Oh I agree with that, wingers (in the truest sense of the word) are nearly a thing of the past and it's more wide forwards and advanced playmakers these days. As a personal preference, I like our wide players to have power and pace, like Bale or Martial (although I would prefer if he played up top in the long run). Depay last night (that type of performance) is the exact type of winger that I would love at our club and I'm hoping that he is going to build on that performance. The likes of KDB etc are all better suited to number 10 roles but I feel players like him, are far more adaptable at playing out wide than Lingard. Lingard just offers so little out there and when we picked up the tempo last night, he constantly slowed things down when he got the ball and picked the wrong option. I would like to see him get a chance as a number 10 to see how he would fare.
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Oh I agree with that, wingers (in the truest sense of the word) are nearly a thing of the past and it's more wide forwards and advanced playmakers these days. As a personal preference, I like our wide players to have power and pace, like Bale or Martial (although I would prefer if he played up top in the long run). Depay last night (that type of performance) is the exact type of winger that I would love at our club and I'm hoping that he is going to build on that performance. The likes of KDB etc are all better suited to number 10 roles but I feel players like him, are far more adaptable at playing out wide than Lingard. Lingard just offers so little out there and when we picked up the tempo last night, he constantly slowed things down when he got the ball and picked the wrong option. I would like to see him get a chance as a number 10 to see how he would fare.
3 lung park wasn't used game in game out either. Lingard has been tbf.
Lingard has played due to injuries and players being woefully out of form.
That's an incredible disservice to Park who was actually a very good and consistent player for us.
Actually, to be fair, Lingard's consistent too, he's just consistently shite.
What's worse is he's unfathomably playing game after game after game whereas the far, far more talented (and younger) Pereira is only allowed on when we're a few goals up.
LvG logic, innit.
Pereira is not a winger and when he does play wide, it's from the left.
I'm not sure why people are mentioning him when it's obvious that Mata is his competition.
Lingard is much better suited to the left or through the middle between the lines. Unfortunately for him, both Martial and Memphis are better from the left too.
I'm not sure why people are mentioning him when it's obvious that Mata is his competition.
Lingard is much better suited to the left or through the middle between the lines. Unfortunately for him, both Martial and Memphis are better from the left too.
The problem is, LVG has him playing on the right wing because of his pace, but he is far from a fast player. His pace is very average, and he cannot beat his man. If we want pace on the wing, I would welcome Valencia back. He provides width, and will get us more corners than Lingard, which seems to be his greatest contribution except for goals. Lingard' short range passing is good, but as is Valencia's.
It's not a disservice to Park in the least. It was a compliment to him and an optimistic outlook on what Lingard can offer. They play the game in a similar fashion and have similar shortcomings (pace, skill, passing range) but find a way to be somewhat effective offensively.
Comparing someone as crap as Lingard to someone who was as good as Park is a massive disservice to Park. There's no other way about it.
Park was also a much better footballer than Lingard. You can't pick three shortcomings that they both share and then say they're basically the same. Park was a better passer, dribbler, defender, and much, much harder to dispossess. Although to be fair I reckon a dog would be more difficult to dispossess than Lingard.
The only thing Lingard seems to have in his locker that Park doesn't is the rare really good goal, but most of his performances aside from those goals are absolute dogshit. I genuinely can't think of a single game where he's managed to beat his man? Or not being easily out-muscled and dispossessed.
Park offered one thing above all else, consistently good, reliable performances. Usually at least a 7/10 with the odd gem here and there too. Lingard for the most part has been absolutely shite for the majority of games, there's nothing consistent about him.
It's a terrible comparison.
This post is way OTT and you're overrating Lingard something terrible here.
I see what you did there.
No he is the best available RW. Mata,Memphis,martial cannot play there even to the standard of lingard.
Valencia and young cannot play there because they are not forwards.
Lingard for all his weaknesses can put the ball in the net and spread the back line - something with mata we could not do.
LVG knows lingard isn't a long term RW as he is always adamant on a left footed forward cutting in. Him playing there is already helping our forwards find spaces inbetween a spreaded back line & should benefit him experience wise as a back up winger/forward for LW/RW/CAM.
Just maybe when the flair player position are filled - his role as a hard worker might be more apparent & maybe he might start the big games when we need a bit more work ethic down the middle.
What? Yes, they can. In fact, for all of Mata's fault and the criticism he's come in for, I'd say he's delivered just as much, if not more than Lingard has from the right-wing position this season when he's been playing there.
