Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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This was never going to happen early in the window.

There will be twists and turns in negitiations for this amount of money.

I wouldn't bet on either outcome at the moment but I think it will happen.
 
Womp said:
This is over, let it go muppets, you're only going to hurt yourself, we know how this ends. He has now come out and publicly spoken about how much he enjoys being there and playing with his teammates, when people here thought it was a sign he himself wasn't coming out and speaking. He now has. The German media is consistent in saying Dortmund aren't going to let him leave and Sancho is happy to stay, which honestly seems consistent with his body language.

We called their bluff on the deadline/their valuation and we got fecked. Using silence on our end as a means to justify hope is silly, there could be silence because we still think it's possible, whilst Dortmund and the player themselves are both inclined to him staying. We couldn't justify paying the fee and we handled the negotiations poorly.
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Should we close the thread then? Don't get the people who keep coming in to tell everyone else it's off. The thread is for speculation either way surely.
 
Womp said:
This is over, let it go muppets, you're only going to hurt yourself, we know how this ends. He has now come out and publicly spoken about how much he enjoys being there and playing with his teammates, when people here thought it was a sign he himself wasn't coming out and speaking. He now has. The German media is consistent in saying Dortmund aren't going to let him leave and Sancho is happy to stay, which honestly seems consistent with his body language.

We called their bluff on the deadline/their valuation and we got fecked. Using silence on our end as a means to justify hope is silly, there could be silence because we still think it's possible, whilst Dortmund and the player themselves are both inclined to him staying. We couldn't justify paying the fee and we handled the negotiations poorly.
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I agree but maybe the simple answer is we dont value him at the structre that Dortmund do?
I cant see what Utd have done wrong here. Dortmund seem to have a hair trigger over this and it doesn't make sense.
 
Mickeza said:
Also interesting is what Haaland said with Sancho. Why would it be great character to play well and look sharp if he is so happy about staying an extra year?

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Because he shows himself as an actual professional by not letting the fact, that he does not get his move back into the EPL right now get in the way of his performance. He would obviously prefered a move to United this Summer. This topic would have never gained that much traction if it would not be the case. If the move does not happen he will honor his contract and still commit himself to the club for the upcoming season, which is also in his own self interest as another strong season would further cement his status as top player and make a stronger case for himself for the upcoming EURO.

Dortmund and United not reaching an agreement did not change his clear plans to eventually return to the EPL. It simply pushes the time table one year further into the future.
 
Womp said:
This is over, let it go muppets, you're only going to hurt yourself, we know how this ends. He has now come out and publicly spoken about how much he enjoys being there and playing with his teammates, when people here thought it was a sign he himself wasn't coming out and speaking. He now has. The German media is consistent in saying Dortmund aren't going to let him leave and Sancho is happy to stay, which honestly seems consistent with his body language.

We called their bluff on the deadline/their valuation and we got fecked. Using silence on our end as a means to justify hope is silly, there could be silence because we still think it's possible, whilst Dortmund and the player themselves are both inclined to him staying. We couldn't justify paying the fee and we handled the negotiations poorly.
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Even if United had called this thing off internally, they wouldn't brief that their pursuit had ended the minute a deadline that they (suppsedly) called an empty threat had passed. You double down, say you still think it's a bluff, then you leak some stuff about how Dortmund are unreasonable or how better options have presented themselves and then you bury it a couple of weeks later.
 
do.ob said:


Doesn't sound like he's forcing a move yet.
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Comes across as someone who is staying put for one more year. I guess our and Dortmund's valuation was actually quite far apart. May as well move on to strengthening other areas while working towards getting this done some other time/Jan/summer.
 
The Cat said:
This was never going to happen early in the window.

There will be twists and turns in negitiations for this amount of money.

I wouldn't bet on either outcome at the moment but I think it will happen.
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I’m not sure there will be. I think our issue is not the actual fee, but that our projected cash flow can’t meet BVB’s instalment requirements. Which means the transfer is now upto a BVB compromise.

The length of his contract is the game changer. I’m sure he will be equally good next season and then The Euros will be the perfect show window for BVB unless a club meets their demands beforehand.

Can’t blame Woodward for this. He hoped BVB would be amenable to our constraints but they seem belligerent.
 
Womp said:
This is over, let it go muppets, you're only going to hurt yourself, we know how this ends. He has now come out and publicly spoken about how much he enjoys being there and playing with his teammates, when people here thought it was a sign he himself wasn't coming out and speaking. He now has. The German media is consistent in saying Dortmund aren't going to let him leave and Sancho is happy to stay, which honestly seems consistent with his body language.

