Yes, that's the only part where it's same, rest is completely different.
Think Duncan is just copying numbers from other journalists. Also this 60 million upfront is getting reported by few journalists now, so maybe we are getting closer.
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Yes, that's the only part where it's same, rest is completely different.
Think Duncan is just copying numbers from other journalists. Also this 60 million upfront is getting reported by few journalists now, so maybe we are getting closer.
It seems like they're all piggy backing off Daniel Harris's info but adding their own slant so it doesn't seem obvious.
You can say that again! In all seriousness, I can't disagree with anything you've said.
It's a really interesting market but for clubs like Dortmund who have a model where they buy raw talent, develop and sell at a profit it's an interesting decision point. Do they hold off and gamble on a market recovery? Do United call their bluff?
I can't see this one closing quickly unless United just pay €120m.
You could be right. Spending north of £100m on one player in this market is a pretty ballsy move. Let's see if Ed is willing to do it.
Yeah, that's what I think too. I mean Daniel Harris tweeting this info, then Jan posting about possibility of the deal and Dortmund deadline all adds up. Hopefully we get him before their deadline and work on other targets and offloading players.
Noise coming now seems to be that it’s gonna be 60 upfront.
There’ll probably be 20ish in instalments and another 20 in performance based add ons.
However it gets done, it’s getting done
There’ll probably be 20ish in instalments and another 20 in performance based add ons.
However it gets done, it’s getting done
I don't feel Dortmund is in a complete rush though. The teams who are going to be ones with sizable wage bills and serious liquidity problems (although, can't think of anyone I want to poach off Barca right now who they would see). I feel Dortmund is in a good enough financial position they can gamble on the market changing in their favor. Although, I think this will wrap up soon (at least I hope it does). We will pay more than we want but it will be a discount compared to guys like Felix and Dembele, but not the massive one we were hoping for.
Sancho Saturday, followed by Super Sancho Sunday.....then probably Sancho Monday I think.
In the case of Sancho I don't think they'll gamble on a market recovery because in a years time he'll only have one year left on his contract anyway
That is only partially true. The commercial benefits of football success can be described as a longtail revenue stream. For example, we haven't won much in the last 7 years but we're still a commercial behemoth. It is obvious as well that the good times will come to an end if we don't start winning again but the value of incoming players is not measured purely on their on field impact and trophy winning.
Popular footballers have mass followings on social media and bring their fandom along when they switch clubs. This opens up collaborative sponsorship opportunities which reach far more people than without them and also create local commercial deals far more lucrative. For example, Pogba and Martial are far more interesting for French sponsors and commercial partners than other players we may offer them for a local deal. And the bigger the followership, the more appealing a player is from a strictly commercial perspective.
Obviously there's a strong correlation between a player's on field success + winning track record and their followership + popularity but it is not as much as most think.
Dortmund certainly aren't in financial difficulty as they've just spent £25m + on Bellingham. They're clearly not desperate for cash. But when you invest in assets for resale it's risky in a volatile market.
If assets they value at €120m are suddenly worth €60m in a market that is going to be depressed for a considerable period of time, it will be a huge blow to their model.
I hope United do get it over the line quickly but I just can't see it being that easy. United will see it as an opportunity to pick him up cheaper and Dortmund will be far too shrewd and fleece Ed and his "master negotiator" college buddy.
Dortmund should be thankful that we are offering 60mil as that is about ten times their outlay on him plus we are taking the risk of him performing in a much more demanding league.
I hope the add ons are based on him matching the stats he achieved in Germany and us making Chmps League then I have no problem in us coughing up the extra millions.
I hope the add ons are based on him matching the stats he achieved in Germany and us making Chmps League then I have no problem in us coughing up the extra millions.
They'll gamble if we don't pay-up. But we likely are. I mentioned this in my first post on the topic. Teams will hold if a player is getting priced like he has 1 year left anyway due to the current market. I think this will be done by the end of next week, but we aren't going to get the discount people here are hoping for. It will be a discount compared to Dembele and Joao Felix, but with add-ons, it should still hit 100m Euros, potentially 120m. It will also seem higher because a year ago a Pount traded for about .10c Euro higher. As 100m Pounds is closer to 110m where's last year it was 120. 5 years ago this transfer would only have cost 88.8m to give them the desired 120m, now it costs 108m.
If Dortmund are set firm on them wanting 100mil I doubt many of those instalments will be performance based. Maybe appearances and maybe a goal/assist one but I think it’ll be more when we pay the rest in instalments. Is it 10 mil every window over the next 4 or is it 20 mil over the next 2 or something.
If it is a 60 mil flat fee do we then have say another 90 mil or more to play with this window. Team seems in a good place to properly invest in a few key roles.
I feel this deal is already done now, the question is who is next and what are the targets
I imagine this will be our only business and we certainly can’t be unhappy with that. 
We'll 100% buy at least another player I think.
I’ve said all along if he is the only player we get I’ll be happy. I don’t think there will be loads of moves in the market and rightly so - Covid has drastically reduced the revenue of many teams. We are lucky that we get a lot of money from
Sponsorship.
With the now likelihood of a second wave and no crowds well in to next year, it’s only natural that there is going to be some caution.
Sponsorship.
With the now likelihood of a second wave and no crowds well in to next year, it’s only natural that there is going to be some caution.
If we get Sancho in and get the players that are no use to us off our books I think we will be doing well.
We have the youngest squad in the league so we have plenty of room for improvement and this will be another season to take steps in doing so.
We have the youngest squad in the league so we have plenty of room for improvement and this will be another season to take steps in doing so.
