Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

[MalcolmTucker]

Look at this one:


Giggs claiming James being the fastest player he had ever seen, also watching Bale every day, not evidence enough? I think it is clear that he is a fair bit faster in terms of acceleration than Bale and at least matches him for top speed. I actually think the runs Bale made against Inter are hyped. Maicon was just coming back from injury, and in later matches, Maicon pretty much matched Bale. Bale was very fast for sure though.

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/opta-data-highlights-the-fastest-player-at-man-utd-this-season

Rashford reaching a higher top speed than James.

Maybe James' top speed is faster than Bale, I'm just yet to see it for United. Anyway it's immaterial to the thread so best we just agree to disagree and move on to discussing Sancho.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

No mucking about, get this deal done Woody!

 

[laughtersassassin]

Getting this done this summer is priory number 1 this summer for me.

Then next on the agenda is getting Grealish or someone like him of Pogba goes.

 

[Rozay]

Getting this done this summer is priory number 1 this summer for me.

Then next on the agenda is getting Grealish or someone like him of Pogba goes.

And what if Pogba doesn’t go? What do you think should be next on our list? I’m torn between DM and centre half personally, although that depends on a number of factors like who is available and who we can shift. We need to get rid of some centre halves before we bring one in for sure.

I’m starting to think that RW, DM and CB are all that’s left in the starting XI to mount a serious challenge on all fronts. If Pogba goes, I expect him to be replaced so I don’t count CM as an area to fix yet.

 

[Rolaholic]

No mucking about, get this deal done Woody!

So do we Rash, so do we

Would easily make for our most exciting attack since Tevez - Rooney - Ronaldo

 

[DWelbz19]

And what if Pogba doesn’t go? What do you think should be next on our list? I’m torn between DM and centre half personally, although that depends on a number of factors like who is available and who we can shift. We need to get rid of some centre halves before we bring one in for sure.

I’m starting to think that RW, DM and CB are all that’s left in the starting XI to mount a serious challenge on all fronts. If Pogba goes, I expect him to be replaced so I don’t count CM as an area to fix yet.

My personal order of priority is similar.

Sancho > CB > DM. If possible, maybe a LB, but I think that’ll be a next next summer job.

 

[Rozay]

My personal order of priority is similar.

Sancho > CB > DM. If possible, maybe a LB, but I think that’ll be a next next summer job.

If we got those three right, we’d be as good as any, providing we don’t suffer the same luck with injuries again.

 

[NoPace]

My personal order of priority is similar.

Sancho > CB > DM. If possible, maybe a LB, but I think that’ll be a next next summer job.

Agreed on CB going ahead of AM/CM/DM because we'd have Bruno, Pogba and Fred starting with McTominay and Matic able to come in and if Bruno is missing Sancho can just play as a 10 with James or Greenwood coming in at RW with at least one of them probably improving next year considering their ages and promising qualities, or we could even go 4-4-2 with Sancho and James on the wings and 2 of Rashford/Martial/Greenwood starting up top.

 

[groovyalbert]

Given everything that's going on, I find it hard to envision how massive transfers like this will be able to take place.

 

[laughtersassassin]

And what if Pogba doesn’t go? What do you think should be next on our list? I’m torn between DM and centre half personally, although that depends on a number of factors like who is available and who we can shift. We need to get rid of some centre halves before we bring one in for sure.

I’m starting to think that RW, DM and CB are all that’s left in the starting XI to mount a serious challenge on all fronts. If Pogba goes, I expect him to be replaced so I don’t count CM as an area to fix yet.

If Pogba doesn't go id go for a DM over Grealish. If he does go I'd go get Grealish and a DM

So for me Sancho DM priorities with Pogba

Sancho Grealish DM without Pogba.

If Pogba goes and we don't buy someone creative to replace him then we are idiots and will have fecked Bruno over. He can't do it all.

I'm not mentioning strokers cause I think it's safe to assume we will just buy Igalho and for after a striker the season after

 

[Isotope]

No mucking about, get this deal done Woody!

I also want us to sign Messi and VvD. Get this deal done Woody!