We called their bluff on the deadline/their valuation and we got fecked. Using silence on our end as a means to justify hope is silly, there could be silence because we still think it's possible, whilst Dortmund and the player themselves are both inclined to him staying. We couldn't justify paying the fee and we handled the negotiations poorly.
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It's not over until United starts briefing journalists that we've moved on, instead they've been briefed that it's still a work in progress. So no, it isn't over yet.
 
It’s more worrying the lack of reality some people have, if you were interviewed about your employment and you Were actively searching for a better position the last thing you would do is slag your current employer or say your looking elsewhere it’s basic common sense
 
do.ob said:
Even if United had called this thing off internally, they wouldn't brief that their pursuit had ended the minute a deadline that they (suppsedly) called an empty threat had passed. You double down, say you still think it's a bluff, then you leak some stuff about how Dortmund are unreasonable or how better options have presented themselves and then you bury it a couple of weeks later.
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Nope disagree as we only have past experience to go off and that's not what United do.
 
TheReligion said:
Should we close the thread then? Don't get the people who keep coming in to tell everyone else it's off. The thread is for speculation either way surely.
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We can still have a laugh and banter about it all etc. until it's confirmed, but there are people genuinely here doing mental gymnastics to try and justify this still being on, when just about all signs point to it being dead. Trying to save some muppet heartbreaks.

cyberman said:
I agree but maybe the simple answer is we dont value him at the structre that Dortmund do?
I cant see what Utd have done wrong here. Dortmund seem to have a hair trigger over this and it doesn't make sense.
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The use of intermediaries proves they obviously wanted to keep the kid, but were content for him to leave at a specific price. A price we didn't seem willing to pay. Sancho himself doesn't seem all that bothered about staying as well. It's also telling he's playing their friendly games. That's all it really comes down to for me.
 
Bosws87 said:
It’s more worrying the lack of reality some people have, if you were interviewed about your employment and you Were actively searching for a better position the last thing you would do is slag your current employer or say your looking elsewhere it’s basic common sense
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Exactly. He's a professional and of good character. Would hardly endear him to United either if he started acting up.

Those quotes mean literally nothing.
 
do.ob said:
Even if United had called this thing off internally, they wouldn't brief that their pursuit had ended the minute a deadline that they (suppsedly) called an empty threat had passed. You double down, say you still think it's a bluff, then you leak some stuff about how Dortmund are unreasonable or how better options have presented themselves and then you bury it a couple of weeks later.
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United would brief right away, this is just the way they are. The lack of brief is a strange situation.
 
sammsky1 said:
I’m not sure there will be. I think our issue is not the actual fee, but that our projected cash flow can’t meet BVB’s instalment requirements. Which means the transfer is now upto a BVB compromise.

The length of his contract is the game changer. I’m sure he will be equally good next season and then The Euros will be the perfect show window for BVB unless a club meets their demands beforehand.

Can’t blame Woodward for this. He hoped BVB would be amenable to our constraints but they seem belligerent.
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Think they're confident they'll get a huge fee next season in a Covid recovered market. And I think they would too. Have a feeling sancho's stock will only rise. Just have to hope the other big boys don't come calling.
 
Womp said:
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We called their bluff on the deadline/their valuation and we got fecked.
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If we don't have the money they want then that's the end of it, we didn't get fecked. We and everyone else can try next summer, perhaps things will be looking back to normal or very much on the way and a club can put down around 120m euro.

I'd say lock the thread until anything significant happens.
 
Womp said:
We can still have a laugh and banter about it all etc. until it's confirmed, but there are people genuinely here doing mental gymnastics to try and justify this still being on, when just about all signs point to it being dead. Trying to save some muppet heartbreaks.



The use of intermediaries proves they obviously wanted to keep the kid, but were content for him to leave at a specific price. A price we didn't seem willing to pay. Sancho himself doesn't seem all that bothered about staying as well. It's also telling he's playing their friendly games. That's all it really comes down to for me.
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Of course its still on. The window is still open. You keep coming in here to tell everyone it's off won't change that nor does it really add anything. Sorry mate but it's tedious.
 
Bosws87 said:
It’s more worrying the lack of reality some people have, if you were interviewed about your employment and you Were actively searching for a better position the last thing you would do is slag your current employer or say your looking elsewhere it’s basic common sense
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Why does he need to give interviews though? He wouldn't unless it was planned to speak about the matter surely.
 
