Lacked serious quality on the ball once he had it. One of our clear weaker players
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- Appearances
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- Goals
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- Assists
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- Yellow cards
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No they werent, I see no reason to lie to ourselves about this. Lingard had his usual moments of giving a shit, aside from that he was his usual ball watching passenger self. Pereira was just missing altogether bar one fantastic pass. They are simply not good enough, not by any stretch of the imagination.
I was disappointed he didn’t come off sooner and wanted gomes to get minutes. Especially when it was won.
Doesnt do anywhere near enough offensively. Squad player at best.
Doesnt do anywhere near enough offensively. Squad player at best.
You don't beat any good side 4-0 if your players don't play well/good.
The team was very functional and all worked hard and worked together well. Chelsea didn't take their chances and looked well off the pace when United went ahead a goal. The swarming and pressing from United deep into the match was refreshing. There was a collective spirit and understanding from everyone. Yes, there are a few players in the starting XI that you can upgrade on, but not if we're sacrificing the greater good of the team for individuals.
Gomes wasn't even on the bench
He assisted the assister in each of our first 3 goals.
Lingard is very good technically. He's got a great first touch, a great one-touch passing game, a great pressing game and is one of the most intelligent players at finding space in midfield that you'll see in Europe.
Where he's poor is with his finishing and his creativity.
But if you have him in your team, you create overloads and passing triangles that make it easier for more inventive players to make chances.
His performances are often low-key but impressive. When the ball arrives at his feet, you know he'll make the right decision quicker than any of his teammates. What he won't do is make a genius decision, but then neither will he take more touches than is necessary. He's super reliable and super clever. That's why his managers love him; even ones as different in their philosophies as LvG, Mourinho and Ferguson.
I know that there's an obsession with goal/assist stats (I can be guilty of it at, too, tbf), but there's more to the game than that.
Lingard is very good technically. He's got a great first touch, a great one-touch passing game, a great pressing game and is one of the most intelligent players at finding space in midfield that you'll see in Europe.
Where he's poor is with his finishing and his creativity.
But if you have him in your team, you create overloads and passing triangles that make it easier for more inventive players to make chances.
His performances are often low-key but impressive. When the ball arrives at his feet, you know he'll make the right decision quicker than any of his teammates. What he won't do is make a genius decision, but then neither will he take more touches than is necessary. He's super reliable and super clever. That's why his managers love him; even ones as different in their philosophies as LvG, Mourinho and Ferguson.
I know that there's an obsession with goal/assist stats (I can be guilty of it at, too, tbf), but there's more to the game than that.
Re-watch the game and you'll see that Lingard and Pereira switch positions at 27:17
Ederson doesn't have his first shot until 39:29 and then three more in the second half.
It was a clear tactic. Rashford done the same on the other side in the first half.
yeah, I watched the game, did you? Lingard was missing for the first half and a lot of the second. Same for pereira. We were lucky as feck to go in to the second half one up.
I’ll say it again because it’s he thread, Lingard was mostly absent yet again. And a good run and a key pass doesn’t change that. No point lying about his contribution, we all have eyes. We saw him doing feck all most of the time.
This is it thanks. Had all that in my head, thankfully a much more articulate person came in and spelled it all out! Good post.
Assisted the assister? Are you serious? Is this where the fanboys will go now? Inventing statistics? This isn't the National Hockey League; there is no assist for assisting the assister.
-Dan James has more Premier League goals in 16 minutes + injury time than Jesse Lingard has in the entirety of the year 2019.
-Paul Pogba had more assists today than Jesse Lingard has in the entirety of 2019 in the Premier League.
-Raheem Sterling, yesterday in a single game, scored one less goal than Jesse Lingard scored in the entire 2018-19 Premier League campaign - that's 27 appearances.
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Football is 11 versus 11 on a much bigger pitch than most other sports (like NHL). And unlike most other sports, it's a continuous game (as opposed to NFL), and low scoring (as opposed to, say, rugby).