 

[r0663664]

Every team would have financial issues including Utd. If I was Woody, I would take this opportunity to reduce pay of the players in order to save money to bring in Sancho. If Woody doesn’t think ahead, how can we afford to buy Sancho? It is almost impossible! I can imagine Italy and Spain will be hit hard financially, Germany would not be as bad. Real, Barcelona, Juventus, Inter might be selling it’s best players to boast their bottom line. I don’t think they will funded by their owners with money running out.

 

[Tarrou]

Given everything that's going on, I find it hard to envision how massive transfers like this will be able to take place.

Yeah, and certainly whilst there is no definitive restart date for football

Imagine signing a player on 300k a week and they don’t play a game for a year

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

I also want us to sign Messi and VvD. Get this deal done Woody!

No thank you.

Messi - too old, the guy is going to be 33 in July. We aren’t a retirement home.

VvD - Vickie Van Dyke? Why the hell would we waste money on a jazz singer?

 

[Dave Smith]

I just do not see Sancho moving this Summer now. I say this for the following reasons:

1) As rich as Utd are, if the season gets voided and the TV money only drops 25% that still leaves a big black hole. Further their are questions about the Adidas deal if no CL next season and no one knows how much longer this Covid thing is going to be around for. I just do not see how a club blows £100-120m on a fee then guarantee £300k pw in this environment. That is a minimum of £178m on a five year contract. If it does happen it would be a massive risk and some may even say reckless.

2) The Euros have been pushed back a year and Sancho will be eyeing those as a huge platform to promote his 'brand'. If he stays at Dortmund he is one of the first names on the team sheet. If he moves there are no guarantees if he does not hit the ground running. Further the Bundesliga is a decent league so it is not vital he move leagues to improve.

3) Negotiating a wage in this environment is going to be tough. At the moment he currently earns €200k, so it is not like he is on a youth contract. Further, after another year at Dortmund he would only have one year left, which would lower his fee, thus giving him a bigger signing on fee and contract negotiations would be in a more stable place.

Honestly, I see no upside for Sancho moving to England this Summer unless he is desperate to be close to family, at which point I am not sure he would even pick Utd as he is from S.London and an open Chelsea fan.

 

[SpyLuke10]

If Pogba doesn't go id go for a DM over Grealish. If he does go I'd go get Grealish and a DM

So for me Sancho DM priorities with Pogba

Sancho Grealish DM without Pogba.

If Pogba goes and we don't buy someone creative to replace him then we are idiots and will have fecked Bruno over. He can't do it all.

I'm not mentioning strokers cause I think it's safe to assume we will just buy Igalho and for after a striker the season after

spot on. im confused as to why some here reckon we need a centre back more than we need a DM. RW and DM are the two main holes in our squad. And Pogba leaving as you said would leave a big Grealish-sized hole.

 

[P-Nut]

I just do not see Sancho moving this Summer now. I say this for the following reasons:

1) As rich as Utd are, if the season gets voided and the TV money only drops 25% that still leaves a big black hole. Further their are questions about the Adidas deal if no CL next season and no one knows how much longer this Covid thing is going to be around for. I just do not see how a club blows £100-120m on a fee then guarantee £300k pw in this environment. That is a minimum of £178m on a five year contract. If it does happen it would be a massive risk and some may even say reckless.

2) The Euros have been pushed back a year and Sancho will be eyeing those as a huge platform to promote his 'brand'. If he stays at Dortmund he is one of the first names on the team sheet. If he moves there are no guarantees if he does not hit the ground running. Further the Bundesliga is a decent league so it is not vital he move leagues to improve.

3) Negotiating a wage in this environment is going to be tough. At the moment he currently earns €200k, so it is not like he is on a youth contract. Further, after another year at Dortmund he would only have one year left, which would lower his fee, thus giving him a bigger signing on fee and contract negotiations would be in a more stable place.

Honestly, I see no upside for Sancho moving to England this Summer unless he is desperate to be close to family, at which point I am not sure he would even pick Utd as he is from S.London and an open Chelsea fan.

Part of the reason for moving would be guaranteeing himself a starting spot at those euros.

It would seem he should be starting anyways, but with Rashford - Kane - Sterling as the main front 3 at present it's not a given he'll be first name on the team sheet.

Moving to United and performing at the same level he is now would likely see him starting much more regularly.

I don't think wages would be as much of a problem either. The transfer window will most likely be pushed back to finish just before the new season starts anyways.

