James Trafford - Burnley

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I don't really follow Championship but I glanced at the table and saw Trafford at Burnley has conceded only NINE goals in 31 matches. Looked a bit more at his numbers. 21 clean sheets! xGOT faced 18,13. Meaning he should have conceded 18 goals as opposed to his 9.
Quick check on Onana, Alisson, Sanchez and Raya shows that they are conceding more or less the same as what's expected. Vicario has great numbers, but smaller sample size, only 12 matches due to injury. Ederson who's been criticized this season has decent stats.

Goals prevented
Vicario 2,93
Sanchez 1,1
Raya -0,14
Alisson 0,97
Onana 0,37
Ederson 1,83
Trafford 9,35 :eek:

Anyone been following this guy with the glorious last name, and can say something about his distribution, sweeping and handling of crosses? He's 197 cm, great height.
 
The Burnley side he is playing in are incredibly defensive, it is difficult to get high quality chances against them so the xG prevented is borne out of an accumulation of smaller saves rather than a succession of outstanding ones. He has still muffed a couple you would expect a keeper of his reputation to save but has generally been much better than his debut season in the PL where he was certifiably horrible.
 
Stobzilla said:
The Burnley side he is playing in are incredibly defensive, it is difficult to get high quality chances against them so the xG prevented is borne out of an accumulation of smaller saves rather than a succession of outstanding ones. He has still muffed a couple you would expect a keeper of his reputation to save but has generally been much better than his debut season in the PL where he was certifiably horrible.
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Thanks. I see his goals prevented last season was - 7,47, awful numbers. I really should have dug deeper:)
 
He has played really well in the few games I've seen of Burnley in the Championship this season, including saving two penalties against Sunderland when he performed some perfect shithousery especially prior to the 2nd one.

He is only 22 so has a lot more time to mature as a keeper. He was awful in the Premier League last season, must say I'm amazed he is supposedly 6 ft 4" it might be his build as I thought he was smaller and looked really weak aerially last year. I'm sure he was dropped towards the end of last season as well.

It was amazing that Burnley took him from City after a year on loan in League 1 with Bolton to be their first choice in the Premiership though.
 
cj_sparky said:
He has played really well in the few games I've seen of Burnley in the Championship this season, including saving two penalties against Sunderland when he performed some perfect shithousery especially prior to the 2nd one.

He is only 22 so has a lot more time to mature as a keeper. He was awful in the Premier League last season, must say I'm amazed he is supposedly 6 ft 4" it might be his build as I thought he was smaller and looked really weak aerially last year. I'm sure he was dropped towards the end of last season as well.

It was amazing that Burnley took him from City after a year on loan in League 1 with Bolton to be their first choice in the Premiership though.
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Kompany doing his former club a favour to ensure their PSR would carry on looking rosy. He cost quite a bit if I recall correctly, many people thought it was really dodgy, and then he was crap when he played.
 
Floyd said:
I don't really follow Championship but I glanced at the table and saw Trafford at Burnley has conceded only NINE goals in 31 matches. Looked a bit more at his numbers. 21 clean sheets! xGOT faced 18,13. Meaning he should have conceded 18 goals as opposed to his 9.
Quick check on Onana, Alisson, Sanchez and Raya shows that they are conceding more or less the same as what's expected. Vicario has great numbers, but smaller sample size, only 12 matches due to injury. Ederson who's been criticized this season has decent stats.

Goals prevented
Vicario 2,93
Sanchez 1,1
Raya -0,14
Alisson 0,97
Onana 0,37
Ederson 1,83
Trafford 9,35 :eek:

Anyone been following this guy with the glorious last name, and can say something about his distribution, sweeping and handling of crosses? He's 197 cm, great height.
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Wow, for some odd reason I viewed him (and remember him as such!) as quite a small/short guy in the PL last season :lol:

Not sure why my eyes were deceiving me like that.
 
He really struggled in the Premier League last season, but very few goalkeepers are ready to play at that level at 20 years old.

Burnley have a very good chance of going up, so if he's smart he will stick with them and give himself another crack at Premier League football next season.

