Did I not say tactical reasons? We don’t play false 10 normally so maybe that’s not really what we want to do?
Jadon Sancho (Out)
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An absolute lack of planning. Look at ETH first season, had to get smashed off Brentford to get some money spent. We’d been looking at Arnoutovic and the likes the week before.
Look at any time we’ve got in the CL the Glazers have closed the purse strings. They spend reactively as they’d always rather not. We end up with a manager who can’t do the job, a misfit group of players that we can’t shift as they have a value on the balance sheet.
Absolutely the worst run club in the country…hopefully SJR has enough control and will to make a difference…he’s kept the glazers here single handedly
That's very unfair on Sanchez. Alexis was a fabulous player who had always given his 100% wherever he went. I had followed the guy since his Udinese days and he was consistently in my wish list because he represented everything a top player should have (ie talent, work rate, versatility and attitude). At United things went south because years of wear and tear made him not good enough for us especially when considering the silly salary we gave him. Sanchez is closer to 2nd coming Ronaldo ie a professional who came to United at the wrong end of his career
Sancho is different. He's a lazy player with a wrong attitude. If Sanchez is a Ronaldo then Sancho is more of a Pogba.
I think he has a toxic entourage like the one Pogba had who tell him what he wants to hear and they were all banking on an early Ten Hag sack hoping that a new manager would come in and tolerate his antics. It has backfired spectacularly and the fans have turned on him so a January move is all he has to hope for.
I hope when the time comes we insist on a high loan fee with no wage contribution from us. Make it as hard as possible for him to get a move and stick him to the reserves until he moves by taking a massive paycut. We need to lay down a marker and unfortunately he is the one with the best case to make an example of. Make it clear that it's going to cost him big money to play professional football again.
Errr…Sanchez was abysmal for us and gave performances worse than Sancho. Neither have done anything and both are more than rumoured to have caused issues for managers to deal with.
Sancho and Pogba have no similarities.
65m! Crikey .. I'll admit I hadn't added it up.
It takes a big man to apologise, which obviously isn't Sancho.
Sanchez said he tried forcing his way back to Arsenal after his first training session here. Not exactly the ringing endorsement of a professional.
Ronaldo was only a professional in how he looked after his body as well. He contributed to a toxic dressing room culture and was a nightmare for the manager(s) to deal with for almost the entirety of his second stint with us because he's such a cnut. Piers Morgan interview case in point.
Sanchez was shot at that point. That style of game tend to cut someone's career short. Pogba and sancho are both very talented players who allowed the dazzle outside the pitch taking their focus from the game
Clearly..... don't think ETH comes out of this looking like a big man either. A strict man, a principled man..... a stubborn man?
I think they are both ego driven idiots on this one. Sancho had a point about favourites, ETH had a point about application. The best managers still make it work, during and after the issues.
Nice... This has made my day Top Red.
It's funny that the Sánchez comparison reappears. Sánchez arrived from a transfer swap (meaning he didn't cost the club anything but an expendable player), was on similar wages, stayed for a year and a half, played 45 games contributing 5 goals and 9 assists and went out calmly on loan first (while renouncing to a significant amount of his wages) and on a permanent transfer later.
In comparison Sancho's initial cost was 85M, has been at United for two years and a half, playing 82 games contributing 12 goals and 6 assists, wasn't available for three months of his second season and now four months of his third, while being a nightmare to deal with and a PR disaster.
Then you'd also have to consider that Sánchez hit the ground running winning pretty much everything everywhere before and after United (in Chile, Argentina, Italy, France, England and Spain, in clubs and NT), while Sancho (even though he had a very promising career before United) hasn't yet.
In comparison Sancho's initial cost was 85M, has been at United for two years and a half, playing 82 games contributing 12 goals and 6 assists, wasn't available for three months of his second season and now four months of his third, while being a nightmare to deal with and a PR disaster.
Then you'd also have to consider that Sánchez hit the ground running winning pretty much everything everywhere before and after United (in Chile, Argentina, Italy, France, England and Spain, in clubs and NT), while Sancho (even though he had a very promising career before United) hasn't yet.
What do you recommend?
Only if the player is worth more than making a point to the rest of the club/world. Fergie fecked Paul Ince off for example when he deemed the wanker gap to be too large and he was a far better player than Sancho and had already proven himself at the club.
Nah bud, honestly, I think the best managers get rid IMO. Obviously i don’t think EtH has proven to be in that category yet. Saying someone hasn’t trained well as others isn’t exactly stinging public criticism/throwing anyone under the bus, is it? The managers authority has to be absolute or well end up where we’ve always been post SAF - ruled by player power.
I knew this would draw some posters out, but not you Ish..... Noooottt yooouuu!
All I'll say is that, a better manager snuffs this out before it becomes a thing (nudge wink, you say this I say that, and we get back to work, capiche?) because they understand the media dynamic of big clubs and the man management of big players.
It seems to me that most posters are only animated as they don't rate him as a player anyway, which is fair. I suspect if the player was more productive (like a late stage Rooney for example) they'd be more forgiving.... and at that point it's more about feelings towards an unproductive player than it is about standards or what not.
Anyway I'm off before I do the thing where I get caught up in circular arguements have a happy new year!
