What are you talking about, Sancho is an unproven player? He is easily their best player, and just had 2 worldclass seasons. His goals+assists stats last season is only second to Messi, the GOAT. They are only beaten by Bayern in the league, the current CL and treble winner who is undefeated in Europe this season. Bear in mind they sold Dembele to Barca for 145m not long ago. They are asking 105m for Sancho, who is younger and better, is actually a steal.
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Is this all legit? Saw a spelling mistake in the first few lines so not sure.I'm a Sancho optimist but I have to admit, reading the below has drained all of the optimism out of me, if true...
https://medium.com/football-bureau-of-investigation/jadon-sancho-the-circus-strategy-2904b788999e
The clubs PR team is hilarious. They have excuses ready for EVERY signing they don't make and we see journo's always briefing we were never interested in such and such whenever a rival club makes a signing.
Whether fans even wanted the player or not, they make it out like they can get anyone if they really want them, anyone except Sancho apparently
Whether fans even wanted the player or not, they make it out like they can get anyone if they really want them, anyone except Sancho apparently
Just playing devil's advocate - in 18/19 his stats are remarkably similar to a certain Armenian playing in that same side.
I agree his 19/20 has been excellent, but it's one season in the Bundesliga, for what would become a record signing fee.
Using the Dembele fee - which I'm sure 99% of football experts lament as a huge, inexcusable disaster of a transfer which is now ruining the club that did it - as precedence seems pretty silly.
The clubs PR team is hilarious. They have excuses ready for EVERY signing they don't make and we see journo's always briefing we were never interested in such and such whenever a rival club makes a signing.
Whether fans even wanted the player or not, they make it out like they can get anyone if they really want them, anyone except Sancho apparently
Sancho costs over 100M pounds of money. It's a big transfer. Likes of Reguilon was just 1/5 of that. VDB was signed pretty much swiftly too
Interesting reading!I'm a Sancho optimist but I have to admit, reading the below has drained all of the optimism out of me, if true...
https://medium.com/football-bureau-of-investigation/jadon-sancho-the-circus-strategy-2904b788999e
I'm a Sancho optimist but I have to admit, reading the below has drained all of the optimism out of me, if true...
https://medium.com/football-bureau-of-investigation/jadon-sancho-the-circus-strategy-2904b788999e
Excellent Analysis. Makes sense on why we go through a protracted transfer saga most of the times.
That’s sad if true, we have zero chance of signing Sancho, and won’t spend big this summer.I'm a Sancho optimist but I have to admit, reading the below has drained all of the optimism out of me, if true...
https://medium.com/football-bureau-of-investigation/jadon-sancho-the-circus-strategy-2904b788999e
The numbers depicted in the graph of club's revenue are close to those mentioned in budgeting reports.
Check the numbers and not the spellings for determining legitemacy.
Well I was more interested in the covenants referred to in the article. Is there any evidence to back those up?
I’m not being funny but spelling mistakes do tend to make me question how well informed someone is (especially when someone has gone to the trouble of publishing the article online).
Well Joao Felix went to Athletico for 113m last summer after one good season in Portugal, do you think he is better than Sancho?
I'm a Sancho optimist but I have to admit, reading the below has drained all of the optimism out of me, if true...
https://medium.com/football-bureau-of-investigation/jadon-sancho-the-circus-strategy-2904b788999e
Fake news article.
I'm a Sancho optimist but I have to admit, reading the below has drained all of the optimism out of me, if true...
https://medium.com/football-bureau-of-investigation/jadon-sancho-the-circus-strategy-2904b788999e
Not really convinced by the conclusion. I don't think that lack of outgoings is ineptitude. It's brinksmanship. Buying clubs are trying to low ball us (see Smalling). What that article tells me is that don't expect much business either way until the final week of the window. Actually, simple common sense told everyone that from the outset.
What have '5 signings' City or Liverpool done this window? City have signed two discount players from financially compromised clubs and Liverpool have signed a left back no one has ever heard of. We've actually done higher profile business than both those clubs.
It's pretty clear that most clubs are being very cautious.
I'm a Sancho optimist but I have to admit, reading the below has drained all of the optimism out of me, if true...
https://medium.com/football-bureau-of-investigation/jadon-sancho-the-circus-strategy-2904b788999e
Very interesting read. Puts many things that were hard to understand in this transfer window into context, I believe. Will be interesting to see what United will do once they've sorted the situation out.
If that article is true we're not far away from bankruptcy.
For the life of me I can’t understand our stance regarding Sancho.
Dortmund don’t want, nor need to sell, and they’ve now been backed into a corner regarding the fee where anything less than the €120 Million will make them look bad in the eyes of their fans.
Either pay it, or move on.
Dortmund don’t want, nor need to sell, and they’ve now been backed into a corner regarding the fee where anything less than the €120 Million will make them look bad in the eyes of their fans.
Either pay it, or move on.
a) normal went out the window with Covid, the club has to accept making losses for the duration of the pandemic
b) they aren't burning the Sancho money, they are just postponing the sale for another season instead of doing it on unsatisfactory terms
I’ve been trying to explain this all Summer. But we also have so many financially literate fans who insist we can ‘just pay the money’ because ‘we are Manchester United’ and any fan who explains the reality of our COVID-19 finances is a ‘Glazer Stoodge’.
It’s possible to hate the Glazress and understand the constraints of our balance sheet at the same time!
The club probably has, it’s the media and fans who are talking not the club.
