Oh give over. When will he mature? He is 25 and he is shit. His best quality is running, lots of running and that’s it.
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Exactly. Some people's defending of him has become desperate at this point. He just isn't good enough. Same people defending Lingard are often the ones wanting players who actually contribute to the squad like Ashley Young sold which is bizarre to say the least.
Hazard, Couthino, Ericksson, Silva.... that's the level our attacking players need to compete with, and excel against. Lindgard doesn't do this. After his Cup Final winning goal, after the goal in the League Cup, I thought he would kick on. Plays like he is still isn't sure HOW he should play. 25 years of age? Does he want to go the World Cup? Is he developing his game?
A great runner off the ball, but lacks leadership. If he isn't careful he will become like the Kagawa, Cleverley, Gibson etc crew.
A great runner off the ball, but lacks leadership. If he isn't careful he will become like the Kagawa, Cleverley, Gibson etc crew.
It hurts me that we sold depay instead of him. Reminds me on pique/evans choice
Ashley has proven his usefulness time after time here, with Lingard I fail to see what does he bring that a 19yo from the second team wouldn't. I don't have nothing against the guy, and you can't fault him for trying. Yesterday he gave his all, running up and down, asking for the ball and than you see it's just not good enough. It's not his fault at the end, he shouldn't be near a club pretending to be one of the biggest in the world.
We loaned out Pereira for example. He couldn't of done a worse job at #10 then Lingard has and is 4 years younger than Lingard. Plus Pereira looks like he has that extra special something in his locker, we have never seen that with Lingard. Jesse is a very lucky man to be playing so much for United, earning £100k a week and now playing for England which such limited talent.
If he can't look good against Huddersfield but has better games in cup finals and big games, then his mentality is clearly not right. He's our fecking Luis Garcia and that's not a compliment.
@Mr PG .. the fact he's been rated by three managers means feck all, when two of them were an utter disaster and jury is still out on the third. He gets way too many minutes IMO and the fact that he does, says alot about where Manchester United are as a football club and this isn't meant as an attack against Jesse as he seems a decent lad, but quality wise.. he shouldn't be getting regular first team minutes for a title-chasing side and that is a fact.
I agree completely mate, it makes me sick. One of the weird cases when managers have like a blind spot for certain players. Lingard will go the pathway of Cleverley, once he leaves us he will sink down the league and end up at Watford at best, maybe then some will accept the ridiculousness of him starting for Manchester United. We could have kept Pereira, but it seems he wanted the loan against club wishes which makes me think Jose will hold against him, and that will be that for him, unfortunately.
Well it seems you do have a preference for Lingard. You blame Martial for being crap (he was), and don't give Martial a leeway for not hiding like you did for Lingard. Did Martial not try to dribble at players and try to create? He did. He failed which is why he had a poor performance. Now you back up Lingard who was also really bad, but excuse him for trying.
You even slated Martial for not making runs yet I distinctly remember Martial making a great one, but Lingard messed up the final pass. It's obvious you have a preference for Lingard.
People aren't giving the harsh criticism of Lingard simply because of one game. Other players like Martial or Rashford will get more patience from fans because they are young with potential, and are productive in most cases. Lingard never really has the runs of form the other two are capable of. He's a lot like Rooney was in his final 2 years with United. He's as a whole, awful for the whole match, and suddenly he pops up with a goal to escape criticism. Now that he's not getting that odd goal, he's rightly being criticized heavily.
Lingard was better. His movement was better. His application was better. Martial fan boys are fecking boring at this point. Exactly what I have been saying this whole time in regards to Martial happened against Huddersfield. Dont drag him into this.
I have no fecking preference for Lingard. I want the team to win, end of.
Lingard has found his level, he was decent against Burton but ineffective against Huddersfield.
Should never be starting for us in an important game.
Should never be starting for us in an important game.
Nobody said Martial was better yesterday. His composure was bad from the get go. Lingard was awful. I'm saying you're using the excuse that Lingard tried, yet don't use the same excuse for Martial. People that are criticizing Lingard are doing it on the back of his age, talent level, and his entire career for United. Or what, you're saying that Lingard has more potential than Martial or Rashford? That he had many great performances like those two over his career and those performances are the reason why you're confident in Lingard will turn it around?
