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You can't say that as a valid reason
If he's a goalscorer then he should be taken seriously.
Zaha-Hudson Odoi similarities do spring to mind. I think Hudson-Odoi is a smoother mover than Zaha though, who in bulking up as he has aged has lost some of that fluidity of movement. Technically I think that Hudson-Odoi looks more advanced, even at this age. First touch was an issue for Zaha at Utd, and he still has problems with it at times.
Don't see Zaha having the game to be a success at a big club, very much a big fish in small pond type to my eyes, Hudson-Odoi just looks a better prospect even on the limited mins I have seen of him, plays a smarter, more team orientated game.
Don't see Zaha having the game to be a success at a big club, very much a big fish in small pond type to my eyes, Hudson-Odoi just looks a better prospect even on the limited mins I have seen of him, plays a smarter, more team orientated game.
Exactly the logic that led to Sanchez and Schweinsteiger being signed.
"Ole has said he wants to buy a hungry player. I think Sancho is that hungry player...
...So let's buy Bale."
Classic Phil. His transfer suggestions were appalling.Absolutely agree with that reasoning. We should sign players that what to make a name for themselves at the club and not just some stop on their journey after already proving themselves. I'd pick Sancho ahead of Bale everyone even though Bale is clearly the better player.
To think Phil Neville was one of the coaching staff at United.Jeez.
Dont think I've ever agreed with him on anything.
Dont think I've ever agreed with him on anything.
IMO Sancho is better this season and their career paths are heading in different directions. Bale has lost a bit of sharpness to his game, he's still a good player but makes poor touches more often and isn't as effective at dribbling. He's still lightning quick and has a rocket of a left foot though. Wage demands alone would put me off Bale.
Bale's age and injury record would put me off before we even talk about his wages.
Phil Jones needs a friend on the treatment table.
Phil Jones is so messed in the head that his best friend is the treatment table.
Would you say that if Hudson-Odoi had scored 10 goals this season in the PL? Or is it because it doesn't fit your narrative?
There are two things that would cause me to fall out of love with football and not be arsed about next season at all.
One is Solskjaer not getting the United job, the other is us signing Bale.
Trying not to laugh at this.
As long as they're both playing at United I won't mind.
Sancho is further along with his development, If he’d stayed at City I would imagine his stats would be equal to, or worse than Hudson-Odoi.
Germany is like Scotland....99% of the time, you are playing for 2nd and the rest of the teams know that. Each to their own but for me it's ridiculous to make the comparison with the two leagues. What I can guarantee you is, Bayern isn't winning the league here every season.
Never said don't rate him, just don't think he's worth the figures being talked about.
I'd like to think we'd have worked that out before transferring the money. Wasn't suggesting loaning him back after buying him was a 'test', more the opportunity to continue to grow away from the pressure and the spotlight of our media. Isn't that what happens with young players anyway?
If we don’t sign Sancho and Koulibaly in the summer, we’re not winning anything.
On top of us simply not signing them, one of our rivals are going to instead.
On top of us simply not signing them, one of our rivals are going to instead.
It's slightly confusing. So you are happy to spend 80m based on one breakthrough season as long as we loan him back, but not happy to spend 80m based on one breakthrough season if he has to join immediately?
Which younger players for United? Actually quite a few of them that made it big here at United came and developed under the pressure and spotlight in our media. Granted some did develop away but lately I believe our success with loans vs players who stayed is in favour of those who stayed.
You see this is what happens on here as the discussion moves away from the original point. My point wasn't about being 'happy', it was a compromise to paying 80m at 18, playing for the biggest club in the world and being crushed in the media and on here if it doesn't work out. The numbers are unusual but the principles of this practice is common in football.
It's very different developing at your club than signing for it as the player cost nothing.
Pogba signed for 90m and even winning things and putting in some decent performances still today its questioned whether he was worth it. When we lose, people question every aspect of his life negatively as a contributing factor. He is completely under the spotlight. I can't imagine the pressure exerted on this lads shoulders if he's signed for more than Pogba and becomes the poster boy of English football. Sterling is another example too.....
The class of 92 were I believe named as such because of their average IQ.
Indeed and Sterling has done well. Rooney did too.
What I mean is where are the examples of a loan working in this case?
I'm not saying your wrong, I just can't think of many.
For me if you decide to pay 80m then you bring them in. If you don't believe they can handle that pressure, you don't spend the 80m
Assuming we do sign them. What's your expectation from Ole come the following season?
Not the same but I like how PSG handled the Mbappe transfer. He was signed on loan and whilst we know what he cost, it was deferred and almost went under the radar (as best paying 180m could do) in a way that it won't have if he was signed in a more traditional way. I understand there were more factors to this and it helped having Neymar profile at the club but that's what loaning him back could achieve. Whilst we know he's coming, just arrives in a different way deferring the interest and hysteria.