Dortmund must be skint if €60m up front is enough to get them to drop their britches. You’d imagine the remaining €60m probably consists of €10m each summer for the next two seasons, €10m after 50 Premier League appearances, €10m after 20 Premier League goals, €10m for Champions League winners, €10m for Ballon D’Or nomination, €10m/10% sell-on fee etc.
So only €100m guaranteed with other non-guaranteed, aspirational clauses for the other €20m, which anyone here would be gladly pay double if it meant that level of success in Sancho’s time here. Obviously we haven’t a clue about the structure of the deal but the €60m + €60m has been mooted a lot since Harris first broke it so it may have something to it.
Sancho is easily worth a flat €120m in my view but it seems we can take advantage of Dortmund’s precarious financial position with our current offer, and the fact we are the only viable transfer for him this summer. It’s nice to get a win in the transfer market every once in a while instead of being rinsed because we are Manchester United.
So only €100m guaranteed with other non-guaranteed, aspirational clauses for the other €20m, which anyone here would be gladly pay double if it meant that level of success in Sancho’s time here. Obviously we haven’t a clue about the structure of the deal but the €60m + €60m has been mooted a lot since Harris first broke it so it may have something to it.
Sancho is easily worth a flat €120m in my view but it seems we can take advantage of Dortmund’s precarious financial position with our current offer, and the fact we are the only viable transfer for him this summer. It’s nice to get a win in the transfer market every once in a while instead of being rinsed because we are Manchester United.
60m up front is just too good to be true
Would be great obviously as you'd hope it would leave plenty remaining in the warchest for further signings
Would be great obviously as you'd hope it would leave plenty remaining in the warchest for further signings
We need another 2 minimum I think to improve on this season.
Plus, it's hardly stopping Chelsea and City to make moves in the market and if we only get Sancho, we're also getting left behind, again. This summer we won't get a better chance of bringing the gap in quality with our squad, to Liverpool and City.
Also depends on their planning as a club?
If Dortmund are planning one addition this summer (a Sancho replacement) and they have a target €60M might suffice.
This is if FFP is a thing, if they want some of the instalments to go towards wages and so on.
If they were a team like Barca, Madrid they would need to go and buy replacements instantly, a club like Dortmund doesn't really need to (Bayern are just dominant in general as we all know)
This is Messi level. Actually, this might be better than Messi at the same age. Seriously.
Messi played in a dominant Barca team and had much better highlights because other people would take away defenders and score his assists. If Sancho comes to us he will be like that. Messi obviously has demonstrated his worth, Sancho is still mostly potential though he has demonstrated league-best-player form in a top 4 league already. Sancho's awareness, skills and physicality in a less-dominant team seem superior to Messi.
I watched a lot of Dortmund games this season. He is good but a bit wasted in a counter-attacking team (like Messi would be) because while he is fast enough and match-aware enough to be good in the counter-attack, his abilities in a possession team get lost. In a possession team (us post-Bruno), his skills and awareness will be much more valuable.
Actually, he is so good he is wasted as a RW unless he is given full license to roam, a la Messi. He probably also will be a No.10 backup to Bruno but if he is given a chance as a No.10 he will be much, much better than Bruno. This will create major problems for us because he will then want to play there and we will have no RW.
He is so much better than Grealish in that role that we should not even touch Grealish and splurge on a CB and a CDM. We should play Sancho as a backup, and promote Mejbri to get youth options in the Cups and small games.
Messi played in a dominant Barca team and had much better highlights because other people would take away defenders and score his assists. If Sancho comes to us he will be like that. Messi obviously has demonstrated his worth, Sancho is still mostly potential though he has demonstrated league-best-player form in a top 4 league already. Sancho's awareness, skills and physicality in a less-dominant team seem superior to Messi.
I watched a lot of Dortmund games this season. He is good but a bit wasted in a counter-attacking team (like Messi would be) because while he is fast enough and match-aware enough to be good in the counter-attack, his abilities in a possession team get lost. In a possession team (us post-Bruno), his skills and awareness will be much more valuable.
Actually, he is so good he is wasted as a RW unless he is given full license to roam, a la Messi. He probably also will be a No.10 backup to Bruno but if he is given a chance as a No.10 he will be much, much better than Bruno. This will create major problems for us because he will then want to play there and we will have no RW.
He is so much better than Grealish in that role that we should not even touch Grealish and splurge on a CB and a CDM. We should play Sancho as a backup, and promote Mejbri to get youth options in the Cups and small games.
City are getting Torres for just over 20mil and he is a similar age and highly rated.
This is the climate we are in.
This is the climate we are in.
No. Just no.
Sorry, I didn't read your whole post but just wanted to say no to the bolded part.
Pay 120 million and play him as a back up? What kind of thinking is that. If United pay that kind of money, that player must start.
Leaving aside the Messi comparison for obvious reasons: You do realize Dortmund average 58.5% possession? The 7th highest in Europe?
This is the hope. I've said since the season re-started that this window is the one we need to use to bridge the gap, spend as much as physically possible in the areas we need to strengthen, Chelsea have seen the opportunity, I really hope we have.
Like the Bruno transfer? Then it was done pretty quick remember?
Personally, I hope that goes to GreenwoodAre we going to give him the #7 ?
This will be done quick in my opinion, Considering the sagas we've been through over the last couple of years, That's impressive to be honest.
Nope.
The marketing machine of Utd will milk the #7Sancho jersey for all they can
Something smells off with the prices City are paying for players this summer
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Damn you for making me watch that video. That video should come with a warning for containing absolute filth! Filthy stinking porn-like football.
Next level sh*t. I've been avoiding video's, I know how good he is, I'll be feckin heart broken if this doesn't happen.
Fake account buddy
You do realise that transfers cost £ and are dependent on how much we have in reserves? ask Liverpool.
I don’t want club to mortgage for future success just yet: next season should be about consolidation rather than a full assault at the title.
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