Understand that his criticism isn't based on just his last match. People are now impatient with him because of the criteria I highlighted.
This was and is the step up season for lingard , its either step and and improve or just get sold next season. Its high time he shows something why he deserves 100 k and a united shirt.
Has scored crucial goals in the most important games so your point is mute . Solid player well rated by Fergie,LVG and Jose and better than Herrera
Yes he scored in the domestic cups against mid table teams which is his level. Never said he was a bad player; definitely a player that can contribute off the bench.
When i say important games i mean the PL and CL, since that is what is important for us going forward.
Lingard can't do the business at the highest level, not a slight against him because he works his socks off.
Herrera has been awful this season, but I don't think Lingard has had a season as good as Herrera's last season. So far in his time at United he hasn't been better than Herrera.
No, he just wasn't as bad as people are making out. It's easy to shit on him because it's Lingard. He was trying the difficult things.
He's absolute dross. If we'd signed a foreign player with the exact same skill set from another league, no one would want him; he'd be another Lindelof. But because he's a local lad his lack of talent is actually defended.
Depay was a colossal waste of space, and had a couple of decent games in Europe. Lingard has at least scored some important goals, and is a lot more reliable than Depay is, despite having less ability. Although in fairness, Depay's "trick" was turning inside, which only a couple of teams fell for here.
Nowhere near a Pique-Evans scenario. And even mentioning that ignores Pique had Ferdinand/Vidic to break up, and was being courted by Barcelona!
Not sure why people insist on having a go at Lingard.
He's barely starting a game for us, and is probably the level a squad player should be.
Who do all the other top teams bring in when their main wide players are out? Probably only City can really say they have depth.
He's barely starting a game for us, and is probably the level a squad player should be.
Who do all the other top teams bring in when their main wide players are out? Probably only City can really say they have depth.
Mainly because he is crap in virtually every game he plays and looks out of his depth at the club. Lingard wouldn't get a game at any other top side if you're trying to say that. Burnley is about his level.
Herrera is overrated by alot of our fans and is having a poor season but is streets ahead of Lingard. Strange comparison though.
Rated by Sir Alex? He never played him or made any indication that he would.
It's laughable that Lingard might actually go to a World Cup in the summer.
The difficult things? Like trying to dribble or pass a through ball? Those difficult things? Let me break it to you pal, that's his job as an attacker. The side way passes, running around and one-two in the middle of the pitch anyone with two legs can do it. And you are using Martial to defend Lingards's poor performance. Martial was bad and on a yellow, that's why he was taken off, Lingard was awful but Jose could change as much as two of them after an injury.
I have been of the opinion that Lingard is better centrally than he is on the right wing. He played behind Lukaku yesterday but was still pretty anonymous and had no impact of the game.
Now i still think he's more of a no10 than he is a winger, but yesterdays performance showed that he is just a painfully average footballer who really shouldn't be starting games for Man Utd regardless of where he plays. Whenever he starts in one of the 3 attacking positions behind the striker it severely blunts the attack. When it's coupled with Mata on the right it leads to the type of team performance we witnessed yesterday. Total creativity vacuum.
He should be a high energy sub brought on to give others a rest and see out games when we are already winning, nothing more. This really should be his last season at the club, he's almost 25. Might be the right time for him to move on in the summer, somewhere he can nail down a first team place and play regularly.
Now i still think he's more of a no10 than he is a winger, but yesterdays performance showed that he is just a painfully average footballer who really shouldn't be starting games for Man Utd regardless of where he plays. Whenever he starts in one of the 3 attacking positions behind the striker it severely blunts the attack. When it's coupled with Mata on the right it leads to the type of team performance we witnessed yesterday. Total creativity vacuum.
He should be a high energy sub brought on to give others a rest and see out games when we are already winning, nothing more. This really should be his last season at the club, he's almost 25. Might be the right time for him to move on in the summer, somewhere he can nail down a first team place and play regularly.
Yes, he was trying to be direct. He was making runs, trying the more difficult pass. Meanwhile Martial sat there and waited for the ball to feet so he could cut in like always. We had more chance winning with Lingard on the pitch than Martial. All this over the top criticism for Lingard is uncalled for. Not everything came off but he fecking tried to really take the game to Huddersfield. Not once did he hide out there. We didn't lose because of him, people need to chill out. I feel the need to defend him because he certainly was not the as bad as some of the others. He was NOT the problem. He gets so much shit.
