sglowrider
Thinks the caf is 'wokeish'.
Thats not how I do it. Just go to the menu - calendar - hit the square button and it simulates the correct outcome. No need to complicate things.
Thats not how I do it. Just go to the menu - calendar - hit the square button and it simulates the correct outcome. No need to complicate things.
Your analysis is right but trite. I think anyone even the biased cafers understood the need to jettison the deadwood before massive reinvestment. It’s clear that we run ourselves as a business and contrary to what blowhard Ed says, we do not have a crazy war chest burning just waiting to be unleashed. Your analysis is not mutually exclusive to the view that Lingard does not warrant a starting place no matter how insignificant the game is. He is simply not good enough and form is shot. You can say players like Mata (past it) or Gomes (wantaway) are also not good enough but they deserve more of a shot an Lingard at this juncture. Jesse has had many chances and have blown all of them this season. He needs to be sold and I don’t think his staunchest defenders can put up a forceful argument why he should be given more chances.
Agree that he has had his chances. But we are a business first and foremost. How do we extract money out of someone who is on 100k/week and been crap for a good year now?
Clearly we removed those that were easiest to get rid of and kept the Deadwood's that we had a positional need. Jesse slipped in.
Easy.
Dont even Bench him. Put him on reserves till his contract runs out. Or till he's bored and wants to play football and took wage cut in order to move. Loan him somewhere else.
And do not be tempted to play him no matter how barebone we are. He's useless anyway, better some unknown kids from academy than a guaranteed crock like him.
We are a big club. Start acting like one
Did I say he was convincing ? Just that he wasn't as bad. He's without a doubt, gotten worse as a footballer under Ole.Nah, he was never convincing before with the two other previous managers. But he would score a screamer or something to silence the critics. Just look at the hating Lingard thread. He divided opinion, but now most people have realised he is a crap footballer.
He can’t pass. He can’t dribble. He can’t shoot. He’s not very quick. He has no strength at all.
People bring up the World Cup, but forget besides against the mighty Panama the attack for England relied on set pieces and the attack was garbage. Lingard had one good game and that was against Panama. Just like he played well vs Tranmere. That is his level.
And you think someone is going to pay something for Jesse Lingard? Wake up, nobody is that stupid pal. If there is any chance that he moves this summer, it will be with us paying most of his salary, since he won't tale a pay cut.Agree that he has had his chances. But we are a business first and foremost. How do we extract money out of someone who is on 100k/week and been crap for a good year now?
Clearly we removed those that were easiest to get rid of and kept the Deadwood's that we had a positional need. Jesse slipped in.
Him staying on a 100k a week is just as detrimental to the team as someone like Alexis was still and still is. Young player will think, look at this average chap getting 100k a week while being a league 1 player at best. You think that is good to have around?Who would take him at 100k/week? Then if we are to subsidise it, based on that cost, it may land up better for him to stay. A warm body at least.
Or maybe as a former player, Ole has more empathy? He of all players know that you go through peaks and troughs. YOu need to need to fight through them. Jose didnt.
Not in the squad.
And you think someone is going to pay something for Jesse Lingard? Wake up, nobody is that stupid pal. If there is any chance that he moves this summer, it will be with us paying most of his salary, since he won't tale a pay cut.
Him staying on a 100k a week is just as detrimental to the team as someone like Alexis was still and still is. Young player will think, look at this average chap getting 100k a week while being a league 1 player at best. You think that is good to have around?
Good. Hopefully the beginning of the end.
. How many times we said that?Good. Hopefully the beginning of the end.
Because if you keep doing the same mistake again and again you are an idiotDon't understand why people always hope for that.
Why not hope our players do better and start performing than hope they keep being shit and sold.
Yeah because persisting with him for another season or two with him not scoring or assisting will definitely work out.Don't understand why people always hope for that.
Why not hope our players do better and start performing than hope they keep being shit and sold.
Not in the squad.
You are completely blinded by your hatred towards Ole. Why do you think Ole plays Lingard? Some boy lover thing going on? You have so little credibility left in this forum with your persistent skewed view. Try see a bigger picture rather than doing such knee-jerk reactions every time. I understand it in the Matchday threads but in normal convos, think bigger picture.
How do we replace Jesse who is on 100k/week? We cant keep bloating up the salary budget without removing the deadwoods. And thats not possible to replace in one window. Management isn't so black & white. You have to make your priorities, make balanced choices and then hopefully execute them well.
Its a phased approach. Clearly the remit given by Woodward is that we reduce our cost base first and foremost. Then slowly build back to what they think is the proposed Ole vision. Its not some video game where everything starts fresh with every re-boot. There are cost legacies, anticipated lower revenues coming up.
Then based on those parameters, Ole or any manager has to make his plans.
Agree that he has had his chances. But we are a business first and foremost. How do we extract money out of someone who is on 100k/week and been crap for a good year now?
Clearly we removed those that were easiest to get rid of and kept the Deadwood's that we had a positional need. Jesse slipped in.
I am not sure we can extract money from this failed investment. I forgot who gave him that 100+k contract to begin with - was it Jose? At the time plenty said Lingard didn’t really deserve that kind of money and they were proven right. He really needs to go on loan or be shipped out for his own good. He is never going to reach the level expected of him here. To answer your question, sometimes you just have to cut your losses as a club and move on. Same deal with Pogba and Sanchez. The crux of the issue is how our miss rate is so high and how come there is no accountability. On that we need to move to the Ed thread...Agree that he has had his chances. But we are a business first and foremost. How do we extract money out of someone who is on 100k/week and been crap for a good year now?