There's more to the game than just goals and assists. Football is attritional and revolves significantly around team interplay. If you want to think about football only between the last pass and the final shot, be my guest. You'll never understand the game properly if you do, but it's your perogative.
Yes this is why people lament him holding on to the ball too long, not spotting passes or runs. He takes way more touches than is necessary. First half wasn’t great, almost non existent entity but 2nd half came in to the game a lot more.
If they lament that, they need to stop watching the match through the filter of the Matchday forum.
His one-touch game is excellent. I'm more than willing to criticise other areas of his play, but anyone who thinks he's bad at that needs to watch him again.
I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not. He holds on to the ball for way too long when he should be popping off a pass. It was a huge problem of his last season and it carried on in pre season. Even today there was 1where he should have passed the ball and chose to daly on it.
I cna't tell if you're being serious, either.
I'm in the middle of a rewatch right now. Tell me which minute you're talking about and I'll keep an eye out for it.
I generally rewatch all United matches at least once, depending on the gap to the next game. What you've claimed is not true at all.
was clearly a tactic in first half as ole alluded to, and neville as well. when we made the change as neville pointed out we were much better at actually breaking
He did what he does best today - feck all in attack, huge defensive contribution in transitions and completed his once-a-game mazy run that ends in feck all.
He’s very good at what he does mind you.
He’s very good at what he does mind you.
McTominay - 48 passes (90%)
Pogba - 61 passes (82%)
Rashford - 22 passes (64%)
Pereira - 20 passes (80%)
Martial - 32 passes (81%)
I'd like that one of my 3 attackers contributes more to the match than not losing the ball but the minimum we ask for players Lingard did a perfect job of which results in a 6-7 out of 10 performance which is fine.
it is well covered that he had a bad season last season. people whining about it in every single thread ad nauseam, along with every single other thing all the way down to pogba falling over twice trying to do a spin because lingard wasn't moving and rashford losing his work ethic because lingard is affcting him off the pitch. zzzzz
I'm guilty of being down on Jessie as well... but I must admit, as a part of a larger picture, I can see why Ole may stick with Lingard. He will run for days, and is an unselfish player. Not too creative but is fast and aggressive which will help keep the press on all 90 minutes.
If we want to press and keep pressure on, as well as play counterattacking aggressive soccer, Jessie will pose a threat to flank Rashford and Martial with pace. I'd be happier seeing Martial sit a game or 2 to give Greenwood a run and keep Lingard on as someone working hard to provide the effort and sweat required to get the quick counterattacks.
If I think long enough about this game today, I conclude that it's the exact result that we needed and the EXACT effort and tactical setup that we fans have been longing for over the last few years. We pressed high and were immediatley in attack mode when we won the ball. We were more than solid at the back and we kept our heads about us when we came under attack. Additionally, we finished with composure today. These things were many of the things we complained about under Mou and AVG... Too defensive, too possession focused, not counterattacking, not pressing, etc.... Today, we came out to run, to fight and to attack immediately after winning the ball and sometimes it wasn't exactly beautiful but it sure was fun to watch!
If we want to press and keep pressure on, as well as play counterattacking aggressive soccer, Jessie will pose a threat to flank Rashford and Martial with pace. I'd be happier seeing Martial sit a game or 2 to give Greenwood a run and keep Lingard on as someone working hard to provide the effort and sweat required to get the quick counterattacks.
If I think long enough about this game today, I conclude that it's the exact result that we needed and the EXACT effort and tactical setup that we fans have been longing for over the last few years. We pressed high and were immediatley in attack mode when we won the ball. We were more than solid at the back and we kept our heads about us when we came under attack. Additionally, we finished with composure today. These things were many of the things we complained about under Mou and AVG... Too defensive, too possession focused, not counterattacking, not pressing, etc.... Today, we came out to run, to fight and to attack immediately after winning the ball and sometimes it wasn't exactly beautiful but it sure was fun to watch!
Sure but in the second half he was still getting jn.
And jesse was playing as a 10 by that stage
Fair enough.
