James Ducker: United prepared to listen to offers for Smalling

Wenger will still probably jump on Smalling if we put him out of the market. I get a feeling Wenger will managed to sneak into top 4 again and stay.

Keane won't really be an upgrade though.


People are underrating Keane on here because he he came from our academy and Van Gaal got rid of him for £2mil. If his name was Van Ragtensteiner and he had a full sleeve and a pony tale i think their attitude would be different. Just look at Lindelof, people are hyping him up big time when most of them have never seen him play enough to realise that he's pretty poor defensively (even in the blummin Portugese league) and lacks the qualities that would compliment Baillys style of play.

Keane would potentially (with some of Jose's coaching) be a perfect partner to Bailly. He is more of a passive positionally orientated defender whilst Bailly charges his man down when he senses danger, he is great in the air, can pick out a pass and is composed on the ball. Whilst he would probably be bought in to be 3rd choice to Rojo or another new CB i think he could become much more than that for us over time.

Yes Smalling had a good 3/4 season for us last year but it's not enough. He's been with us for like 7 years and hasn't improved at all in that time. He's scared of the ball and opposition like no United player should be, backs off from his man to the point where they find themselves in a better position than where they began, takes a weird amount of time to make a sideways pass and has nowhere near enough positional sense to fit in a zonal marking system.

Don't know how anyone can question Jose's judgement when it comes to defenders, if he want's rid of Smalling and to bring in Keane then people should be excited that we are bringing back another academy lad who get's the club through and through and is deemed by Jose to be good enough to play for us.
 
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We need numbers at cb area , and 5 of them is the right number with the injury record, Smalling is strong in the air and falls in a B+ or A category when he's on form and shielded well by the midfeild.

Don't think we should sell him. We need one more cb though as a Bailly partner.
 
No point having a back up who is a sick note. He's also regressed this season and we can't carry passengers any longer. I won't be sad to see him leave.
 
In terms of backups, Utd have the best in the league. Assume at the moment if all fit Bailly/Rojo as starting and backups in Smalling/Jones/Blind and then academy defenders and still capable of keeping a clean sheet. Any player would struggle to perform if not playing regularly so think it's rather unfair to jump on the bandwagon and start slating them.
Smalling was brilliant last season to the point many were arguing as the best in the league and when Jones was fit before December, he was on a crazy run of form and changed opinions of many here.

If Smallings happy to stay and fight for first team, he should definitely stay and Jones should be the one let go due to being injury prone and the risk of injury to others during training sessions.
 
Smalling just cannot play football well, unfortunately. He's good at clearing the ball with his legs and his head but that is as far as his ability on the ball goes. You need something a bit more than that in modern football at a top club.
 
And people are praising Rojo and Jones to the heavens and we've ended 6th with almost the same number of points from last season and currently 24 points behind the champions and 17 behind SPurs, 7 behind Livershit. How did we do when DDG was voted player of the year three seasons running? You can't take that accolade from the player

I didn't "praise Rojo and Jones to the heavens", so I don't know where thats come from. Rojo has been a better defender than Smalling. Jones has been too when he played this season. It hasn't been a good season, but Smalling is not good enough.

Having your goalkeeper voted as player of the season proves that the team ahead of him, particularly the defenders, are not cutting the mustard.

Smalling winning player of the season in a year were we played largely negative football with zero attacking mentality, when the whole team is expected to defend first, doesn't say much for him. Yes he was our best defender under van Gaal last season, but thats a whole year ago. It used to be that players were judged on their latest games / form / season. Being player of the season a year ago and then being largely shite for a whole season buys you nothing.
 
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So closer than this season then? Keane is playing for the team in 15th place with a wank defensive record it means nothing.....surprised he's not at Real also.

Lets agree to disagree. I think Smalling is twice the player Keane is and that's not saying much because I think Smalling should be a squad player. We should be looking for a new first team CB to partner Baily, Michael Keane isn't good enough.
Sorry, Keane has been a better player this season than Smalling. Being in a shite team has nothing to with it. He has been better. Whether we sign him or not being my preference is irrelevant. Smalling is not good enough for United. Argue Keane isn't good enough for United all you want in another thread, this is a Mike Smalling thread.

But you're right, we need a better CB than Keane and/or Smalling in our starting XI, but if I were to pick either Keane or Smalling as backup, I'd go for Keane.
 
Could not care less if Smalling or Jones were sold. Should have kept Evans over those two crocks and Michael Keane was always one of the most highly rated young defenders in England. Even back to his original loan at Leicester. LVG master stroke :wenger:
Club cannot keep waint for smalling and jones to come good. On your bike gents, ship has sailed. Next please.
 
