Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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Yeah I was quite surprised when I watched him for the first time and realised he's not very fast. He's got good pace though. The thing that separates him from the rest or his x factor for me is his decision making. It's a bit like Messi where he knows exactly the right decision to make. When to pass or shoot or drive into space etc. Sancho has that instinct at a very young age. I think that's part of the reason he's able to play well across the front three.

Decision making will always be what separates the very best. It's why Mbappe is the best young player in the world right now.
 
Sorry i didn't explain what I meant very well even thou his stats are better at the same age as messi and Ronaldo.

This doesn't mean he will be as good as them same with Pele and Zidane, as our different types of players and different eras. what I meant is I believe he will be world class but if he doesn't reach the same level as those players it doesn't mean he is not a work class player.

Also I believe Ronaldo abd Messi are the all time greatest even ahead of Zidane and Pele.

Hope this makes more sense sorry about my previous post.
 
Decision making will always be what separates the very best. It's why Mbappe is the best young player in the world right now.
Speaking of Mbappe I've heard he's been inconsistent this season and can be difficult to watch at times
 
The thing is with our current RW, the output is so low that even if he gets semi decent numbers in the first season, he could be classed as a success.

Him settling in depends on how well the team plays, if the rest of the team is on fire, he will settle quicker however; if we have injuries and bad form, there will be too much pressure on him i reckon.
I would be a bit cautious with expectations, especially around our overall style of play since we have not had a proper winger in a while and have relied on overloading the left wing and middle for a long time. It may take a season to adjust to a new system. I hope not but it's a possibility.
 
I would be a bit cautious with expectations, especially around our overall style of play since we have not had a proper winger in a while and have relied on overloading the left wing and middle for a long time. It may take a season to adjust to a new system. I hope not but it's a possibility.

I agree, spending £80-100m on him would not mean he will get us 20 goals in his first season. This would be an investment on the RW. However, we still have to expect 15 odd goals and assists?
 
Agree with him having a fantastic career. If people remember him when he burst onto the scene and early years at United, he should have been up there with the aforementioned two. He should have been competing for ballon d'or's. This is my opinion.
Agreed.

We all know and love our Rooney. Maybe controversial but I always feel he even had more natural talent than Ronaldo. I actually thought he would win the ballon d'or one day when we signed him. Really wish he had worked a bit harder and took better care of his body.
 
I would be a bit cautious with expectations, especially around our overall style of play since we have not had a proper winger in a while and have relied on overloading the left wing and middle for a long time. It may take a season to adjust to a new system. I hope not but it's a possibility.
Cautious?? I bet it would be like finally taking the weights off after 7 years of wearing it
 
Agreed.

We all know and love our Rooney. Maybe controversial but I always feel he even had more natural talent than Ronaldo. I actually thought he would win the ballon d'or one day when we signed him. Really wish he had worked a bit harder and took better care of his body.

Hard to judge because Ronaldo was a young foreign player coming to play in the PL. It is a very different learning curve.

That said, Ronaldo did everything to enhance his potential, Rooney made many of the typical mistakes to hamper his. If Rooney had the same mentality as Ronaldo, his quality wouldn't have been forgotten by so many. He was incredible.
 
I think he’d fit amazingly well in to this young team. He’s already friends with many members of the squad, especially Rashford who really is our superstar. It wouldn’t be the end of the world if we don’t get him, but we should pull out all the stops to make it happen.
 
That's an interesting take on Sancho. I watched him extensively for England at youth level before he went to Dortmund and he always stood out. You are correct that he isn't as fast as a Hudson-Odoi or as powerful as a Rooney at that age but what he has is world class ability in the final third. He's a level above Rashford and Sterling in terms of finishing, ability to assist and play through balls and general intricate play around the box. The likes of Sterling, Adama Traore and to some extent Rashford have had to develop end product over time. Sancho just has it. It's composure and a brain that works a bit quicker than most.

Of course there is no guarantee how good he could become but he could give United what Salah gave Liverpool or what Sterling gives City. I don't see that so easily with other targets.

So far its fair to call Sancho world class if we compare him to others in his age group. I agree that his decision making and ability to pass is better then Rashford but I’m not sure about finishing.

In the right environment and if he’s willing to give 100% the next couple of years then the chances are high that he will end up in the same level as Salah or KdB. He maybe reminds me a little bit of young Franck Ribéry in his actions but it’s early days. Smooth, easy on the eye and with good vision.

Can he reach the heights of the Frenchman then we hit the jackpot if we buy him.
 
Agreed.

We all know and love our Rooney. Maybe controversial but I always feel he even had more natural talent than Ronaldo. I actually thought he would win the ballon d'or one day when we signed him. Really wish he had worked a bit harder and took better care of his body.

Yea, this is my feeling too.

But going back to my original point, I have a feeling this is what Sancho is like. He just seems to not have that extra little bit of determination, say like even our own Marcus does.