He was alright today. ‘Busy’. He’s not a winger of course. Today was a good Lingard game, but he is who he is, and when we do finally get a proper top class threat on the right it will highlight that his good isn’t ultimately good enough. But I have little qualms today.
I agree.
Once we get a quality RW then it will hit home how average he actually is. I don't hate the lad at all, but do find it hilarious the lengths some will go to defend his quite awful output for a supposed United attacking player.
I thought that was a good lingard performance. Which isn't particularly special compared to some but its all you can ask for from lingard. He's going to play a lot this season, so complaining about him after a match like that just seems odd tbh.
In terms of workrate and the larger plan he was one of the more obvious choices for making do with while we address bigger problems. I'm not exactly impressed with how many of the bigger problems we tried to solve over the summer but its not on lingard or solskjaer. So you kind of just need to get behind the pair of them.
In terms of workrate and the larger plan he was one of the more obvious choices for making do with while we address bigger problems. I'm not exactly impressed with how many of the bigger problems we tried to solve over the summer but its not on lingard or solskjaer. So you kind of just need to get behind the pair of them.
He was very good today, constantly pressing and changing defense into attack. He is our best presser by a mile and could go on for days. People who cant see this arent focusing on the football only hating JLingZ. Poor sod needs to be cut some slack here.
I thought he was pretty good today (just watched the game now). Involved in the second and third goals.
When our other players play as well, a solid 7/10 performance like that is acceptable and, given the attributes he does posses, a good foil to our more talented attackers.
Nothing to complain about really from me today.
When our other players play as well, a solid 7/10 performance like that is acceptable and, given the attributes he does posses, a good foil to our more talented attackers.
Nothing to complain about really from me today.
Well said.
Started slowly -like the team as a whole- but grew into the match and made some good link play.
Fully agree with this.
He shouldn’t be right mid nor should Pereira. I hope we didn’t go for anyone this summer because we’re going for sancho next season.
Didn't think he even played badly today 
I'm not sold on him but can see why Solskjaer might like him in the middle, for now at least. Some games call for Lingard and against good teams where we need someone to provide pressure it makes sense that he plays. When we play against a very compact defence and need someone to unlock them, then we should opt for someone else.
I'm not sold on him but can see why Solskjaer might like him in the middle, for now at least. Some games call for Lingard and against good teams where we need someone to provide pressure it makes sense that he plays. When we play against a very compact defence and need someone to unlock them, then we should opt for someone else.Watching a match and having the capacity of understanding who does what and if it is effective or not...that is your problem.
Lingard was very good today. Majority of people on the Caf and on YouTube will agree that Lingard was very good today.
Did you not see the first goal? Why did the ref allow advantage for Rashford...oh that's right, Lingard closed down the Chelsea player who pinged the ball off Lingard and it went straight into Rashford's path through on goal.
Did you not see the second goal? Rashford dribbles down the left channel, Lingard makes the correct run and angle, retrieves the wide of the mark pass from Rashford, quickly lays it off to Pereria who beats Zouma and delivers a peach of a cross to Martial.
Did you not see the 3rd goal? Quick interplay down the right touchline, Lingard is the option for the inside pass and continues to link the play quickly for Pogba to transition quickly up the pitch via pass over the top. The tempo was quick and it enabled Rashford's run to be rewarded.
Goodnight now.
I voted him Motm for yesterday game. Surprised not many people thought the same. I'm not his biggest fan but he was our key player in changing the game yesterday imo, especially in the second half.
I like that a lot of people have a footballing sense on here. More power to all of such Reds!! And to the rest, just focus on the intricacies of football. It's not just about making saves and scoring goals. A lot of football is played when none of that is happening.
I don't rate him but he was mostly pretty good yesterday. Looked strong, held it up and carried the ball well, pressed. If he scored goals like Alli then he'd be a much better player.
Just don't like his body language out on the pitch. Apart from that a great allround performance from him. The trio Rashford/Martial/Lingard looks very promising.
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