I didn't "praise Rojo and Jones to the heavens", so I don't know where thats come from. Rojo has been a better defender than Smalling. Jones has been too when he played this season. It hasn't been a good season, but Smalling is not good enough.

Having your goalkeeper voted as player of the season proves that the team ahead of him, particularly the defenders, are not cutting the mustard.

Smalling winning player of the season in a year were we played largely negative football with zero attacking mentality, when the whole team is expected to defend first, doesn't say much for him. Yes he was our best defender under van Gaal last season, but thats a whole year ago. It used to be that players were judged on their latest games / form / season. Being player of the season a year ago and then being largely shite for a whole season buys you nothing.

So by your logic Herrera winning player of the year in a season where we scored less goals than LVGs uber negative team (10 less goals than LVGs first season) and where we finished 6th doesn't say much for him either does it? DDG's wins also just show how poor our team was, so these accolades mean nothing in the absence of what one would call a successful season overall
 
Could not care less if Smalling or Jones were sold. Should have kept Evans over those two crocks and Michael Keane was always one of the most highly rated young defenders in England. Even back to his original loan at Leicester. LVG master stroke :wenger:
Club cannot keep waint for smalling and jones to come good. On your bike gents, ship has sailed. Next please.

Yes because Evans wasn't a crock himself when he played for us.
 
So by your logic Herrera winning player of the year in a season where we scored less goals than LVGs uber negative team (10 less goals than LVGs first season) and where we finished 6th doesn't say much for him either does it? DDG's wins also just show how poor our team was, so these accolades mean nothing in the absence of what one would call a successful season overall
No no no, now we're talking about Herrera. WTF are you taking mate? Stay on point here. Smalling...

So in fairness I had no idea about who had won the 'accolade' of United fans most voted for best player in the season. Personally I would have thought Zlatan would have got it so there you go, surprise for me. But yes Herrera winning player of the season means feck all. He had a good season and had some very instrumental performances but Smalling...

And if you're going to try and make out that this season has in general been less attacking play than under van Goal based on number of goals scored then good luck that, you should make a thread so everyone can discuss it.
 
This is a typical transfer thread. If we hadn't been linked to signing Keane nobody would be suggesting we sign him. He's decent but not any better than smalling, jones or Rojo. It would be a pointless transfer
 
This is a typical transfer thread. If we hadn't been linked to signing Keane nobody would be suggesting we sign him. He's decent but not any better than smalling, jones or Rojo. It would be a pointless transfer

I don't know about pointless. If Jose is of the opinion that no good CB is available for a decent price then I would not mind having Keane here, provided of course that the price is right.

It is obvious that we need to strengthen the CB position, but Rojo - Bailey were looking very good together. So, I don't think we need to buy another established CB seeing that we already have a good CB pairing. Then we also have Jones and Axel.

A signing like would be perfect if we need someone good, but don't necessary want him to be always present in the starting 11. Of course, if Burnley demand a ridiculous fee then all this obviously does not make sense.
 
I don't know about pointless. If Jose is of the opinion that no good CB is available for a decent price then I would not mind having Keane here, provided of course that the price is right.

It is obvious that we need to strengthen the CB position, but Rojo - Bailey were looking very good together. So, I don't think we need to buy another established CB seeing that we already have a good CB pairing. Then we also have Jones and Axel.

A signing like would be perfect if we need someone good, but don't necessary want him to be always present in the starting 11. Of course, if Burnley demand a ridiculous fee then all this obviously does not make sense.

So you want to sell what you see as a backup defender so that we can sign another back up defender. Seems pretty pointless to me.
 
What would be an acceptable fee for Smalling? He has 2 years left on his contract. IMO, we should be able to get £18m.
 
What would be an acceptable fee for Smalling? He has 2 years left on his contract. IMO, we should be able to get £18m.

20-25m I believe. He's supposed to be an English international after all.

Still I don't trust Ogden much tbh.
 
There is no chance both Jones and Smalling are here next season so one of them has to move and it's most likely the latter seeing as Jones is a better footballer WHEN he is fit.

Smalling will be sold, no doubt about it.
 
