d be joking around like a fecking pre pubescent teen. Shit mentality to have in the squad and absolutely nothing player.
I think the club are waiting for him to pick up form before announcing new contract.
The announcement may be a while.
Darius Vasell had 22 caps for England. So not really a valid argument.
This is Lingard's only defence that stops people questioning his incredibly low level of ability. He's a passenger that has a semi decent shot, can play an easy pass and cover a lot of ground, adding to the fact that he plays for Man Utd after being the luckiest man available to make into the first team from the academy in a position the first team has been starved of. Cleverley got 13 caps for England because of almost the exact same reasons, now we know he shouldn't have been anywhere near it, it's the same with Lingard.
I'm convinced he's a wum. You go into any thread and he's always making the contrary argument with just bizarre comments.
No shit. He sounds like JohnnoWhite from RAWK.
Makes you wonder how the hell he fooled Sir Alex, LvG, Mourinho at club level, and numerous Managers at International level for so long, tiss a mystery.
He never played a game under Ferguson, and he weaseled his way into LVG and Mourinho's team in a position we've been starved of options. He has qualities that makes it possible to be a passenger in an already functional side as I mentioned before, but he's been exposed massively in the last 2 years when he's been relied on as a senior first team regular.Makes you wonder how the hell he fooled Sir Alex, LvG, Mourinho at club level, and numerous Managers at International level for so long, tiss a mystery.
Lingard never played for Ferguson. Ferguson said some nice things about him as a young player but he also said Phil Jones would become the best Manchester United player of all time.
Im pretty sure he didnt actually think Phil Jones would become the best and the same goes for Lingard. He was just saying nice things about them to make them feel good or give them the feeling to, how Evra described it, not wanting to disappoint the manager and try even harder to win.
Maybe Lingard could have been part of a Fergie team but Ferguson loved having special quality in his front line and wasnt afraid to spend money on that. I doubt Lingard would have played as much as he has if Fergie was still boss.
What passing ability has Lingard shown to be played as a number 8? He played there in the World Cup with Alli and England were notoriously unable to create many chances in open play and were heavily reliant on set pieces. Yes you could argue had you had another type of midfielder next to him it would help but Lingard has shown he is occasionally good at a few things: working hard, making space for others in the final third and sometimes interlinking play between forwards.It wasn't just saying nice things though was it? It played out exactly how SAF predicted it would.
Jesse was twice an unused sub for SAF so I think it's safe to say if SAF had stayed on he would have got a chance though it would have been in his best position(no.8), and not in the front-line.
He never played a game under Ferguson, and he weaseled his way into LVG and Mourinho's team in a position we've been starved of options. He has qualities that makes it possible to be a passenger in an already functional side as I mentioned before, but he's been exposed massively in the last 2 years when he's been relied on as a senior first team regular.
99% of our fan base can't really stand him being a first team regular anymore and when the majority is as one sided as that, it's conclusive that he should be nowhere near Man Utd's first team.
What passing ability has Lingard shown to be played as a number 8? He played there in the World Cup with Alli and England were notoriously unable to create many chances in open play and were heavily reliant on set pieces. Yes you could argue had you had another type of midfielder next to him it would help but Lingard has shown he is occasionally good at a few things: working hard, making space for others in the final third and sometimes interlinking play between forwards.
A number 8 needs to be able to defend as Darren Fletcher could. Lingard could play there if the other two CMs compensate for his lack of midfield quality, physical attributes and defensive ability. But he simply isnt good enough in attack to make that arrangement.He's got a canny knack of finding space when there doesn't appear to be any, and he's more a ball carrier(taxi!) like a Darren Fletcher than a passer though his short game in tight areas is good when he's at the top of his game, and if he can get his confidence back up he can still be a very useful player for United linking the midfield and forwards, in the short and long term.
A number 8 needs to be able to defend as Darren Fletcher could. Lingard could play there if the other two CMs compensate for his lack of midfield quality, physical attributes and defensive ability. But he simply isnt good enough in attack to make that arrangement.
Utlimately he's a very average footballer. I used to feel he was fine as a squad but it appears he's at the level of a squad player to players who should ideally be squad players. For example the likes of James should be the backup /rotational option to a starter rather than Lingard being the backup/rotational option to James.
Do you have anything to back up that he is more than an average footballer?Darren played most of his football in a rigid 4-4-2, we're moving towards 4-3-3, or 4-2-3-1 so the requirements of a no.8 are totally different now.
He's in piss poor form, nobody is denying that, but i'm sorry to say he's a very average footballer is just nonsense.
He's a shit footballer.He's in piss poor form, nobody is denying that, but i'm sorry to say he's a very average footballer is just nonsense.
Do you have anything to back up that he is more than an average footballer?
He's a shit footballer.
(laughing smiley) because that's the best you could come up with zero regards to actual parameters that help in judging a forward/attacking player.Erm you don't spend nearly 20(twenty)years at Manchester United football club if you are only average.
(laughing smiley) because that's the best you could come up with zero regards to actual parameters that help in judging a forward/attacking player.
Persisting with players like him is the reason why we are in such a mess but whatever.
He also played in a 433. Look around at most teams. A number 8 tends to have defensive acumen, some physical presence or both. Lingard has neither. I dont think he is incapable of playing the role. But he's more suited to do so for Crystal Palance than Manchester United.Darren played most of his football in a rigid 4-4-2, we're moving towards 4-3-3, or 4-2-3-1 so the requirements of a no.8 are totally different now.
He's been in this supposed "form" for over a year now. And even before that he was never all that good. He's very average - at his best merely good. That's the sign of a player that isn't very good.He's in piss poor form, nobody is denying that, but i'm sorry to say he's a very average footballer is just nonsense.
Brilliant criteria right there. Performances don't matter - just spend time at football club.Erm you don't spend nearly 20(twenty)years at Manchester United football club if you are only average.
Makes you wonder how the hell he fooled Sir Alex, LvG, Mourinho at club level, and numerous Managers at International level for so long, tiss a mystery.
He also played in a 433. Look around at most teams. A number 8 tends to have defensive acumen, some physical presence or both. Lingard has neither. I dont think he is incapable of playing the role. But he's more suited to do so for Crystal Palance than Manchester United.
He's been in this supposed "form" for over a year now. And even before that he was never all that good. He's very average - at his best merely good. That's the sign of a player that isn't very good.
Spot on. He's great at fooling people. It's not a coincidence that two of the best games Rashford played this season is without him.
This paragraph is wrong, especially the bolder part. Iniesta I accept didn't really have physical presence but defensive acumen is a different thing.Jesse has been likened to Andreas Iniesta and Jean Tigana in style, neither had defensive acumen, or some physical presence.
Well of course a team will play better with XI men contributingSpot on. He's great at fooling people. It's not a coincidence that two of the best games Rashford played this season is without him.
Brilliant criteria right there. Performances don't matter - just spend time at football club.
Obviously he's average by the standards at this football club. I'm sure at a lesser club he'd indeed be seen as a quality footballer.
Or maybe it is a coincidence.
Go on them, why has he lasted so long at one of, if not the biggest club on the planet if he's only average?
From the moment SAF retired, the only player we signed for the #10 position was Juan Mata. Kagawa was signed by SAF but was mostly played in the #10 role by Moyes. Or that position was usually occupied by Rooney.Go on them, why has he lasted so long at one of, if not the biggest club on the planet if he's only average?