He looks like the standout young English keeper around at the moment so I can see him playing for the national team in the next 12 months or so.
 
MaMa given red said:
He really struggled in the Premier League last season, but very few goalkeepers are ready to play at that level at 20 years old.

Burnley have a very good chance of going up, so if he's smart he will stick with them and give himself another crack at Premier League football next season.

He looks like the standout young English keeper around at the moment so I can see him playing for the national team in the next 12 months or so.
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Cooper (although a little older) isn't too far behind him, if atall.
 
Think I’ve watched 4-5 Burnley games and they all finished 0-0, that 9-0 at Bournemouth changed Scott Parker’s life
 
He wasn't ready to go straight from league 1 to prem. Far too lightweight on set pieces and being bullied at corners.

He's currently having the experience he should've had last season so did it the wrong way round not that you'd turn down a move to prem side in which you're going to be first choice for most of the season.

From what I've seen he seems to have filled out a bit and has far more presence in those type of situations so should be better next season if Burnley come straight back up (and he'll need to be).
 
Dancfc said:
Cooper (although a little older) isn't too far behind him, if atall.
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Yep rate Cooper massively. I think he'll be in England squad for the World Cup if he's playing premier league football next year.

I watched Plymouth's final game of last season against Hull when they were 1-0 up and needing to win to survive and for the last 10 minutes he pretty much came for every single cross flung into their box and caught it everytime. Brilliant.

Going to Sheffield United to continue playing was a smart move rather than just join a prem club as 2nd/3rd choice and then lose some years of his career.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Kompany doing his former club a favour to ensure their PSR would carry on looking rosy. He cost quite a bit if I recall correctly, many people thought it was really dodgy, and then he was crap when he played.
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£15m. For a 21 year old English prospect, had just won the U-21 Euros a few weeks prior having not conceded a goal the whole tourney (including saving a pen in injury time in the final). Also had a successful loan spell in League One making the TOTS.

Hardly anything out of the ordinary.
 
FootballHQ said:
Yep rate Cooper massively. I think he'll be in England squad for the World Cup if he's playing premier league football next year.

I watched Plymouth's final game of last season against Hull when they were 1-0 up and needing to win to survive and for the last 10 minutes he pretty much came for every single cross flung into their box and caught it everytime. Brilliant.

Going to Sheffield United to continue playing was a smart move rather than just join a prem club as 2nd/3rd choice and then lose some years of his career.
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The most impressive thing about him is he's excelled at both the most crucial aspects of being a goalkeeper. He can perform and win teams games when his goal is under siege (like the example you gave above) and he's equally mentally adept at having nothing to do for most of the match and doing his work when called upon (had many matches this season where he's had anything from little to nothing to do for most of it).

Admittedly he's "only" done that at a lower level so far but it really bodes well, many keepers can only truly master one or the other.
 
DannyCAFC said:
£15m. For a 21 year old English prospect, had just won the U-21 Euros a few weeks prior having not conceded a goal the whole tourney (including saving a pen in injury time in the final). Also had a successful loan spell in League One making the TOTS.

Hardly anything out of the ordinary.
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It was absolutely out of the ordinary.
 
I happened to be at the Burnley game on Tuesday and trust me that’s one hell of a defence in front of Trafford. He didn’t make a save but Oxford had plenty of possession 30 yards from goal but everything they tried - shots, balls inside etc - were blocked. They are masters at moving the attacks sideways rather than anywhere near Trafford.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
It was absolutely out of the ordinary.
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Again - £15m for a 20 year old English GK, who fits the modern 'keeper mould with his distribution, that had already proven he was at least Championship level whilst out on loan and who had (has) the potential to be a PL goalkeeper for the next 12+ years as well as a full international player.

The fact that he is already worth possibly double that 18 months down the line is evidence of the fact it was always a decent deal for Burnley.

You either don't have a clue how to value a player, or can't look beyond your own bias and make a logical conclusion. Or perhaps both - which is it?
 
11 consecutive clean sheets now!
 