I love seeing English players make it at United. Unfortunately this lad never was and never will be good enough to play for a team that has title winning aspirations.
I have no idea why you keep repeating this. It's dry when it rains, it's dry when it rains, it's dry when it rains. Repeating it doesn't make it true.
But yes, you're right about one thing, Lingard wasn't the problem.
He's more than good enough as for a squad player role.
It is actually a very good point you make. This whole notion, ohh look he has been selected by three managers so he must be good, looks so stupid considering we have finished 7th,5th,4th and 6th. Maybe the players are not actually good enough and have been fooling us.
there are so many things i hate from him but what i hate the most from is how soft he is , just 1 simple push needed to made him fall on his arse, lost every physical duel , without forcing enemy to commit foul..
so everything he does is practically useless since people can just shrugged him off the ball all the time , he isn't that fast either to outrun people completely
have no vision to put decent through pass , can't dribble player , can't cross, have no trickery so all he does it run straight to enemy and got beaten physically
only few odd goals to justify his 100k p/w salary
at least player like shaw has shown some potential before, with him i never see any
so everything he does is practically useless since people can just shrugged him off the ball all the time , he isn't that fast either to outrun people completely
have no vision to put decent through pass , can't dribble player , can't cross, have no trickery so all he does it run straight to enemy and got beaten physically
only few odd goals to justify his 100k p/w salary
at least player like shaw has shown some potential before, with him i never see any
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I don't get it. He wasn't brilliant but he was still probably our best attacker until Rashford came on. Not saying much but, tell me, what did Mkhitaryan do? Lingard is a bit rubbish but at least he actually shows up. Don't get me wrong, the majority of the blame has to be with Mourinho for his shocking tactics 3rd away game on the trot. I think Martial deserved a shot 2nd half in a formation where he wasn't 50m from Lukaku at all times. But you also have to factor in the mental weakness of players like Mkhi, Mata and to a lesser extent Martial. Rashford and Zlatan are our only really mentally strong forwards but Lukaku and Lingard at least don't hide.
He's in the team for the same reason Ashley Young is. He does what he is told and he will always give everything. When the team is playing well neither are good enough but when we need to grind out results these guys will chase every ball. A bit like Fellaini too really. They all have their place in the squad and right now we need a bit of graft.
Ashley Young contributes to the team and 7/10 times he has a good game. Lingard rarely has a good game and contributes very little aside from his famous runs off the ball which often result in zero.
Martial was set there and waited for the ball while Lingard was trying to be direct? First of all, Lingard played the number 10 role, in which one of his duties is to connect the midfield and attack, he should be asking the ball and feeding the attackers one of which is Martial. Martial did his part in the first half, and was obviously targeted, constantly doubled and was substituted mainly because of the booking in my opinion. By no means was Lingard better in the first half, he fecked up simple passes and was dire like usual.
We had more chances of winning with Lingard than Martial? Lingard took the game to Huddersfield?
Are you fecking serious? Nothing came off, we had our first shot on target in the 75th minute, he tried and that was it, nowhere good enough. We didn't lose because of him, but we didn't score partly because he was dire in attack. I will argue he was in the three worst players that played the whole game , in fact only Lindelof was worse in my opinion.
Nobody should fault his effort, it's just he is not good enough. And it's understatement to Fellaini to be put in the same bracket with Lingard, Fellaini has his uses, as he showed when deputizing for Pogba, bottom of it, Fellaini is a much better midfield/attacker than Lingard is in any position.
Lingard Blind Herrera all these players are average players who won’t be regulars in a title winning team.
Mata on the other hand could be but not as a wide forward as his game is limited by his lack of pace.
We also need a left back who gives us a threat going forward. Young is our best and that shows you our real need.
Mata on the other hand could be but not as a wide forward as his game is limited by his lack of pace.
We also need a left back who gives us a threat going forward. Young is our best and that shows you our real need.
He has not improved in the last years. He's average at best and should never start a game for us. His stats over the years are shockingly poor and he just doesnt add quality to our team.
Don't agree.
I don't think he's any worse than squad players like Iwobi or the like at other clubs
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