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Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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If it’s really true that we would have to pay the full 120m upfront, then it’s not happening, regardless of who we sell. But Dortmund would surely accept a well-structured deal, they’d be crazy not to.
Romano is not suggesting Dortmund are asking for 120m up front. A lot of his tweet is lost in translation. The suggestion is that Utd want to spread payments over 4-5 years which probably includes conditional add-ons rather than guaranteed.
David Brooks attracting interest from Man United as they search for Jadon Sancho alternatives with Bournemouth and Wales winger available for £40m after Cherries' Premier League relegation
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...s-radar-search-Jadon-Sancho-alternatives.html
Adrian Kajumba reporting our interest in Brooks as we reach 'impasse' with Dortmund.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...s-radar-search-Jadon-Sancho-alternatives.html
Adrian Kajumba reporting our interest in Brooks as we reach 'impasse' with Dortmund.
Says every clubs finances. Remember players only ever cost as much as they do due to the relative financial positions of the clubs around Europe.
If everyone has led money, then players will cost less even though the impact on the club may stay the same
Isn't he supposed to be the next Giggs?
Then again, they said that about Daniel James. They don't half talk some shite at times.
£40m for Brooks? Wow. That's quite a bit more than I expected, really. If anything, that just makes £108m for Sancho even more "fair", imo.
We’re all quick to bash Ed and rightly so, but my feeling is that it’s Joel Glazer’s grubby little hands controlling the transfer war chest during the pandemic. I think Ed genuinely wants to back Ole but Joel Glazer is probably offering excuse after excuse and delaying things.
You could argue that this is the one season where we’d be completely justified to walk away from a huge asking price without a lot of repercussion.
I’m equally frustrated by all of this, but get why the board are haggling over the price (if they are that is ).
ED: Got Sancho for you.
OLE: I want three players.
ED: I wish you had something sooner. I’ll cancel the Sancho deal.
OLE: Who will you get me?
ED: You like surprises?
OLE: No.
ED: Too bad.
Oh no, his girlfriend will be hoping not!
I imagine we could reach a fair deal here. £30m up front, which he is easily worth, with the rest made up in appearance installments. Basically, if we get a version of Brooks that gets over this injury then we pay £40m, which is a good price for a good player with lots of room to improve even more.
Until United start briefing that it’s too difficult a deal to do, i choose to believe its JadON
I mean, sure. In a world where Grealish is priced at £80m and us paying £80m for Maguire and £50m for AWB, I guess it's a fair price. I guess I'm just still surprised that players go for those sums at all. I mentioned it earlier in this thread, that the Ronaldo transfer broke me in this sense. I have no perspective anymore on a players value. The numbers are just too big for me to even wrap my head around.
You could say that Sancho is worth £150m, and I wouldn't bat an eye. £90m for Upamecano? Sure thing! £100m for Andreas Pereira? That's the bare minimum!
Also ED: Here are three players: Jadon, Malik and Sancho
Ole: Maths is not my strong point, but I'm fairly certain Jadon Malik Sancho equates to only one player. I said wanted three.
Ed: You asked me for three new names. I got you three new names.
Ole:
Ed: Wut?
Ole: FFS Ed.
When you look at what sort of fees have been paid for average to good players with little to no upside, then £30m looks fair. The likes of Andy Carroll, Wilfired Bony, Sigurdsson, Drinkwater, Benteke, Ayoze Perez, Fellaini. Prices got inflated a long time ago. Back in the day these and Brooks would have been £10-15m players.
Ole: Maths is not my strong point, but I'm fairly certain Jadon Malik Sancho equates to only one player. I said wanted three.
Ed: You asked me for three new names. I got you three new names.
Ole:
Ed: Wut?
Ole: FFS Ed.
There is a high amount of anxiety where people are considering signing Sancho as the be-all and end-all of our season. Let's put things into perspective:
What we need is for the money to be spent wisely. I can't believe that a talent like Thiago is in the market for 25 million pounds and we are nowhere near him. If there's a budget constraint, we need depth across midfield, CB, FB and attack. I can't see us raising a lot of money from sales. No point getting Sancho if that means we commit the same blunders in other areas of the pitch.
Let's not lose our sh*t over Sancho. Getting him wouldn't mean immediate success. Not getting him wouldn't mean doom.
- Will we win the league with Sancho? Most probably no
- Will we win the league without Sancho? Almost certainly no
- Will we finish in the Top 4 with Sancho? Most probably yes
- Will we finish in the Top 4 without Sancho? It will be tougher but should be Yes
What we need is for the money to be spent wisely. I can't believe that a talent like Thiago is in the market for 25 million pounds and we are nowhere near him. If there's a budget constraint, we need depth across midfield, CB, FB and attack. I can't see us raising a lot of money from sales. No point getting Sancho if that means we commit the same blunders in other areas of the pitch.
Let's not lose our sh*t over Sancho. Getting him wouldn't mean immediate success. Not getting him wouldn't mean doom.
Sorry but I will still be gutted, proper gutted if this doesn’t happen.
Absolutely no guarantee we will get him next season, he’s potentially a generational talent, fills the void of RW finally! British, wants to play for us, has friends within the club already, everything is set for him to fit straight in and elevate us immediately.
You don’t get the chance to get this sort of signing over the line very often, you take it with both hands when you do get that chance.
You make valid points but it’s a passive stance. Ole needs to make an impact on the title race next season, not saying we should win it but we need to be in the mix affecting its destination, we need top level players.