The main point I can see causing an issue is finances, but that all depends on how much of an impact this has on the sponsorship deals, which should be the same across the board for most clubs.

 

[Adnan]

Part of the reason for moving would be guaranteeing himself a starting spot at those euros.

It would seem he should be starting anyways, but with Rashford - Kane - Sterling as the main front 3 at present it's not a given he'll be first name on the team sheet.

Moving to United and performing at the same level he is now would likely see him starting much more regularly.

I don't think wages would be as much of a problem either. The transfer window will most likely be pushed back to finish just before the new season starts anyways.

The main point I can see causing an issue is finances, but that all depends on how much of an impact this has on the sponsorship deals, which should be the same across the board for most clubs.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

If Pogba doesn't go id go for a DM over Grealish. If he does go I'd go get Grealish and a DM

So for me Sancho DM priorities with Pogba

Sancho Grealish DM without Pogba.

If Pogba goes and we don't buy someone creative to replace him then we are idiots and will have fecked Bruno over. He can't do it all.

I'm not mentioning strokers cause I think it's safe to assume we will just buy Igalho and for after a striker the season after

My thoughts exactly. I think the line up with Pogba would be

Rashford......Martial........Sancho

.....................Bruno..................

........Pogba.............Fred.............

Bench - Romero, Williams, Mctominay, James, Zakaria, Ighalo, Baily

Without Pogba

Rashford......Martial........Sancho

.....................Bruno..................

...... Zakaria.............Fred.............


Bench - Romero, Williams, Mctominay, James, Grealish, Ighalo, Baily

I'd definitely prefer the first formation because it's more quality but the second is more balanced.

 

[RkkMan]

I just do not see Sancho moving this Summer now. I say this for the following reasons:

1) As rich as Utd are, if the season gets voided and the TV money only drops 25% that still leaves a big black hole. Further their are questions about the Adidas deal if no CL next season and no one knows how much longer this Covid thing is going to be around for. I just do not see how a club blows £100-120m on a fee then guarantee £300k pw in this environment. That is a minimum of £178m on a five year contract. If it does happen it would be a massive risk and some may even say reckless.

2) The Euros have been pushed back a year and Sancho will be eyeing those as a huge platform to promote his 'brand'. If he stays at Dortmund he is one of the first names on the team sheet. If he moves there are no guarantees if he does not hit the ground running. Further the Bundesliga is a decent league so it is not vital he move leagues to improve.

3) Negotiating a wage in this environment is going to be tough. At the moment he currently earns €200k, so it is not like he is on a youth contract. Further, after another year at Dortmund he would only have one year left, which would lower his fee, thus giving him a bigger signing on fee and contract negotiations would be in a more stable place.

Honestly, I see no upside for Sancho moving to England this Summer unless he is desperate to be close to family, at which point I am not sure he would even pick Utd as he is from S.London and an open Chelsea fan.

1. We are one of the few clubs that can withstand the crisis COVID will bring if you`ve read the latest Mail article showing our finances. We`ve been after Sancho for a while we obviously know what`s supposed to be paid and this is unlikely to change from a one off situation. And while the Bundesliga is decent the PL is better and if he is as ambitious as it`s being stated he knows killing it in the PL will increase his profile much higher as a footballer and Englishman.
2. He`s already a starter for England the Euros being pushed won`t change that nor will a change of leagues. If anything coming to the PL will give him a bigger spotlight and he`ll have much more viewers.
3. The Glazers have recently given Tom Brady a ridiculous contract at Tampa Bay one of the biggest NFL names. Highly doubt our owners care whether other people will think they are being "reckless"
Sancho being a boyhood Chelsea fan means jackshit. John Terry was a Utd fan and ended up being Chelsea`s greatest ever captain. Sterling was a Utd fan and has played for 2 of our biggest rivals. Lukaku idolised Drogba growing up but he rejected Chelsea for us in 2017. Ramsey was a Utd fan but rejected us for Arsenal. Sancho will go where he feels is best for him from a footballing and financial perspective.

 

[ivaldo]

This will be lost when the next bout of 'Glazers are financially crippling the club,' comes around.

 

[P-Nut]

Cheers, emphasises the point of why I expect this to get done really

 

[groovyalbert]

This will be lost when the next bout of 'Glazers are financially crippling the club,' comes around.