But would I like Sancho at OT? Most definitely, yes.
 
Cautious?? I bet it would be like finally taking the weights off after 7 years of wearing it
I hope so. But at the same time I remember when LvG brought Schneiderlin everybody was saying that his type of midfielder would solve our problems. Before him it was Herrera, etc.

Sometimes the obvious solution just doesn't work.

Again, I'm not saying it won't, just that people should not take it for a certainty.
 
I agree, spending £80-100m on him would not mean he will get us 20 goals in his first season. This would be an investment on the RW. However, we still have to expect 15 odd goals and assists?
Yeah, for such a high amount it's a given to have such expectations as a bare minimum.

Let's hope we are in a position to have those expectations!
 
I hope so. But at the same time I remember when LvG brought Schneiderlin everybody was saying that his type of midfielder would solve our problems. Before him it was Herrera, etc.

Sometimes the obvious solution just doesn't work.

Again, I'm not saying it won't, just that people should not take it for a certainty.
The only thing I fear is that his performance would not match up to the hype. But I'm pretty sure our attack would improve because of him. We evidently got better by adding a semi RW in Daniel James. Sancho who is a more natural right winger and far better is definitely going to make us better.
 
But going back to my original point, I have a feeling this is what Sancho is like. He just seems to not have that extra little bit of determination, say like even our own Marcus does.
I don't know, moving from comfortable home surroundings to a foreign country as a teenager shows plenty of determination imo.
 
I don't know, moving from comfortable home surroundings to a foreign country as a teenager shows plenty of determination imo.

Yea, agree. But sometimes when you get a lot so early, your eye can come off the ball. This is not a personal attack on Jadon, just an observation.
 
I don't know, moving from comfortable home surroundings to a foreign country as a teenager shows plenty of determination imo.
I imagine if he comes to us seeing Rashford would be able to push him to do more based on this interview. Looking at your peers do well is a great motivator too

 
Based on Woodward's comments we are almost certainly not going to splash £ 100m+ on Sancho this summer. Right?
 
Based on Woodward's comments we are almost certainly not going to splash £ 100m+ on Sancho this summer. Right?

I think Woodward was trying to get Dortmund's asking price for Sancho to something like 90m which Dortmund may accept in this market. Sancho is no doubt a good player but is he going to score a tonne of goals in the PL, I'm not too sure about that. I think he may get double figures but I'm not sure if 90m is justifiable. For 90m, we could get 2 really good players.
 
I think Woodward was trying to get Dortmund's asking price for Sancho to something like 90m which Dortmund may accept in this market. Sancho is no doubt a good player but is he going to score a tonne of goals in the PL, I'm not too sure about that. I think he may get double figures but I'm not sure if 90m is justifiable. For 90m, we could get 2 really good players.
90 mil is incredibly justifiable. Woodward will happily cough up £100 million for him, he knows/understands how good of an investment it is, regardless of the current climate.
 
90 mil is incredibly justifiable. Woodward will happily cough up £100 million for him, he knows/understands how good of an investment it is, regardless of the current climate.

Not so sure about this.

Something in our latest financial report indicates that we probably have to sell a little bit before we starts to invest in new expensive players again. Don’t hold your breath to early before you see the likes of Jones, Rojo, Pereira and Sanchez out of our financial books.
 
I'd expect something like £90m with like £40m of add ons in the future.

We'd probably rather pay a bit extra in the long term than lots in the short.
 
I think Woodward was trying to get Dortmund's asking price for Sancho to something like 90m which Dortmund may accept in this market. Sancho is no doubt a good player but is he going to score a tonne of goals in the PL, I'm not too sure about that. I think he may get double figures but I'm not sure if 90m is justifiable. For 90m, we could get 2 really good players.

This I'm unsure of. We might get 2 decent players for 90 mill, but we don't need decent. We need world class. Daniel James is decent/good.

If we want to get back to the absolute elite, "very good" just isn't enough at the moment.
 
This I'm unsure of. We might get 2 decent players for 90 mill, but we don't need decent. We need world class. Daniel James is decent/good.

If we want to get back to the absolute elite, "very good" just isn't enough at the moment.
Exactly it's a bit pointless. For £45m we aren't getting anything better than what James/Greenwood can offer us from the RW.

We don't need squad players now we need first team class.
 
This I'm unsure of. We might get 2 decent players for 90 mill, but we don't need decent. We need world class. Daniel James is decent/good.

If we want to get back to the absolute elite, "very good" just isn't enough at the moment.

if you want proven players and not talents. yes, 90 mill is the current price tag. Same for Kai Havertz, he is having a 80 mill € price tag.
Even Corona wont reduce the prices significantly i guess. at least not for long term contracts like those two currently have.
 
Based on Woodward's comments we are almost certainly not going to splash £ 100m+ on Sancho this summer. Right?
We'll get Sancho if we really want to imo. As far as I know there's not anyone really interested but us. Probably due to the asking price. There's some rumours about Real or Chelsea but very little and I don't think they would spend that much on a teenager. Especially in this Covid climate. And he's English. So both sides are just playing games to hassle over the price I think.
 
