He's had a shocker!
I'd like to add the name of Kompany to the list of CB's that are better.Jerome Boateng to Barcelona?
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He's had a shocker!
I'd like to add the name of Kompany to the list of CB's that are better.Weird bump. 
Over the last two years what competitions do you think Kompany outperformed Boateng in?He's had a shocker!
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Of the current lot of central defenders, I think only Godin, Thiago and Pepe are conclusively better than Boateng. Maybe Ramos too, but it's only marginal between the two.
I don't watch PSG but apparently this season he is not good according to PSG's fans and last season he was average.
For me Boateng is the best, with Godin.
I think on a per match basis Thiago's been PSG's best player after Ibrahimovic and Lucas Moura. A lot of the (relative by his standard) struggles were fitness related - made just 2 league appearances and 1 European appearance before November. Basically he just he missed out on a lot of playing time evidenced by only 3 European and 10 League appearances for the season. Since his return, he's given some very good performances despite of frequent changes in his central defensive partner between Luiz and Marquinhos.
I'll trust you, like i said i haven't watched PSG for months, so i only know what i heard from PSG supporters. They think that the two Thiagos aren't good at the moment.
But like you said, they both struggled with injuries in the last years.
Maybe it's just me, but isn't Ramos the better CB?
No, Pepe is consistently saving Ramos's ass.
Since Ancelotti took over, Pepe has been Madrid's best defender and has been consistently world class.
I guess it's relative to be honest mate. When we had Rio and Vidic, some argued the former was the better defender while others preferred the latter. From what I've seen, Pepe has consistently been the better defender of the two, while Ramos gains more recognition because of his effectiveness on both ends of the pitch. Pepe's antics might take some sheen off his performances too. That said, the Caf's resident Madrid fans might be able to offer a more educated opinion since they observe them both more frequently that a casual watcher than me.
EDIT : Ha, @Raul Madrid right on cue just as I was mentioning Madrid fans.
Who hasn't Aguero terrorized? Last time I checked every CB has been victimized and on multiple occasions so I'm not sure that having a bad game against Aguero is reason to not like a potential buy.
Boateng is younger and was better overall since 2011. Ramos has those longer periods when he drops off quite a bit.
Sid Lowe from the Guardian stated that it was the same last season and Carlo wondered what happened to Ramos.
Then he went into top gear.
He made one mistake being tired after defending with 10 man for 60 minutes against the English champions(which he did fantastic till the last minutes).
And he made City his bitch in the first game btw with great defending against Citys high line and a wonderful goal.
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Difficult to compare their performances when week in, week out, they play in different countries. I think Kompany is overrated but I'd still rate him above Boateng.
Read about 1? yellow card this season so far? He steped up big time for sure.
So guys Im out for this year. All the best for you in 2015.
Guten Rutsch and lets hope for great football in 2015 with all the drama and action we love in this great game.
Nothing I have seen from Kompany in the recent years would tell that.
Boateng today has it all. Skill to defend - and skill to overtake the job when they mancover Alonso.
I think in terms of the CL there is night and day between the level of their performances. Kompany (just like Toure and some of his other teammates) have not got to grips at all with the competition and have been exposed regularly in it. Boateng on the other hand has performed very well in the CL in addition to a strong showing in the World Cup. His showing in the final in particular was outstanding (for me the motm) and he dealt brilliantly with Argentina's pacey attackers despite playing in a high defensive line and being exposed to Argentina's players running at him at full speed despite there being loads of space behind him. It is very difficult for defenders in such circumstances and even more so when you are up against the likes of Aguero and Messi. Boateng's performance on the night was a far cry from Kompany's performances vs Barca last February (which imo was woeful) when coming up against such players and he was playing even deeper than Boateng was so he was in a better set-up to deal with such a threat. I know I have just chosen a small sample of matches but I think they are good examples to show the difference in how both players deal with certain situations. Kompany does not deal anywhere near as well with pacey players as Boateng does. Kompany is a very good defender when on form but his form has not translated to any competition other than the Premier League and for me that is not enough to put him ahead of the likes of Boateng and others who have excelled in the league as well as other competitions (with the CL and World Cup being bigger and more difficult than the league).
Don't you think this could be more to do with the players around them rather than the individuals themselves? As you say City have badly struggled to translate their league form to European competition. There is only so much a CB can do on his own. Kompany plays alongside Demichelis at City after all. Of course Boateng is going to look good when playing for teams like Bayern and Germany who were dominant in Europe and the WC respectively. I'd wager that if Kompany and Boateng swapped teams most people would see Kompany as the superior player. I know it was a few years ago and he has developed as a player since but Boateng didn't exactly set the world alight in England when he was there.