Can’t see it being any other conclusion other than him becoming a United player when the new season starts. He’s only respectfully saying the right things at the moment while waiting
 
TheReligion said:
Exactly. He's a professional and of good character. Would hardly endear him to United either if he started acting up.

Those quotes mean literally nothing.
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De Gea is literally a golden example he desperately wanted to join Madrid did he ever go public and rip us apart he only ever said positive things.
 
I mean, if United were willing to pay their valuation, test Dortmund's resolve by asking Sancho to push for the move. If he's unwilling, that's a sign in of itself, if he is, we may get the transfer. The whispers that we were going to go down that route have also died down with the reports he would put in a transfer request coming from a Daniel Harris who I had never heard of prior to this window though. Is that because we are unwilling to make a player do that, or is the player themselves unwilling to do it? Who the feck knows
 
Bosws87 said:
De Gea is literally a golden example he desperately wanted to join Madrid did he ever go public and rip us apart he only ever said positive things.
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If he comes out and says I'm staying then fair enough but in the mean time everything is fair game.
 
redshaw said:
If we don't have the money they want then that's the end of it, we didn't get fecked. We and everyone else can try next summer, perhaps things will be looking back to normal or very much on the way and a club can put down around 120m euro.

I'd say lock the thread until anything significant happens.
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Ye na, I agree in that regard. I don't blame the board for this one. It's an astronomical ask given the pandemic.
 
Womp said:
I mean, if United were willing to pay their valuation, test Dortmund's resolve by asking Sancho to push for the move. If he's unwilling, that's a sign in of itself, if he is, we may get the transfer. The whispers that we were going to go down that route have also died down with the reports he would put in a transfer request coming from a Daniel Harris who I had never heard of prior to this window though. Is that because we are unwilling to make a player do that, or is the player themselves unwilling to do it? Who the feck knows
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The comments about that were made last night. How quickly do you want it to happen? The window is open for a while yet. We aren't going to get movement on this every 5 minutes.
 
redshaw said:
If we don't have the money they want then that's the end of it, we didn't get fecked. We and everyone else can try next summer, perhaps things will be looking back to normal or very much on the way and a club can put down around 120m euro.

I'd say lock the thread until anything significant happens.
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It's odd that we don't have the money though isn't it? Are we really expending a transfer spend of less than 120 million this summer? Possible we don't have that sort of money to go upfront on a single player.
 
Yeah starting to totally believe this is over now. He's staying I guess.

Though of course I'll be pleased with any surprise news in this.
 
You know those are nothing quotes from Sancho when even Jan hasn’t tweeted about them.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Why does he need to give interviews though? He wouldn't unless it was planned to speak about the matter surely.
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Judging from the quotes I’m guessing this was a joint interview with team mates after coming off the pitch at half time.

So here’s a question: Everyone in Germany has now been asked about how happy they are that Sancho is staying...and he’s here right now in front of a camera...so why isn’t Sancho asked? Seems pretty odd. Almost like they’ve been briefed not to ask the question.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
It's odd that we don't have the money though isn't it? Are we really expending a transfer spend of less than 120 million this summer? Possible we don't have that sort of money to go upfront on a single player.
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Doesn't mean we need to blow all 120M on a single player. We have other areas that also need players and backup players.
 
Womp said:
This is over, let it go muppets, you're only going to hurt yourself, we know how this ends. He has now come out and publicly spoken about how much he enjoys being there and playing with his teammates, when people here thought it was a sign he himself wasn't coming out and speaking. He now has. The German media is consistent in saying Dortmund aren't going to let him leave and Sancho is happy to stay, which honestly seems consistent with his body language.

We called their bluff on the deadline/their valuation and we got fecked. Using silence on our end as a means to justify hope is silly, there could be silence because we still think it's possible, whilst Dortmund and the player themselves are both inclined to him staying. We couldn't justify paying the fee and we handled the negotiations poorly.
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It's not over until United starts briefing journalists that we've moved on, instead they've been briefed that it's still a work in progress.
 
Sancho could tweet that he was taking a dump and some people would still infer transfer news from that.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Doesn't mean we need to blow all 120M on a single player. We have other areas that also need players and backup players.
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My point is that if it's there to spend then it's there to spend on Sancho. It's just that the club prefers to use it on other players. I'd prefer Sancho than two other players but that's the club's call of course.
 
Bosws87 said:
It’s more worrying the lack of reality some people have, if you were interviewed about your employment and you Were actively searching for a better position the last thing you would do is slag your current employer or say your looking elsewhere it’s basic common sense
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What you mean like Paul Ince wearing a Man Utd jersey while he was still under contract at West Ham. weeks before we had even signed him.
 
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