Yup - we will almost certainly be used to offset their losses from this. No doubt about it.

 

[Dave Smith]

1. We are one of the few clubs that can withstand the crisis COVID will bring if you`ve read the latest Mail article showing our finances. We`ve been after Sancho for a while we obviously know what`s supposed to be paid and this is unlikely to change from a one off situation. And while the Bundesliga is decent the PL is better and if he is as ambitious as it`s being stated he knows killing it in the PL will increase his profile much higher as a footballer and Englishman.
2. He`s already a starter for England the Euros being pushed won`t change that nor will a change of leagues. If anything coming to the PL will give him a bigger spotlight and he`ll have much more viewers.
3. The Glazers have recently given Tom Brady a ridiculous contract at Tampa Bay one of the biggest NFL names. Highly doubt our owners care whether other people will think they are being "reckless"
Sancho being a boyhood Chelsea fan means jackshit. John Terry was a Utd fan and ended up being Chelsea`s greatest ever captain. Sterling was a Utd fan and has played for 2 of our biggest rivals. Lukaku idolised Drogba growing up but he rejected Chelsea for us in 2017. Ramsey was a Utd fan but rejected us for Arsenal. Sancho will go where he feels is best for him from a footballing and financial perspective.

1) Do not get me wrong. Utd are one of the best positionedclubs to ride this thing out due to the commercial revenue, l that is not what I am questioning. However, depending on what you believe there is potentially a £25m hit coming for the kit deal (not sure if the two years out of the CL will count in this situation) and a reduction in TV. Last accounts showed that TV was worth approximately £250m, if that get reduced by 25% that would be a £62.5m hit. Further, no players will be moving so all the contracts we are currently on the hook for will have to be paid and cannot be offset unless the club start terminating contracts.

2) Moving clubs is always a risk. At the moment he looks like a home run, however that cannot be assured. If you look at the biggest transfers, they usually always take place after a Euro/World Cup as that gives the player two years before they have to worry for their place again.

3) You are comparing apples and oranges with TB12 and the NFL. Firstly, the NFL run a salary cap which means that owners only have to lay out $200m a year maximum in wages. Utd's wage bill is £332m (before BF) or $390m+. Further, TB12's contract is $60m for two years with $50m guaranteed, that is £51m/£42m in total compared to £174m for Sancho on a five year deal. The NFL also only runs from Sept to Feb so all their current seasons finances are secure and next season looks like it can still be fitted in, even if there is a bit of a delay. Lastly, TB12 is the biggest NFL shirt seller in the world, his signing is like signing Messi or CR7.

4) As for the London/Chelsea part I did add the caveat of saying that because of the reasons I outlined in my previous post, the only reason I could see him wanting to move this Summer is for family reasons. However, if he was desperate to return to England, he surely would choose to move to London as that where he hails from.

 

[RkkMan]

1) Do not get me wrong. Utd are one of the best positionedclubs to ride this thing out due to the commercial revenue, l that is not what I am questioning. However, depending on what you believe there is potentially a £25m hit coming for the kit deal (not sure if the two years out of the CL will count in this situation) and a reduction in TV. Last accounts showed that TV was worth approximately £250m, if that get reduced by 25% that would be a £62.5m hit. Further, no players will be moving so all the contracts we are currently on the hook for will have to be paid and cannot be offset unless the club start terminating contracts.

2) Moving clubs is always a risk. At the moment he looks like a home run, however that cannot be assured. If you look at the biggest transfers, they usually always take place after a Euro/World Cup as that gives the player two years before they have to worry for their place again.

3) You are comparing apples and oranges with TB12 and the NFL. Firstly, the NFL run a salary cap which means that owners only have to lay out $200m a year maximum in wages. Utd's wage bill is £332m (before BF) or $390m+. Further, TB12's contract is $60m for two years with $50m guaranteed, that is £51m/£42m in total compared to £174m for Sancho on a five year deal. The NFL also only runs from Sept to Feb so all their current seasons finances are secure and next season looks like it can still be fitted in, even if there is a bit of a delay. Lastly, TB12 is the biggest NFL shirt seller in the world, his signing is like signing Messi or CR7.