I think it's easy for us all to forget, irrespective of the figures involved, can't fast track how you grow emotionally and maturely. Like I said, it hard enough signing for this club under normal circumstances but under this situation with the backstory of potentially Ole's first major signing, ex city, his age, being English, probably the no.7 shirt, the fee and his wages at 18....the pressure to succeed is going to be immense.
Loan idea might be a crap one but these kind of signings are unprecedented and require a different approach....
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If we go for Bale instead of Sancho I'll fecking cry.
It didnt go under the radar. The cost was known and everyone knew it was done to avoid FFP
The interest and hysteria wasnt deffered at all to be honest.
I actually agree with what you’re saying overall. That it might be too soon for Sancho to handle the pressure and may need more time.
If thats the case don’t pay 80m. Pay a lesser fee and loan him out.
But if the club feel he does have the mentaloty then get him in. Personally I think he actually might have it.
Isn't that what I already alluded to that there were other factors and as much as paying 180m for a teenager, it def didn't have the same impact as loaning him first irrespective of the motivation behind it.
That would be the final proof that we are poorly run. I'd rather we held off anther year if we couldn't get Sancho this summer, rather than sign Bale. Honestly, to sign Bale at any stage now would be such an outrageous decision given his injuries.
We can't afford to blow our budget on Sancho.... even though he's good. Dortmund don't want to sell him. He's English and he's only 18.... He's gonna cost us close to 130m and we can't be pulling off another stupid decision again... Lukaku ended up costing us 90m and he's not been a 90m worth player.. He's at best a 60m player..... so we ended up paying 30m extra for absolutely horseshit. We need to be a lot shrewd in the market. Rabiot would be an intelligent buy..... He's only 23 and would have a good resale value... Essentially his transfer fee in the future would pay for his wages at United. Pepe from Lille would be a good value buy as well. I don't see anyone going for him which would prevent the price to be inflated. Pepe for 50m would be great value. I think we should get 2 CBs..... Alderweireld for 25m would be a good coup while we try and nab Koulibaly. Lindelof, Smalling, Alderweireld, Koulibaly would be great options for us. I would use Bailly in the transfer of Koulibaly to drive the price down. Bailly is worth about 35m..... Baiily + 55m would be good deal for us and Napoli. We need another CM even if Herrera resigns with us. I just don't trust Pereira and Fred to come good. Pereira can actually play in the No. 10 role for us but Fred just doesn't seem like he will fit the PL. I would definitely try to get Ndombele... We rely heavily on Pogba for our play making abilities.
We need to move Sanchez on just to deal with his wages. He's also eating up on playing time. The benefit of getting Pepe in is that he's 24 which gives Greenwood and Chong time to develop and take over when Pepe is moved on. With Sancho, I have a feeling that Greenwood and Chong's development may get stifled.
We need to move Sanchez on just to deal with his wages. He's also eating up on playing time. The benefit of getting Pepe in is that he's 24 which gives Greenwood and Chong time to develop and take over when Pepe is moved on. With Sancho, I have a feeling that Greenwood and Chong's development may get stifled.
What budget? Ed Woodward doesn't mind as Sancho will sell him plenty of shirts and contribute to a marketing campaign that "wittily" included Alexis playing the piano.
Those 2 would cost 180-200m. If we were to get Sancho I'd be happy. Alderweireld, Rabiot and Sancho in the window with possibly another mid priced signing. Not convinced Koulibaly is all that for 80m, we can find better value.
Alderweireld 25m
Rabiot Free
Sancho 100m
Lozano or Fernandes 50m
That would be a decent window.
--------------------------DDG----------------------
Dalot----------Alderweireld----Lindelof--------Shaw
-------------------------Rabiot--------------------------
----------------Fred/Fernandes--------------Pogba--------------------
Sancho-----------------Lukaku-------------Lozano/Martial
surely he won the CL means he's no longer that hungry, what a stupid quote.
Bale's talent has never been in doubt, but he never wanted to join us when he had the chance. I don't want players joining that are only coming because they've no other choice.
He's also hugely injury prone and will be on massive wages - another player hard to shift when he fails.
He's also hugely injury prone and will be on massive wages - another player hard to shift when he fails.
Bingo. He’ll also be useless when his pace starts to decline.
Which has already happened arguably. He's still a good passer and can score goals out of nowhere but we will be lucky to get 2 seasons max.
Worryingly though we know Woody has a hard on for Bale, he seems to have tried for him every summer.
Ole has been quite vocal in saying he wants a young option though, I think he wants us to run a lot and press, I can't see Bale doing that anymore.
I actually watched the piece this came from and it was him and Matt Holland doing a dream team for next season and I think it is paraphrased slightly. It doesn't come across as either or exactly when you watch it. Not saying that Phil isn't a bit of a tit at times mind you
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I actually watched the piece this came from and it was him and Matt Holland doing a dream team for next season and I think it is paraphrased slightly. It doesn't come across as either or exactly when you watch it. Not saying that Phil isn't a bit of a tit at times mind you
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