You do realise that Valencia and Young were bought to play in that position, right? Bizarre thing to say. Also Martial and Depay can easily play there too. He is playing because of our injury list and LvG seems to like him. He isn't a winger, just as much as Mata isn't a winger. I see his best position as a number 10 or if he is going to play on the wing, he should stick to being an advanced playmaker (of sorts) that gets into good positions in the box. He was absolutely terrible last night and despite some nice goals, he's been very underwhelming. I don't mind him but we need far better. His inability to beat a man along with his ability to completely slow down any tempo, mean he isn't really a feasible option as a right winger, going forward for the club.
Some will bash other players just to stick up for academy products, I have touched on it in the Depay thread today. It really grinds my gears.
True to an extent. I mean, I don't think Lingard is completely awful, but I do think that if he was a random youngish signing we'd made a season or two that there'd probably be a lot more people writing him off as being average. He's been okay out on the wing occasionally this season, but he's not skillful/talented enough to play there, and his finishing is worryingly suspect at times and can be far from dependable. He's hardly been our best right-winger this season, unless we're judging it on the barometer of him being the only one to not really play anywhere else regularly.
Yup, he isn't awful by any means, I would say underwhelming and limited would be far more apt words to describe him. He's popped up with some decent goals but his all-round play is often quite poor and he simply doesn't do enough. He has been no better than Mata anyway, not that Mata has even been good himself.
I do find there is a tendency on here from some posters to exonerate a-lot of academy players of any wrongdoing whilst they then absolutely berate the likes of Depay, who has been no worse, in truth. Look through this thread for example; I mean how many times has Depay been slagged off in here, all to defend Lingard. It's kind of strange, as bar a-few posters, there isn't anyone in here saying he's the worst player on the planet, just that we need better, which is pretty fair really.
Not only is mata better in the centre, mata on the right cannot stay wide . He always has to cut in & him having less pace makes him more predictable than lingard on the right.
How am I bashing mata if he is better in the centre than the right
. Some people will bash youth players because they are thirsty glory hunters.Have a look at giggs last day speech after Moyes left to hear what United is really about.
Wow. You genuinely think Valencia & Young are the same type of wingers as Martial, Memphis & lingard.
Valencia & young would struggle to put the ball in to an empty net & they have looked more important to the team than ever before by playing in defence AKA our crosses.
Our wingers are forwards, our fullbacks are crosses. Every game has been the same. CBJ,Shaw,Riley,Damian, Varela, Valencia & Young cross 3 X more than Memphis & martial.
Look at the game yesterday and see that for yourself.
What Valencia & Young were bought to do is different to what they are good at now.
Thats all well and good saying 'if' but the fact is that he isn't, he's a kid that we've paid no money for and thats on a relative pittance and has spent most of the season, last night aside, outperforming the big money signings up front, Martial aside. I think its obvious why people are showing him a bit more patience, not only because he's not someone we have any real high expectations for, but because, unlike players like Memphis we're watching his early formative years here, rather than him having them at another club and then being signed by us.
I've got a lot of time for Lingard, had he been in the team since the start of the season he'd be on course for a 10 goal season, all of this in a team where people are far more willing to make excuses for others piss poor performance. He's probably been our best attacking player over the course of the last few months, and has got virtually no credit.
Is he the finished article? No. Has he got time on his side? No. Does he look good enough to be a first teamer? Probably not. But I think he's more than capable of being useful here, and I think its a much better policy supplementing our first team squad with handy, hard working, technical players like Lingard than buying them in. To put it in perspective, he's now scored more goals this season than Ashley Young managed in anything other than his first season here, and at his current rate will be within 0-1 goals of Ashley Young's best ever tally in a United shirt after his 33rd game this season, the same number of games Young played that season. All of those in an attack thats utter shite.
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Never said that.
Good on you. Perspective is a hard thing to understand.
he cant beat a man so he must be shit.
Then the fact they were bought for wingers for another manager does not mean they are wingers for van gaal.
Valencia & young would be used as fullbacks for both Bayer n & Barca because their wingers are forwards..just like ours.
Lingard has been more of a forward than anyone apart from mata who cannot stretch the back line.
So Young didn't play out on the wing for us last season? Even during our good run of form? I'm merely saying that you're talking shite saying that the players you mentioned can't play there but Lingard somehow can. As I stated, Lingard looks no more a winger than Mata does. But as you were.....