4) As for the London/Chelsea part I did add the caveat of saying that because of the reasons I outlined in my previous post, the only reason I could see him wanting to move this Summer is for family reasons. However, if he was desperate to return to England, he surely would choose to move to London as that where he hails from.

1. Every club will be hit with a small financial loss that`s a fact and the relaxation of FFP by UEFA means any strain we would have on spending is removed so the losses won`t have a big effect especially because for a club like Utd it`s not an anomaly like it will be for most clubs.
2. It`s been reported in Germany that Sancho does want to leave and it`s why they haven`t been able to extend his contract which has 2 years left in this instance the Euros likely bears little significance.
3. Fair enough on this point but it doesn`t change the fact that affordability for Sancho won`t be as problematic as you are stating. We`ve tracked him hard since he was at City and by now we know the financial implications. If he was unaffordable we would have already walked away like Liverpool fact that we are still after him shows we know what he will cost and have a plan for that.
4. We don`t know what Sancho is personally thinking in regards to wanting a move but he used to play for City so Manchester isn`t a new environment he needs to adapt to so the London argument still isn`t that strong. Plus there are questions whether Chelsea can even afford him on top of all the multiple signings they are planning to make especially with the financial crisis COVID will bring.

 

[DWelbz19]

 

[2 man midfield]

This is great because it’s United, but it used to piss me right off when Real used to do it

“[Insert star player here] is a brilliant player, and should definitely consider moving to Real Madrid. He won’t regret it, I can promise him that. But then I don’t want to speak about another teams player...”

 

[Brightonian]

This is great because it’s United, but it used to piss me right off when Real used to do it

“[Insert star player here] is a brilliant player, and should definitely consider moving to Real Madrid. He won’t regret it, I can promise him that. But then I don’t want to speak about another teams player...”

Haha yeah, Barca do it too. Maybe we should get someone to force a United shirt over his head.

 

[Adnan]

 

[Adnan]

 

[dwd]

Is he the reliable one for German football? It's hard to keep track.

 

[Adnan]

Is he the reliable one for German football? It's hard to keep track.

He's good for German football IMO.

 

[unplayable]

Is he the reliable one for German football? It's hard to keep track.

Wouldn't really say so.

 

[-Supreme-]

Dortmund are desperate to sell him with Sancho's contract running out in 2022, last chance to sell him for a high price

If no other clubs are interested / can afford him then I wouldn't be surprised to see him sold for £70-80m plus add-ons.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

‘’Go all in”. At least the club & the manager know that they need new winger/wide forward and it’s priority above any other position. Glad we didn’t try to be stingy and trying to share the money on multiple position. Quality over quantity.

 

[ValenciasDrilledCrosses]

‘’Go all in”. At least the club & the manager know that they need new winger/wide forward and it’s priority above any other position. Glad we didn’t try to be stingy and trying to share the money on multiple position. Quality over quantity.

I will cry with joy once we finally sign a right winger (especially if it's Sancho, best player available) it's absolutely ridiculous this problem hasn't been fixed since Nani and Valencia were playing there. A blind man could see the hole we've had there the past few seasons which makes us so much easier to defend. James has done a fine job deputizing there but wow Sancho would transform so much about our attack.

 

[dwd]

Wouldn't really say so.

What's he got wrong?

 

[Thiagoal]

Can any youngsters shed any light on this tweet?

 

[DWelbz19]

Can any youngsters shed any light on this tweet?

Tory Lanez is an R&B singer who has been doing lots of Instagram lives playing lots of hip-hop/R&B music, and having jokes, with his Instagram live monikered “Quarantine Radio”. He’s had lots of other big hip-hop/R&B stars join him on there like Drake, The Weeknd, Chris Brown etc.

Rashford and Sancho have just seemingly joined one of the lives to get in on the fun.

 

[Thiagoal]

Tory Lanez is an R&B singer who has been doing lots of Instagram lives playing lots of hip-hop/R&B music, and having jokes, with his Instagram live monikered “Quarantine Radio”. He’s had lots of other big hip-hop/R&B stars join him on there like Drake, The Weeknd, Chris Brown etc.

Rashford and Sancho have just seemingly joined one of the lives to get in on the fun.

Cheers! So basically proving how tight they are as mates! Can’t be a bad thing!