I happen to think Kompany's actually somewhat overrated in terms of pure, defensive ability.
He's got a really eye catching style and is dominant physically + good on the ball, but he doesn't half make silly mistakes by rushing into situations.
Overall I'd say there's a dearth of top class defensive talent around - which isn't that surprising, considering the emphasis on being comfortable on the ball.
He's got a really eye catching style and is dominant physically + good on the ball, but he doesn't half make silly mistakes by rushing into situations.
Overall I'd say there's a dearth of top class defensive talent around - which isn't that surprising, considering the emphasis on being comfortable on the ball.
Perhaps although I don't see how his teammates played a role in Boatengs performances in the final. That was a great individual defensive display and if anything his teams approach would have been detrimental to him due to the amount of space the Argentina attackers were given although it must be said that Hummels was very impressive on the night too. I would cut Kompany some slack if it were not a recurring theme that every year in the CL he struggles not just against the top opposition but even against the pacey players of other teams in the group stage that would not be considered favourites to get out of the group. He has struggled against Ajax and the likes and has never put in strong performances consistently. I don't doubt for a second that he is capable of putting in a performance against one of the strong teams in the CL and also having a strong campaign throughout the whole competition if his team went far (he is definitely capable in terms of ability and talent) but as of now he is yet to do so and his team have been in the competition for 5 years now and he does not look like he has learned anything or improved at all since then. Even if his team is underperforming it is still possible for a player to perform well to a certain extent and to stand out among his teammates in certain matches and he has never really done so. He has not even being one of City's better performers and along with Toure I would say he is City's worst culprit for underperforming in the CL.
You can only really judge a player on what he is done rather than what you think he can do and like I said Kompany has had plenty of time (5 seasons) in the competition to show that he can perform at that level on a consistent basis. As for Boateng not really impressing in the Premier league, he is a different and much better player now. It would be like if Ronaldo had moved to Madrid in 2006 going into the 06/07 season and performing like he did that season for Madrid instead of United and then claiming Ronaldo never really set the Premier League alight. It would not have been due to him not having being able to but rather would have been down to his move coinciding with him maturing, developing, growing in confidence and becoming the player he was always meant to become. He was only 22 when he left England so he had plenty of improvement left to do.
Why was this thread bumped? Make a new thread or at least find one in the football forum.
Literally the worst bump I can remember, no surprise it's from him and promoting German football. Zzzzz.
As long as Boateng keeps his average performances to dead rubber games and has him in his pocket in the important ones, like the World Cup final, I think he should be forgiven for a misplaced pass.
Hummels, Varane and Laporte. He's better than the last two, but I think that they'll be better soon enough.
He also wasn't even the best CB in your team on 2013 (Dante was) and last season Ramos and Godin were easily better than him. I would also say that Hummels was better than him during their entire career bar this season.
Don't think that's true for the treble winning season. In the important games it was mostly Boateng who stood out, while Dante played the more flashy but not the better season overall. Dante started incredibly well in 2012/13 but already started to fade towards the end of the season. He tried his best to cost us the CL final while Boateng excelled for example. Since Guardiola took over it isn't a contest anymore.
There's no way Ramos had overall the better year, Ramos made plenty of mistakes in the league, was shit at the World Cup. Pepe was clearly the better defender at Real and Ramos' key contributions were goals after set pieces in the CL semifinal and final. I can't think of a single dominant defensive performance from Ramos in 2014 actually, Boateng had plenty against quality teams. Godin is a good shout, but that's difficult to compare with Atletico and Bayern/Germany having a completely different approach to the game. I sure as hell wouldn't want Godin instead of Boateng in the high defensive line Bayern and Germany play, that would be a mental decision.
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It's more the case that everyone by that time had decided
a) Boateng was shit/average from his time at City
b) So Bayern's up turn in fortune had to be all down to the new guy.
I think that Dante was excellent on 12-13 season (bar the final when he made the pen) and a lot of people were saying that he was the best CB that season. I agreed with them.
Ramos made some defensive mistakes but on the other side scored some incredibly important goals and without those goals Madrid wouldn't won the league.
Godin was excellent both on defense and attack. Scored a goal in the final (which almost won them UCL) and also one against Barca (which won the league for them). And finally, Hummels IMO was the best CB in the World Cup.
Maybe Boateng remembered that he singlefootedly destroyed Argentina´s attacks in World Cup final and figured it would be nice to have Margentina City in knockout stages as an easy victim just in case.