I've always said that Smalling's poor distribution and nervousness on the ball was always going to prevent him from breaking into the top tier of defenders

The fact that he's gone backwards at this stage of his career doesn't bode well
 
Whoever starts alongside blind on Wednesday is probably staying, thats my thought on it. The majority of people who didn't start on Sunday are going to play on Wednesday and Smalling might be one of them
 
About time this good for nothing centre back is sold. Should have been sold 5 years ago. God knows how smalling has been a utd player for so long
 
Whoever starts alongside blind on Wednesday is probably staying, thats my thought on it. The majority of people who didn't start on Sunday are going to play on Wednesday and Smalling might be one of them
This might not be entirely true as we are down to the bare bones. If all were fit and able to play, then I would have put money on Bailly and Rojo starting.
 
20-25m I believe. He's supposed to be an English international after all.

Still I don't trust Ogden much tbh.
Ive said it before I cant see any team paying anywhere near that for Smalling or Jones. Both injury prone. Never play more than half a season, and both already getting worse. Both are no longer kids so any learning the game and reaching their ceiling in technique etc has already been hit. I think a bid of £8 million for either one and I would snap the hand off if I was Mourinho.
 
Ive said it before I cant see any team paying anywhere near that for Smalling or Jones. Both injury prone. Never play more than half a season, and both already getting worse. Both are no longer kids so any learning the game and reaching their ceiling in technique etc has already been hit. I think a bid of £8 million for either one and I would snap the hand off if I was Mourinho.

There are many delusional clubs in England that will pay about 20m for him, for example Arsenal, so don't worry about the price.
 
Ive said it before I cant see any team paying anywhere near that for Smalling or Jones. Both injury prone. Never play more than half a season, and both already getting worse. Both are no longer kids so any learning the game and reaching their ceiling in technique etc has already been hit. I think a bid of £8 million for either one and I would snap the hand off if I was Mourinho.
i'd be happy if those two clowns are shipped out on a buy one get one free basis.
 
I do feel that even though we are a 6th place team, many mufc fans think that if we cling onto 6th place standard players, we will finish higher.
The truth is that many of our players are not up to the required standard; and/or do not possess the winning mentality.
If we cling onto our weaker players, how do any of you expect us to win the league or get a top 3 finish?

Put simply, Rojo and Baily are the only 2 CBs we have, who I believe would be in a title winning team.
Our weak links need to be replaced and although our attack is weak (MMML), our defence also has multiple weak links (Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Blind).
It is shocking that so many of our roster are average/poor and this may be the reason why Jose/LVG forced our players to play defensively, when Ibra was not in the team.
 
I am 100% for selling him but I hope the part in the article which says Jones has been given another chance is false. Jones is literally always injured so we better sell him and keep Smalling as a 5th choice CB. Ideally we sell both as the are both clueless in positioning.
 
Lets give him to Everton. They have cash, or at least they definately will after selling Lukaku to Chelsea.
 
I do feel that even though we are a 6th place team, many mufc fans think that if we cling onto 6th place standard players, we will finish higher.
The truth is that many of our players are not up to the required standard; and/or do not possess the winning mentality.
If we cling onto our weaker players, how do any of you expect us to win the league or get a top 3 finish?

Put simply, Rojo and Baily are the only 2 CBs we have, who I believe would be in a title winning team.
Our weak links need to be replaced and although our attack is weak (MMML), our defence also has multiple weak links (Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Blind).
It is shocking that so many of our roster are average/poor and this may be the reason why Jose/LVG forced our players to play defensively, when Ibra was not in the team.

Strangely enough Jones and Smalling have actually won PL titles.
 
There are many delusional clubs in England that will pay about 20m for him, for example Arsenal, so don't worry about the price.

He'd probably do well at Arsenal alongside Koscielny. Smalling was at his best playing a high line under LVG - he has incredible pace for a centre back and is phenomenal defending one on one situations, and Koscielny would be able to do a lot of the ball playing for him. With his aerial dominance too, he'd compliment Koscielny well.

He can't play in Mourinho's deeper system, as he's caught out too frequently in terms of positioning.
 
The "Smalling best defender in the league" stuff people had last season completely over the top. The criticism he is getting now even more over the top.
 
I do feel that even though we are a 6th place team, many mufc fans think that if we cling onto 6th place standard players, we will finish higher.
The truth is that many of our players are not up to the required standard; and/or do not possess the winning mentality.
If we cling onto our weaker players, how do any of you expect us to win the league or get a top 3 finish?

Put simply, Rojo and Baily are the only 2 CBs we have, who I believe would be in a title winning team.
Our weak links need to be replaced and although our attack is weak (MMML), our defence also has multiple weak links (Smalling, Jones, Shaw, Blind).
It is shocking that so many of our roster are average/poor and this may be the reason why Jose/LVG forced our players to play defensively, when Ibra was not in the team.

If our defense is midtable standard I would like to know what you think of our attackers