Why are people still allowing themselves to get hurt. We all know how this ends
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Maybe that first summer with his “Leaves tour on urgent transfer business“ and “Adult Disneyland” nonsense but Woody rarely says anything these days.
Ah yeah the Adult Disneyland thing which some people say was the reason that Klopp ran a mile
But why? They just want an adult theme park? Or a childish Disneyland?
With us paying up?
The silence from our club is interesting. I still think this is going to happen.
The silence is because we are trying to negotiate a fee that Dortmund have no interest whatsoever of reducing, it seems. I don't think we can afford/justify spending such a sum given the current circumstances. It's a fair valuation for Sancho, but every team would struggle justifying such a fee, our revenue has already taken a big hit and it's only going to get worse.
I still think (hope?) we'll have a big summer, strengthen some pressing areas, but I just don't see us getting Sancho. Would love to be wrong though
Anyone remember if this happened? Auba signed for Arsenal few weeks after this
Well it's better than those declaring they hate Dortmund and that they are wankers and suchlike.
Hah yeah obviously that bit is shite, I’m as gutted as anybody. I have beef with the journo’s is all
, hope a lot of fellow posters don’t invest too much into them next time around.Hah yeah obviously that bit is shite, I’m as gutted as anybody. I have beef with the journo’s is all
Far chance!
Its called Muppet season for a reason
Ah ok thanks, I thought it would be in some way about Zorc being a bullsh*ter
Still don’t see this happening this summer now. Such a disappointment if it doesn’t happen
I think resident Dortmund fan @Sphaero mentioned how this time round things might be a little different but can't remember exactly why.
One thing I certainly wouldn't worry about is the teammates coming out saying they are happy that Sancho is staying.
We've seen Witsel, Hummels and Haaland saying they are glad he's staying. Well if Dortmund really wanted to send out that message, the easiest way would be to interview Sancho and get him to say hes happy to stay this year. It's not like he's in a different place. He's training with the same players who are commenting. It really does look like a an attempt to try and convince him to stay by the teammates.
We've seen Witsel, Hummels and Haaland saying they are glad he's staying. Well if Dortmund really wanted to send out that message, the easiest way would be to interview Sancho and get him to say hes happy to stay this year. It's not like he's in a different place. He's training with the same players who are commenting. It really does look like a an attempt to try and convince him to stay by the teammates.
Why? Who knows what conversations are happening behind closed doors?
If we make the move, great. If not, I certainly won't begrudge Dortmund. I just hope there are some contingency options at RW and we don't get caught totally flat footed, eggs in one basket, etc.
This is true. I wonder what it takes to get a blue tick on your twitter account as one of these journo’s.Far chance!
Its called Muppet season for a reason
It can’t be for actual journalistic work.
This’ll get done. All posturing and dick swinging right now...and that’s just me...no doubt this will be sorted a few days after our Europa campaign.
Just give them the money, these won't budge.
Exactly, They don't want him to say he's staying because then they know they've gotta keep him and at this point, for whatever reason, its clear they prefer the money... and lots of it.
Yeah it certainly looks like negotiation tactics. It would be very easy for Dortmund to request Sancho to go on TV and say he is happy to stay. But by doing so it would end all negotiations.
Dortmund were clearly happy to sell him before the 10th August. Their mind doesn’t suddenly change just because Utd haven’t put a bid in yet. This is their signal to basically say we don’t want this to drag to the end of the window where we have to panic replace him. If you want him, come get him early.
They seem to secretly renew a lot of their players contracts. I wish Sancho would come out and say "I havent signed a new deal" that would leave Zorc hanging, I dont think he's that type of player though.
We muppets are amazing. Someone tweets "a deal is close" we get the cocks out. Someone from the team tweets "he's staying" - no worries, i'll grab a twitter post from last year where they said that....cocks out again! Muppets don't die, they just multiply ....
I honestly don’t think the comments by Zorc about Sancho having been signed up till 2023 affects our negotiations.
Before we even got involved in negotiations, our first contact would have been with Sanchos agent with regards to finding out if he would even want to come to Utd. Without doubt the agent would have discussed Sanchos existing contract with Utd at this point.
There is absolutely no way Utd have begun negotiations without knowing when Sanchos contract ends. The only shock with this news is to the media and us fans. Utd certainly wouldn’t be shocked by it.
Im worried about all the guys here who have had their pants down and cocks out for over a week now. It could be weeks of walking around with pants around ankles!
Just reading now that on that Podcast with Fabrizio Romano, they were saying the unofficially the numbers United were talking about with Dortmund is 60million Euro's max, and then we offered 60 mill with 20 mill in add-ons, which, if true, is just typical of how this club runs it's transfers business, without a single clue in the world.
Yeah when I read that I just thought that’s typical Ed Woodward!
