People are being overly harsh, but the problem is that if he wants to succeed here then he's going to have to start impressing when we're not playing particularly well and he's going to have to stand out. Not too bad overall, but he still needs to be doing more.
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- Goals
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- Assists
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People are being overly harsh, but the problem is that if he wants to succeed here then he's going to have to start impressing when we're not playing particularly well and he's going to have to stand out. Not too bad overall, but he still needs to be doing more.
Someone like Martial, who was equally quiet in the second half? I think it's harsh to have a go at a player who got himself in the right positions for our best opportunities.
His finishing is simply not good enough at this level.
Martial had a bit of a crap game, but he's consistently put in far better performance for us than Lingard since he's arrived here, and looks like a considerably better prospect. And I say that as someone who thought Lingard was probably our best attacking threat in the first half.
So far he's crumbled under the pressure at times.
Movement superb. Finishing disappointing.
I would persist with Lingard for a while and hope he can find his scoring touch.
I would persist with Lingard for a while and hope he can find his scoring touch.
Jesse's a good lad - he has good movement and a decent touch. He's still learning and is only going to improve.
BUT
Until he sorts out his finishing, I cannot consider him a United-standard player.
BUT
Until he sorts out his finishing, I cannot consider him a United-standard player.
these people here
how the view of people is influenced by the end of the game and result, he was our best player today with Blind, still comments like hes not united quality and so on, fecking hell and rooney finishes the game shambles caftards, go to bed, have some sleepit almost looked like other players didnt want to use lingard in the second half nd once fellaini cme on it was game over to football
So what?Lingard is a late developer,has less top flight experience than Memphis or Martial.People need to stop judging players by age.Players develop at different rate.If Martial put in any sort of performance like Lingard tonight he would be praised.And it comes to someone who believe Martial will be the future world beater.
If the header went in for example this place would be exploded.Knee-jerk reactions as its best.
Yeah, his finishing is disappointing. It's not mark of a pussy, it's mark of a player who isn't good at finishing.
He is easily our best attacking player since he started playing, so it's unreasonable to call him pussy when he is stepping up at everything apart from finishing even though he just started playing for first team.
Looked good in the first half but faded in the second. Shame about the miss but once again proved to be our most threatening attacker.
The lad is still settling in and it is way too early to be definitive with any judgements. If we are to base things on the last few games, if Lingard isn't "United quality" then no one in our attacking unit is because he has consistently outperformed them all IMO.
The lad is still settling in and it is way too early to be definitive with any judgements. If we are to base things on the last few games, if Lingard isn't "United quality" then no one in our attacking unit is because he has consistently outperformed them all IMO.
I think his performances are the most positive thing in the last few weeks. Okay he missed a chance today but he's developing nicely, he gets himself in some really dangerous positions. Once they start going in he's gonna score a fair few.
Stats:
4 shots.
1 on target.
2 off target.
1 blocked.
34/39 passes.
5 failed passes were mid-long range.
87.2% pass completion.
0/1 crosses.
1/3 take ons.
8 ball recoveries.
1/3 tackles.
1 interception.
1 clearance.
4 shots.
1 on target.
2 off target.
1 blocked.
34/39 passes.
5 failed passes were mid-long range.
87.2% pass completion.
0/1 crosses.
1/3 take ons.
8 ball recoveries.
1/3 tackles.
1 interception.
1 clearance.
Hang on, Lingard has made 6 starts. I just checked out MOTM threads, and he's come (in order) 7th, 2nd, 2nd, 1st, 6th, 4th. I'd say he's been pretty consistently good for somebody so early in his career - and he's done as much as Martial recently.
I agree but then I remember that what we all used to say about Welbeck, it will obviously take time but if he takes too long he will be more Welbeck than Muller.
He's nearly 23! Martial's about three years younger than him. Granted, some players can occasionally be late bloomers, but if he doesn't really start to deliver in the next year or so then I'd be surprised if he does anything significant. Again, I like him, but in a game like tonight it was disappointing to see him start so brightly but soon fade away when the rest of the side was playing poorly.
He'll get slaughtered for that miss but is one of very few players who did himself justice.
Don't know how you can go into the Memphis thread and he's getting torn apart and it's completely different in this one. Thought Lingard was pretty awful tonight and blew the best chance of the game too.
He's always been a good player, and highly regarded but just wasn't up to scratch physically. Now he's still a weak player, no doubt, but he can hold his own and I think if we give him time he'll develop into a squad player.
Age is very much only part of the story though, experience is a big thing. His career has been held back enough that he's effectively in the position of a 21 year-old at most. And contrary to what all the impatient folk in here think, plenty of good players don't step up until that age. But more to the point, he has "really started to deliver" in the few games he's had. Your desire for him to outshine everybody else in the team in every match is just a bit extreme... I'm not claiming he's Messi.
You must be reading a different thread. Certainly go back a page or two and you'll find all the Lingard hating you want.
He may be in the position of a 21-year old...but that doesn't prevent from the fact that he's nearly 23. Again, plenty of players do start to develop at that age, but the vast majority of top players are already very good by the age of 23 and look like top class players.
Might have exaggerated a bit with the outshining everyone else part admittedly, but my main point still stands: he was very good in the first half, but sunk into anonymity in the second. Which is disappointing when the second half was when we required him to step up.
One of our better players but he needs to improve his finishing, a bad miss against Watford and yet another one tonight. Martial was also wasteful and Rooney and Depay failed to get into scoring positions.
Yeah fair enough. The Memphis thread is nonsense though. Don't understand singling out the younger players when the experienced ones were among the worst on the pitch.
He got into some good positions but his finishing was poor. I thought he was our best attacker tonight, although admittedly that's not high praise.
Ineffetive ..... again
I like him like most of us, but will never be a leading player for us. Just doesn't have the clinical sharpness required for us.
People will have a moan because he's a academy product, but if he's good enough to start for United then people's expectations of the club have truely dropped.
He's a mid table player at best.
He's a mid table player at best.
Played alright but should have scored tonight
Really???? so we're playing someone who isn't a squad player yet ..... but who might (despite being 23 in 2 weeks) develop into one?????
Agreed .... I think he'll eventually find a home, and make a reasonable living in the championship.
Standards have been fairly low for a while now. People are too satisfied with 'decent' and 'tried stuff'.
Muelensteen got valuable lesson today on player judgement. Just give him at least full season in United before hailing him English Anders Iniesta and as for Jesse he's doing not so bad under big football pressure.
Him starting for United says more about our quality than his, unfortunately.
His all round play was good tonight but he must improve his finishing. I see a few calling him a mid table player but if he is in fact a mid table player then that doesn't bode well for the rest of the team really does it when he's the only one trying out there.
Hate the fact that he will get slated because of the miss. But I was encouraged by his performance even today. If he manages to keep up with this level, and simultaneously improve on the final product (his luck is bound to turn around sometime), we might have a hell of player on our hands.
Just get used to it.With a very young forward line (plus the effy tactics) it will be frustrating to watch most of the time and people will show their impatience here.
Played well overall, just needs to work on his finishing. Worried we will burn him out like we did with januzaj, memphis and are doing with martial.
Some are just waiting for any opportunity to write him off.
Russell Beardsmore ..... Chris Eagles ...... Jesse Lingard ...... seen it before
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