Floyd said:
11 consecutive clean sheets now!
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12. Two to equal the United record. He's already on 24 clean sheets for the season.

Looks like it's a combination of him and the tactical set-up too as he has the 2nd best PSxG in the division with +9.9.

Had a tough introduction to the PL last season but there is definite potential there.
 
SilentWitness said:
12. Two to equal the United record. He's already on 24 clean sheets for the season.

Looks like it's a combination of him and the tactical set-up too as he has the 2nd best PSxG in the division with +9.9.

Had a tough introduction to the PL last season but there is definite potential there.
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Also if they they concede 5 or left in their last 12 games they will break Chelsea’s record of 15 goals conceded in a season, which would be insane as they play 8 more matches.
 
12 clean sheets in a row. I heard a Burnley fan rave about his guy on Fivelive a few weeks back. I don't follow the Championship so don't really know much about him other than they've kept a massive amount of clean sheets this year.
 
D. Grayson said:
He was dreadful in the 23-24 season.
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He really was, but that Burnley team had a ridiculous set-up all around, so I'm not sure how much was on that, and being a young keeper thrown into a mess in the PL. Conversely, I've heard Burnley are super organised this year, so how much is he benefitting from it? I haven't seen them a single time this season so I'm incapable of saying, but I'd be weary of signing him on the basis of his PL season.
 
D. Grayson said:
He was dreadful in the 23-24 season.
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Rooney in Paris said:
He really was, but that Burnley team had a ridiculous set-up all around, so I'm not sure how much was on that, and being a young keeper thrown into a mess in the PL. Conversely, I've heard Burnley are super organised this year, so how much is he benefitting from it? I haven't seen them a single time this season so I'm incapable of saying, but I'd be weary of signing him on the basis of his PL season.
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He was great for Bolton in League One, the England Youth Championship win and has now been excellent this season in the Championship.

Arguably his only poor season so far has been in the PL but everyone was talking about how bad Burnley were and the way they played was not at all helpful for a young keeper. I don't think he would look that bad again but also I think at this time it wouldn't be a good move for him to go to United to be their starting keeper.
 
D. Grayson said:
He was dreadful in the 23-24 season.
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It was also hard to judge him based on Kompany insisting on playing out from the back despite not having players capable of doing that at PL level. Trafford was frequently exposed due to poor touches and an inability to escape the press from the players in front of him, he faced a ridiculous number of shots from loss of possession around the area and as the season wore on he inevitably lost confidence. Brutal as that season was it will have toughened him up and at this point he is a much better player for it. I doubt we get him though, he will not be cheap and unless we can get back a huge chunk of the Onana fee we will be in no position to spend big on another keeper.
 
GlasgowCeltic said:
Think I’ve watched 4-5 Burnley games and they all finished 0-0, that 9-0 at Bournemouth changed Scott Parker’s life
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I only managed to watch 1/2 a game.

Dire.

Most entertaining aspect was Sky talking Parker up as some sort of tactical genius
 
I’d love to see this. Sir Matt and Sir Alex’s squad building philosophies were that United should have the best young English talent in as many positions as possible, and signing Trafford would fit the bill. I can see him displacing Onana after three months, in which he’ll have impressed in the Carabao Cup and hopefully Europa League, and Onana will inevitably have made a few clangers.

I just hope Burnley don’t go up. That’ll make the deal much easier to broker.
 
MalaysianRed7 said:
I’d love to see this. Sir Matt and Sir Alex’s squad building philosophies were that United should have the best young English talent in as many positions as possible, and signing Trafford would fit the bill. I can see him displacing Onana after three months, in which he’ll have impressed in the Carabao Cup and hopefully Europa League, and Onana will inevitably have made a few clangers.

I just hope Burnley don’t go up. That’ll make the deal much easier to broker.
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The trouble with that philosophy nowadays is that so many of the English clubs have such wealthy owners that it's the most expensive policy to pursue (unless plenty are our own academy products).

We've seen how much it costs just for the likes of Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Mount, Sancho. And we we're priced out of a move even for Branthwaite and for a genuinely top talent like Kane.