He sums up this current team I think. Mostly average, flashes of excitement but not really good enough. A right winger should be one of the first things on our check list this summer.
Huh? A primary job as a winger is to be able to beat your opposing full back and be able to get a cross or creative pass in. So the fact he cannot actually do this makes him pretty shit yeah, when you put it like that.
How does Mahrez sound to you?
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everything is black and white i see.....lets just buy Downing and put Valencia back on the wing. They will beat a man all day long and put up cross after cross and we would have our wings sorted.
Jesse cant dribble so lets just ignore that he has the best off the ball movement in the club, lets ignore the fact that he works his ass of every time he is on the pitch(unlike some), lets ignore that he is a great team player who combines well with others and is always available for the pass, lets ignore that he offers a good end product in a team that creates the same amount of chances as fecking Sunderland. But hey, he isnt dribbling so he must be shit, as you know dribbling is what gets fans of their sit.
You can't ignore things that aren't true, though.
You can fool yourself into thinking things are true that are not, however.
People who are arguing that he's a poor winger are basically missing the point, and seemingly followers of the Moyesian school of football. He isn't a winger, he's a forward, which is illustrated by the amount of goals he scores per 90 minutes played in the league (Squwaka).
0.43 - Lingard
0.35 - Martial
0.33 - Rooney
0.18 - Mata
0.17 - Fellaini - Depay - Herrera
Lingard is in the team because he's more direct than someone like Valencia, who like a robot tries to get to the byline and put in aimless crosses over and over. He's also more direct than a player like Mata who is far too static when he plays on the wing and offers very little goal threat, illustrated by his last PL goal being scored 3 and a half months ago.
I'm not saying he's a regular starter for the club, but the criticism he gets from some is silly considering how much worse some players are performing relative to their standing in the game. It's almost as if people think that dropping Lingard would magically improve Rooney and Mata's form.
The two worst attacking displays I have seen in the league this season were away to Crystal Palace and home to Norwich, Lingard played in neither game, Rooney and Mata played in both.
http://www.skysports.com/football/man-utd-vs-norwich/341350
Maybe we should have chucked on another winger!
0.43 - Lingard
0.35 - Martial
0.33 - Rooney
0.18 - Mata
0.17 - Fellaini - Depay - Herrera
Lingard is in the team because he's more direct than someone like Valencia, who like a robot tries to get to the byline and put in aimless crosses over and over. He's also more direct than a player like Mata who is far too static when he plays on the wing and offers very little goal threat, illustrated by his last PL goal being scored 3 and a half months ago.
I'm not saying he's a regular starter for the club, but the criticism he gets from some is silly considering how much worse some players are performing relative to their standing in the game. It's almost as if people think that dropping Lingard would magically improve Rooney and Mata's form.
The two worst attacking displays I have seen in the league this season were away to Crystal Palace and home to Norwich, Lingard played in neither game, Rooney and Mata played in both.
http://www.skysports.com/football/man-utd-vs-norwich/341350
Maybe we should have chucked on another winger!
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Feck off Sherlock.
Reported. Welcome to the mains.
I've been in the mains well over a year and I don't think calling someone Sherlock is insulting, unless you have an immense dislike of Benedict Cumberbatch? T'was obviously a jest anyway, dear boy.
Silly of me to have missed that given the obvious quality of your posts.
Your words cut deep.
Good post
He'll cost a ton and for all we know this is a career season, but he certainly can dribble. 25 years old and 12G+8A in 21 starts is pretty damn special for a Prem winger. I'd be delighted if we signed him.
Memphis-Martial-Mahrez certainly is an impressive amount of dribbling ability in a front 3. We could really get at teams if we move the ball well enough to give them chances to run at their markers.
Lingard, Januzaj, Pereira competing to be backup wingers and Wilson, Keane and Rashford competing to be the backup strikers and you have a nice setup. Maybe Rooney stays for another year or an experienced striker who can score off the bench can be signed. Why did we sell Chicharito again?
He is not good enough to be a regular starter long-term but IMO certainly good enough to be a squad player or starter in FA Cup/League Cup/games against poor PL teams. I think Mata and Valencia are both awful as wingers. Mata simply cannot cover ground fast enough while Valencia is fast but his final product is nonexistent. Lingard is far from great or even very good but I think his combined abilities offer more than either of them have in that position. We should also keep in mind that Lingard saw very little of the first team before this season and he was pretty much throw in at the deep end, so allowances should be made for that. Hopefully, though, we do get an established, top-level winger in the summer.
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