Clearly we removed those that were easiest to get rid of and kept the Deadwood's that we had a positional need. Jesse slipped in.
Yeah because persisting with him for another season or two with him not scoring or assisting will definitely work out.
Who would take him at 100k/week? Then if we are to subsidise it, based on that cost, it may land up better for him to stay. A warm body at least.
Or maybe as a former player, Ole has more empathy? He of all players know that you go through peaks and troughs. YOu need to need to fight through them. Jose didnt.
It will be difficult to offload him because the footballing world understands what an average footballer he is on such high wages. I did not say put him in the u23, just don't play him constantly and force him to seek a move away. Giving him minutes that should automatically go to someone like Gomes is also stupid and hurts the team long term.You said that its difficult to off-load him. Then you said that its not good to keep him around. If you put him in the U-23 squad would cause all sorts of problems too considering that he is an academy lad.
Sounds like this management malarkey ain't so straightforward eh?!
Or failed Cardiff manager could have just played all those games with Gomes. We will lose Gomes because of lack of minutes and he could have easily play instead of Lingard.You are completely blinded by your hatred towards Ole. Why do you think Ole plays Lingard? Some boy lover thing going on? You have so little credibility left in this forum with your persistent skewed view. Try see a bigger picture rather than doing such knee-jerk reactions every time. I understand it in the Matchday threads but in normal convos, think bigger picture.
How do we replace Jesse who is on 100k/week? We cant keep bloating up the salary budget without removing the deadwoods. And thats not possible to replace in one window. Management isn't so black & white. You have to make your priorities, make balanced choices and then hopefully execute them well.
Its a phased approach. Clearly the remit given by Woodward is that we reduce our cost base first and foremost. Then slowly build back to what they think is the proposed Ole vision. Its not some video game where everything starts fresh with every re-boot. There are cost legacies, anticipated lower revenues coming up.
Then based on those parameters, Ole or any manager has to make his plans.
Is that how you prefix Ole every time you mention him? Get a fecking life you loserOr failed Cardiff manager could have just played all those games with Gomes. We will lose Gomes because of lack of minutes and he could have easily play instead of Lingard.
Yes, it suits him perfectly. Because you know...it is true.Is that how you prefix Ole every time you mention him? Get a fecking life you loser
Lingard is hopeless, his playing time should be invested in other playersDon't understand why people always hope for that.
Why not hope our players do better and start performing than hope they keep being shit and sold.
I do think that it is his problem. He was never some big talent but he made a career with hard work, running and passion. At one point he started to think that he is some kind of star and stopped doing that extra effort. Without that he is average football playerThe kid started to believe his own hype and took the foot off the gas with his career.
I'd say he's just about done now at United, honestly can't see where or how he'd fit into a future United eleven.
He made it to the 0.08% or what ever the feck he said to justify himself settling in to this mire. Imagine your best traits as a footballer is running around avoiding actual football. It's like justifying at shite keeper by saying he waves his arms around a lot for penalties.I do think that it is his problem. He was never some big talent but he made a career with hard work, running and passion. At one point he started to think that he is some kind of star and stopped doing that extra effort. Without that he is average football player
I won’t be a coward like Lingard. I’ll say it right now I hate him. If that makes me a bad United fan so be it. Checking LiveScore and not seeing his name brought joy to me this morning.
I won’t be a coward like Lingard. I’ll say it right now I hate him. If that makes me a bad United fan so be it. Checking LiveScore and not seeing his name brought joy to me this morning.
I don't think it makes you a bad fan but why bother investing your energy into hating him? He's a poor player who should never have made the breakthrough here but I don't hate him, he's just a pointless player. I feel his time here is nearly done thankfully and he'll slip into obscurity like other overrated Caf players such as Welbeck and Cleverley.
Well it takes no energy to hate him so we’re good there. I think what compounded my hatred even worse was how we had to be delicate with our criticism of Lingard. “Academy player who gives his all” “he’s a good squad player” were common retorts. I’m glad other fans are finally seeing him for what he is and are calling him out on it.
Agreed but selling players like Lingard is a step in right direction and a step that should have been taken long time ago.Problem is people seem to think removing players make everything magically better.
Actually buying the right guys and improving what we got seem to be second in peoples mind.
Woodward think like many fans and that is why we are in this mess.
This is in general and not about Lingard. We should no doubt improve our attack more and sell Lingard unless he improves a lot.
Can't deny that Ole has a soft spot for him. He has known him from since he was a kid. That said, our failure to secure Bruno before the season, coupled with Pogba and Rashford's injury has resulted Lingard getting more minutes than expected. Ole should have at least given some minutes to Gomes but I don't think he is ready either. He would absolutely get destroyed on the pitch IMO. Its between a rock and a hard place, really.It will be difficult to offload him because the footballing world understands what an average footballer he is on such high wages. I did not say put him in the u23, just don't play him constantly and force him to seek a move away. Giving him minutes that should automatically go to someone like Gomes is also stupid and hurts the team long term.
It actually isn't that hard if you are not so fond on him like Ole is. He is stil what 27? I am sure that he will want to find team after Manchester United and if he is not playing here he would want to secure a long term contract at another club.