I agree if we can get some at a reasonable price - and, like you say, Trafford might be that if Burnley fail go up - then that would be a good move. But I really don't want us paying any 'English tax' for deals anymore if we can get similar or better quality for cheaper elsewhere. We're just not in a financial position to do that at this stage.
 
Bertie Wooster said:
The trouble with that philosophy nowadays is that so many of the English clubs have such wealthy owners that it's the most expensive policy to pursue (unless plenty are our own academy products).

We've seen how much it costs just for the likes of Wan Bissaka, Maguire, Mount, Sancho. And we we're priced out of a move even for Branthwaite and for a genuinely top talent like Kane.

I agree if we can get some at a reasonable price - and, like you say, Trafford might be that if Burnley fail go up - then that would be a good move. But I really don't want us paying any 'English tax' for deals anymore if we can get similar or better quality for cheaper elsewhere. We're just not in a financial position to do that at this stage.
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English tax is rubbish.

Hojlund, Antony, Casemiro, Varane and many others show its a United tax rather than a English tax.
 
Shaw's Shank Redemption said:
English tax is rubbish.

Hojlund, Antony, Casemiro, Varane and many others show its a United tax rather than a English tax.
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Yeah, I almost added 'United Tax' on as well as they're both obviously a big issue we've suffered with in the past. The United tax is obviously something more specific to us, and something we can control more by being better negotiators over everything connected to deals (transfer fees, wages, agent fees, etc).

The English Tax isn't 'rubbish'. It's definitely a thing as well. But isn't as specific to us and isn't as much under our control (other than find alternative options). It's just common sense that when there's more money in the PL than in any other league, and it's the league with the biggest majority of wealthy owners, then trying to get key players from the clubs 'on the cheap' is going to be a lot harder than from less affluent leagues. That doesn't just relate to English players of course. Trying to get any of their key players is going to be expensive. I was focusing on the English players from those clubs as the post I responded to was about targeting them in particular.
 
Ex city. Of course we are interested, it always seems to be the case that our name is thrown in for ex city youth who break through elsewhere even before Sancho. Omar B and Wilcox will know this player inside out. If he's professional, what his actual potential is and if he suits the new more modern game model. He's a great age and obviously grew up around here. If they think he has genuine top potential I'd be for it as long as it was reasonably priced. I can genuinely see us going for this lad and Delap as predictable as that sounds. It just goes to show that really good young players get swallowed up by big clubs and don't get opportunities and then have to go to struggling teams and often look poor themselves for a while before they can grow and show their true potential. There's a lot of luck involved but the cream should nearly always rise back up to the top. That's the hope I have for our young starters here too.
 
Ali Dia said:
Ex city. Of course we are interested, it always seems to be the case that our name is thrown in for ex city youth who break through elsewhere even before Sancho. Omar B and Wilcox will know this player inside out. If he's professional, what his actual potential is and if he suits the new more modern game model. He's a great age and obviously grew up around here. If they think he has genuine top potential I'd be for it as long as it was reasonably priced. I can genuinely see us going for this lad and Delap as predictable as that sounds. It just goes to show that really good young players get swallowed up by big clubs and don't get opportunities and then have to go to struggling teams and often look poor themselves for a while before they can grow and show their true potential. There's a lot of luck involved but the cream should nearly always rise back up to the top. That's the hope I have for our young starters here too.
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He's got quite a similar back story to Dean Henderson when you look at it.

Both born and raised in Cumbria, and started off at a young age at Carlisle. Both joined either of the Manchester clubs around 13 or 14. Impressed in loan spells away from the clubs and gained a good reputation but ended up having to move away permanently to establish themselves.

Henderson has now established himself in the PL, and Trafford (5 years younger) looks to have an even higher ceiling and will surely do so either with Burnley or a move elsewhere.

I agree he looks like he'd be a good signing if affordable. But the sad thing is we're now in a financial position where it's a real possibility that we couldn't afford championship Burnley's GK and might have to look for a cheaper option elsewhere. Crazy that that's even become a possibility.
 
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