It's quite clear we don't need decent. We're at the point where we need an upgrade in our starting 11. Sancho best helps that, not 2 decent players for the same price.
 
Yea, agree. But sometimes when you get a lot so early, your eye can come off the ball. This is not a personal attack on Jadon, just an observation.
Yea it could well happen, would not be the first one to fall prey to such things.

I imagine if he comes to us seeing Rashford would be able to push him to do more based on this interview. Looking at your peers do well is a great motivator too


Indeed, if we can build a good culture here, it could motivate the younger players to push themselves harder. And sorry for the snarky comment earlier :)
 
It's quite clear we don't need decent. We're at the point where we need an upgrade in our starting 11. Sancho best helps that, not 2 decent players for the same price.
Yes and yes. To kick on now we need top players, Sancho fits the bill.

If we can get this signing completed I will be absolutely buzzing for next season, to see how the young core of this team can gel and push each other on.
 
I hope we do get him because our rivals will be strengthening and if we don’t we will be left behind. Liverpool will likely get Werner, Chelsea already have Ziyech and will likely get Coutinho.
 
Sancho's playmaking and wing play with Rashford and Martial in the box and Bruno and Pogba on the edge of the area.

Sounds too good to be true.
 
Sancho's playmaking and wing play with Rashford and Martial in the box and Bruno and Pogba on the edge of the area.

Sounds too good to be true.
You don't remember Schweinsteiger crossing the ball to Falcao who did an overheadkick to the top corner and celebrated with Rooney and Van Persie after that?

Me neither. But have some faith, more ridiculous stuffs have happened in the modern era of ManUnited. Where the club is only limited by Ed Woodward.
 
You don't remember Schweinsteiger crossing the ball to Falcao who did an overheadkick to the top corner and celebrated with Rooney and Van Persie after that?

Me neither. But have some faith, more ridiculous stuffs have happened in the modern era of ManUnited. Where the club is only limited by Ed Woodward.

Aye, if Sancho, Rashford, Martial and co don’t work, just blame Ed.
 
Didn’t we have something like £90 in cash reserves and taken £140 million out of something else ? I get we’re impacted by Covid-19 and some of that money will go towards how we’re impacted but I don’t see how we’re not in a position to sign Sancho as we’re probably talking £60-£70 million up front with another £40-£50 million in add ons so we pay less short term and more than we would have done beforehand over the long term.

It’s clear that Sancho is our number one target and we’ve signed Ighalo on loan so we’re better stocked up front in the short term thus allowing us to put everything into signing Sancho, isn’t there a reason on the financial report side why we sign players in July too ?
 
Didn’t we have something like £90 in cash reserves and taken £140 million out of something else ? I get we’re impacted by Covid-19 and some of that money will go towards how we’re impacted but I don’t see how we’re not in a position to sign Sancho as we’re probably talking £60-£70 million up front with another £40-£50 million in add ons so we pay less short term and more than we would have done beforehand over the long term.

It’s clear that Sancho is our number one target and we’ve signed Ighalo on loan so we’re better stocked up front in the short term thus allowing us to put everything into signing Sancho, isn’t there a reason on the financial report side why we sign players in July too ?
Jesus I didn't know that. Not sure if a football club or a lemonade stand.
 
The reason why its so crucial that we're in the CL next season is not because if we aren't then Sancho wont want to come to United, its because if we aren't then we are 65M pounds poorer and therefore wont be able to afford him. If our theoretical transfer budget was 80M net being in the CL next season, then without CL next season its 15M.
 
The reason why its so crucial that we're in the CL next season is not because if we aren't then Sancho wont want to come to United, its because if we aren't then we are 65M pounds poorer and therefore wont be able to afford him. If our theoretical transfer budget was 80M net being in the CL next season, then without CL next season its 15M.
Really hope that City gets banned, that would help a lot. However I would disagree that our budget would be 15m in any case.
 
if you want proven players and not talents. yes, 90 mill is the current price tag. Same for Kai Havertz, he is having a 80 mill € price tag.
Even Corona wont reduce the prices significantly i guess. at least not for long term contracts like those two currently have.

I don't really care about his price tag. I have no idea how much money we have to spend, market prices or anything like that. I care about bringing in the right players. The valuation of those players is up to the people involved in negotiating the transfers.

I'm all for us buying young talents, but not instead of world class players. The talents should be bought in addition to world class players. Also, the talents we buy should all be in the "world class" category, as Rodrygo and Vinicius in Real Madrid. Luckily, Sancho is both a world class talent and a proven player already.

When we have a squad good enough to challenge for trophies in every tournament, we should focus on maintaining that with young, potentially world class players, with the odd "ready" player bought every now and then. Until then, we need at least two (possibly three) first XI players, who all should be in the world class category.
 
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