Apparently Ed did something similar with the Haaland or Bruno transfer (can’t remember which one). But he basically had agreed a fee and then went back on the agreement and offered less than the initial offer.
Liverpool's front three will need refreshing in the next year or two, could see them cashing on mane next summer and then they are in the mix for Sancho.
What makes you say Bayern wouldn't pay? The have asked both Werner and Havertz to wait for them next summer as they have spent their budget this summer so the clearly intend to be able to make a big move summer 2021 and they's happily pay it to take a proven killer in their own league away from their biggest domestic rivals and out of the clutches of other European giants.
He didn't extend, it was a club option.
Dortmund's model is simply to be the ext best club in Germany while churning talent. If they are hit by COVID the clubs below them will be also and if they are as a result able to command lesser fees for their outward players they will just the same be able to pick off their next batch on the cheap too so relatively unscathed and rather wishful thinking around these parts in my opinion.
I think the biggest obstacle is not about Dortmund unwilling to sell the player, but it’s rather us unable to spend that amount of money.
When i look at what was shelled out for Hazard (29) Dembele (injured a lot) and Felix (ok he has potential) there isn't anyone that's going to say we paid too much for Sancho. Yeah yeah nothing's certain but he's young and I think he'll be amazing. Get this done already!
Is that true though? I've heard that a few times about Ed and I'd imagine that gets annoying real quick for any clubs dealing with that. It can't be a good negotiating tactic and I don't see why he'd do that enough times that it gets reported. Just seems like bad business, especially since in the end United winds up paying the fee quoted from the get-go.
They just signed Sane and already have Gnabry and coman. Liverpool also wouldn't pay the money.
Real, Barca and City could be in for him strongly,though.
Either you are not reading it correctly or someone is misleading you. FR has never said anything like that.
TBF, 120m is just way too much money. Even 90m is too much. An 80m as a first payment with the rest being paid over the next few seasons seems a bit reasonable offer for, but no one can blame BVB as they have the right to value their player as much they want though. I don't think we're doing anything wrong here whether this gets done or not.
I just hope we're not fully committing all our negotiations time for Sancho and ignoring the fact our team needs at least 2 more players in addition for him. This might take few more weeks or even a month. We need to be working on other players as well.
This makes me sceptical if we ever did agree personal terms with Sancho.
Fabrizio has been doing 180s to preserve his credibility.
So it could be that the idea that Sancho has agreed personal terms could just be another ploy to have people hooked.
Its all frankly very annoying now. Either its busy or we've walked away. Which is it already?
Meanwhile, Dortmund have been taking the piss out of us lately. Feck sakes.
Fabrizio has been doing 180s to preserve his credibility.
So it could be that the idea that Sancho has agreed personal terms could just be another ploy to have people hooked.
Its all frankly very annoying now. Either its busy or we've walked away. Which is it already?
Meanwhile, Dortmund have been taking the piss out of us lately. Feck sakes.
There is no way that he will cost more next summer. Every club is going to have financial troubles cause of covid, and another year without fans in stadiums, probably suspended seasons for months is gonna make clubs have even less money.
PSG and City do not count in this.
Us agreeing terms with him has nothing to do with negotiations with Dortmund. We are at a stalemate agreeing on a price with them, clearly. We just can't afford it imo.
Sure you are right, its understandable we won't be paying that amount of money in current situation. Dortmund has no reason to lower their demand too, as Sancho still has 3 years contract with them, they are in no rush to sell really.
I think people here who think we could still sign Sancho this summer is missing a point - Dortmund did sell Dembele after unable to keep him from Barca pursuit few years ago, but for price of 145m! Since Sancho is better player for them, they just won't sell him cheap. Its either we pay the full amount they've asked for, or Sancho would stay for at least another year. I just don't see we will pay that amount of money, if we could we've already paid that before Dortmund deadline.
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See I can't agree on the affordability part.
We've been at it for so long, we must have know an estimate to the price they would set. We would have determined what we can afford beforehand.
If the two coincide, then what exactly is the problem?
Zorc has been clear on how much Dortmund want. So therefore, we know that part.
Manchester United remained in whatever intermediary negotiations took place, meaning we had the belief that we could afford it.
Unless we've lowballed dafuq outta Dortmund, or they've shifted their previous valuation, what exactly is preventing this deal from taking place?
Plus this whole business of "secretly" adding a year to JS' contract. Dafuq was that?!
The whole PR stunt with Dortmund parading Sancho all over the place is weird as well.
This whole thing is just plain weird.
Fab has actually been consistent. Agreeing personal terms could have already been accomplished, like with any large transfer like this.
All of that jives with what we are hearing in that it is a disagreement on payments to BVB.
It's getting bit quiet now. We would have briefed if things are not progressing well. Have some patience, Zorc will be defeated.
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