Dortmund complete signing of Reinier from Real Madrid on two-year loan deal
https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-...einier-from-real-madrid-on-two-year-loan-deal
muppet away
https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-...einier-from-real-madrid-on-two-year-loan-deal
muppet away
Not to mention the collection of flopped City defenders ....Mendy 52m, Danilo 27m, Mangala 42m, ...
Says in the article he’s more of a false nine isn’t he? It does mention he can play ok the wing though.Dortmund complete signing of Reinier from Real Madrid on two-year loan deal
https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-...einier-from-real-madrid-on-two-year-loan-deal
muppet away
It's the probability of success of these mega money signings that's also which needs to looked at. The same statement could've been made for Pogba as well. But as we've seen, it takes a team to win and not individual players.
I don't disagree in the slightest. But Sancho is not the only top level player out there. A 12-year old playing FIFA could point us towards him. There were players like Salah and Mane who were out there at prices which were really manageable and have hit world class levels. Do you think Liverpool would've signed either of them for 100 million? That would've meant not getting either or both of Allisson and Van Dijk. I don't disagree that Sancho will elevate our team. But if it means not strengthening other areas, I would rather we try to find another player with potential and try to get him to a higher level.
Pay Borussia Dortmund what they want for him, Now's our chance to get him.
I hope we get it done as soon as possible, It's getting boring now to be honest.
True. It's not ideal but hardly the end of the world if we have to play Greenwood at RW this season. Who knows Sancho might look like an unnecessary buy in a years time.
I doubt we would've paid 80 for Maguire and 50 for AWB in today's market.
He can also play as a CAM and CF which is why I doubt he'll be cutting into Sancho's playing time or role at all
There really seems to be nothing happening on the Jadon Sancho front but fan speculation.
Well, yes he is, because that's what Dortmund value him at, he is Dortmund's asset, they get to value him however they want, it's not like they want to sell him, telling Dortmund to "wise up" like we get to demand we pay whatever we want is ridiculous, it's like someone coming in saying they want to buy Marcus Rashford and we say, yeah well we want 100m, and then the other team going wtf no he's not worth that much, look at the market look at yada yada yada, we demand we pay whatever we value him at and you better sell him to us, just because we are Dortmund.
We don't get to demand what prices we buy players at because we are Manchester United, we pay whatever the selling club asks for when they are in a far better bargaining position, if Sancho had a year or less on his contract then this would be going differently, but he doesn't.
I've seen this logic before, elsewhere.
The thing to remember, and I won't go through all the other reasons Sancho would bring to the team/squad, once he is secured, the teams potential to win titles has been raised.
If for example, you thought we needed a midfielder, attacker, and a fullback.
Getting Brooks would not give you a better chance of beating top sides, regardless of who you got for the other two positions. He does not raise the level of the team. It actually drops when he is in, at someone else's expense, whether by choice or necessity.
If you purely buy cover, you are attempting to consolidate a level.
That can be good, when your back-ups are as dodgy as ours, or if you are already a complete side.
When you have the chance to improve the team, whilst also gaining squad depth, then your chance of competing for honours increases.
Sancho would raise that level for a minimum of 5 years. In which time you can fill the other gaps.
The rarity of being able to take such a big leap forward, in one purchase, means you should grab it when you have the chance.
There will always be adequate players available for any position.
It is the exceptional transfers that will transform your expectations and possibilities.
If we can spend £100 million, buying Sancho would be one of the wisest way to spend it.
I hope we have £200 mil though because we have a fair few holes need plugging.
Napoli signed a one season wonder winger from Napoli for 70 million euro so that sets the price in the CL In market. Sancho is atleast 2 or 3 times as good too.
I genuinely wish every summer we conducted our transfer business soooooo much faster.
This deal needs to be done and then we can move on to a #10 and CB.
This deal needs to be done and then we can move on to a #10 and CB.
Again valid points. However regardless of how obvious a signing Sancho is, there's a reason he's an obvious fit for us, that's because he ticks all the boxes we require and his numbers are as good as any in Europe.
I'm all for strengthening depth but we struggle to unearth gems at United unless they come from our own academy, we tend to pay top dollar regardless of the player in question. See Fred / AWB etc.
I also think the squad is much further along and more balanced now that it was when we first signed Pogba. It's a more balanced and attacking team for Sancho to fit into.
The idea is not to win the league by buying Sancho. The idea is to bridge the gap and give us a higher probability of winning the league in the next couple of years. Buying Sancho is one step closer to it. Not buying him makes it less likely (especially if he signs for a rival premier league team which would be inevitable as he wants to come back to the premier league).
Your 4 questions could all be answered with the exact same answers for the situation where we sign 3 players who are not as good as Sancho.
- Will we win the league by signing 3 squad players? Most probably no
- Will we win the league without signing 3 squad players? Almost certainly no
- Will we finish in the Top 4 with signing 3 squad players? Most probably yes
- Will we finish in the Top 4 without signing 3 squad players? It will be tougher but should be Yes
By signing Sancho instead of 3 other players this summer will give us a better chance of winning the league in 2-3 years time. Choosing to sign 2-3 squad players will not in my opinion.
Yeah. We definitely don't have £200 mil to spend, that's why this deal is taking so long. If we do get it over the line it will likely be at the expense of other/additional signings.
Some posters are against that and I can understand that, I'm still firmly in the get Sancho at any cost camp.
Yeah doesn't sound much of a like-for-like replacement does it.
Then would you consider 40 for Brooks a fair price?
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