I understand the point of the article.I'm a Sancho optimist but I have to admit, reading the below has drained all of the optimism out of me, if true...
https://medium.com/football-bureau-of-investigation/jadon-sancho-the-circus-strategy-2904b788999e
But while they talk about us having financial uncertainties and therefore hesitating, what about BVB? Are they not hesitating? No financial uncertainty? How? That's the part I don't understand. Everyone wants to tell us we have no money and we fear for the future. But surely the same should apply to all football clubs in the world.
Not saying we will get Sancho, or not. I hope we get him. It's just unfortunate that it's so hard for us to get a deal.
Damn that bad ?
Pretty sure we'd be sold long before going bankrupt. In fact, id say at the first sign of the club losing the Glazers quite a bit of money, they'd sell.
Well if we're cherry picking outliers, can I chose 2 extreme bargains to illustrate my point? I'll see your Dembele and Felix and raise you a Robertson and Brandt.
As other sensible posters are pointing out, there aren't 100m deals being done this summer like there have been in pre-covid days.
You two points combined push towards the only option for clubs is to borrow money. Which is probably what will happen, but if I were the board and the options were sell a player now, in uncertain times for 100m or have to go to banks to negotiate loans in order to pay wages, I know which I would pick.
Businesses can't just 'accept making losses' for an uncertain duration of time.
Robertson was talented, but played for a relegated team and wasn't exactly touted as a potential world class player. Very good scouting, but not a sure thing. Brandt had a release clause. Neither close to being similar to one of the best players in the world at 20 years old, with 3 years on his contract.
I just don’t see how this can be done if Sancho is not going to play his part and push for the move even a little bit.
Because unlike united, Dortmund don't have an apparent possible breach of covenant by not selling.
Whether or not that covenant does exist, breaching it if real would be seriously unwise.
Its a shame that the fans pay the ultimate price. We just want to see our club making big moves but extremely poor greedy businessmen have stomped on it.
While i understand we maybe can not just pay the money, it still stings that its come to this.
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This is ultimately why I think he won't come.
We caved for Maguire cause we had the money. We aren't going cave for Sancho. Not because we don't want to but because we simply can't afford to.
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As I said before excitement took over me, I never even expected him to be a target this summer. I looked at our account statements and I just couldn't see how would do it. People forget we have about £120m net payables due over the next few months with little coming in.I'm a Sancho optimist but I have to admit, reading the below has drained all of the optimism out of me, if true...
https://medium.com/football-bureau-of-investigation/jadon-sancho-the-circus-strategy-2904b788999e
This is ultimately why I think he won't come.
We caved for Maguire cause we had the money. We aren't going cave for Sancho. Not because we don't want to but because we simply can't afford to.
Whilst there may well be financial concerns affecting our ability to make transfers, that article is nonsense given it turns on the EBTIDA, and transfer fees are always amortised over the length of the contracts. As for wage concerns, we've cleared Sanchez's wages off the books which would more than cover De Beek and Sancho
It may be likely we want him but not for 120m eur.
It's also a fair consideration that Dortmund would succumb to a lower fee at the end of the window. So we will just need to wait and see.
If they do it pays off. If they don't, what exactly have we lost? It's a route we want to pursue to our own limit. I don't have an issue with this.
I don't necessarily disagree but the Grealish, Bale part is something the media assumes and adds for clickbait and to justify their constant barrage of articles.
Never has the club commented anything of the sorts and all the "close to the club" journalists have been proven clueless many times already.
What are you talking about? I am just listing all the best young talented players on the move in recent years. There are not many of them, but they are all in big transfer fee: Mbappe (180m), Dembele (145m), Joao Felix (113m), and guess what? Sancho has comparable stats/performanes, if not better, than all 3 of them. Do you really expect me to name another 10 similar ones in past 3 years? There are only few very talented ones around and available in the market, and I've listed them all!
Are you are seriously comparing Robertson and Brandt at their previous club with Sancho at Dortmund? You don't really rate Sancho at all?
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No other club is contemplating a £100m signing! No other non sugar daddy club is spending.
This.
I know, exceptional circumstances, I was merely pointing out that Dembele could hardly be used as a yardstick for a Sancho fee, because that transfer is not 'normal'.
Until United submit an official bid, what do you expect him to do?
Sancho has no connection to our club, he came thru Watford before joining city. He has a friendship with Rashford, which I’m sure helps but the fact he hasn’t agitated for a move at this might suggest he’s not that bothered waiting for more English suitors next year.
Also can he really trust our club to automatically qualify for champions league or make a legitimate title challenge based on our recent history? We aren’t the gold standard anymore meaning we have to overpay at times to get what we want.
Also can he really trust our club to automatically qualify for champions league or make a legitimate title challenge based on our recent history? We aren’t the gold standard anymore meaning we have to overpay at times to get what we want.
What kind of deal do you think we can afford? What is Woodward’s best bid?
But the article didn't name the transfer fee as the problem. Of course you could activate the fee but the 65m pound profit would be in danger because Sancho would increase your wage bill so drastically that you couldn't afford it without getting other players off the books. And the salaries can't be activated after IFRS if I'm not mistaken.
Also, what about agent fees? Are they considered part of the transfer fee, e.g. could you activate Sancho for 120m pound if you paid Dortmund 108m and the intermediary another 12m?
This could explaine the differing reports regarding United having reached an agreement on personal terms.
For one other clubs aren't spending big either and secondly the article is making the point that unlike say Dortmund United can't just say they'll take the losses, because they signed obligations to constantly post profits.
However even if all this is true everyone is aware of the current pandemic and United wouldn't be the first to get cut some slack from their creditors.
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