Hahahaha
we were bound to disagree on something….eventually! Doesn’t mean I have any less love for you bud 
But yeah, agreed around double standards because of a players “standing/productivity” in the game. I’d like to think that’s not me, anyway. I just feel like we need to get back to a point where there’s “standards” back at the club (subjectively I get it) and hard work and commitment should be a prerequisite. For too long have we endured players with fragile mentalities who disappear when the going gets tough. Whether it’s EtH setting these standards, or another manager, I’d back them just to try and move past where we’ve been post SAF. But alas, I get the point around causing a mountain out of a molehill. I’m sure if it was a different player, the manager might have had a bit more patience. But I’d assume the “leave of absence” he got the year before and similar struggles with commitment still prevalent - it was probably the end of the line with EtH’s patience.
Anyhow, like you say, I’m also not too heavily invested in this to continue going on with it. Happy new year to you brother bear. Hope you have a good one and catch you in 2024 <3
Yeah I get where you're coming from my broHahahaha
But yeah, agreed around double standards because of a players “standing/productivity” in the game. I’d like to think that’s not me, anyway. I just feel like we need to get back to a point where there’s “standards” back at the club (subjectively I get it) and hard work and commitment should be a prerequisite. For too long have we endured players with fragile mentalities who disappear when the going gets tough. Whether it’s EtH setting these standards, or another manager, I’d back them just to try and move past where we’ve been post SAF. But alas, I get the point around causing a mountain out of a molehill. I’m sure if it was a different player, the manager might have had a bit more patience. But I’d assume the “leave of absence” he got the year before and similar struggles with commitment still prevalent - it was probably the end of the line with EtH’s patience.
Anyhow, like you say, I’m also not too heavily invested in this to continue going on with it. Happy new year to you brother bear. Hope you have a good one and catch you in 2024 <3
How does a failed transfer evoke so many?
The fee is never the problem for me. It actually looked like a bargain at the time. Top young player.
How he developed with us is the problem. Where was the support system when he had his mental problem? Was it the correct move to send him to Holland? Did we integrate him back into that squad correctly?
Jadon Sancho isn't fit for this club in any respect. Mentally, physically, possibly even technically - baring in mind a few neat unthreatening passes doesn't make you a United attacker. Well, it shouldn't do, standards have dropped to the extent that it might do in recent years. I will be glad to see the back of him. And if he does outlast the manager, well, I still don't see him reversing things here, you need character and backbone to do that and he's shown none of that. Any manager of the capability to oversee this club would make those demands, and he doesn't seem capable of reaching them, hence why his indiscipline is not constrained to his time at United.
As said I have been following Sanchez since his time at Udinese and he had always been a professional. We're talking of a player whose been at top flight football for nearly 20 years here.giving his all for both club and country.
But let's imagine for a second that he's scum. Why on earth would anyone want to leave the club after his first training session? We're talking of someone who had just what was possibly his best contract ever, a player who had been around for enough time to know that he was in decline and that this was his last big pay cheque. Why would he do that?
Then you analyse United and you'll find an utter mess
a- leaks
b- players getting injured left, right and centre
c- players losing form after 1 season and rarely recovering it back
But that's not all, everything with United is synonymous to decline from the stadium to the training round right to fitness. FFS we can't even cook chicken right. Players like Alexis, Ronaldo, Varane and Casemiro are heading at the wrong side of their career. The last thing they want is to be mismanaged and end up crippled in the process. No wonder why we seem to have issues with these sort of players
He’s a disgrace.
I find it hard to see how people think this is anything but win-win for ten hag. If Sancho apologises and is brought back into the fold, and performs brilliantly, Ten Hag should be credited with giving a massively underperforming flop a reality check and kick in the arse. If he returns and fails, Ten Hag can say I told you so, we weren't missing him and its time to sell him. And if we sell him, then who cares really, whether he performs elsewhere or not. Though very few players have left united in recent years and made us miss them, Certainly not anybody ten hag has let go.
ETH has to think of the team. He made an innocuous comment, which was blown out of proportion by the player the comment was about, who went full nuclear on Twitter because he’s a child. ETH had standards that apply to the team, it’s fine to treat people as individuals to a point but they play as a collective and at some point have to act as one. There is no way he can back down to Sancho now, if he does the entire team spirit is fecked. How can he say no or discipline anybody else Sancho gets away with it.
This is 100% on Sancho and it’s just unfortunate it’s going to cost the club massively in terms of finance. Sancho has proven himself to be childish and a weasel and there will be no coming back from this in his career now, he’ll expect special treatment wherever he goes, despite the fact he couldn’t be any further from deserving it based on via actual day job; playing football.
For the other player talking about how it affects the other young players then it is what it is; a cautionary tale. Play your part or leave the club.
It could possibly have been dealt with in house, but seemingly only if ETH apologises, which has absolutely no reason to do so. Anything else you couldn’t trust Sancho to keep it in house, we’ve already seen his reactions when he perceives things to not be going his way.
Back the manager now or repeat the cycle with a new manager as Sancho will do this again and he probably won’t be the only one.
Hard Times... I mean, Great Expectations
Happy Sancho transfer window all.
Awful awful buy.
And amazingly, he‘s probably still not as bad a buy as Antony.
Help us Obi Wan Ratcliffe…. you’re our only hope
And amazingly, he‘s probably still not as bad a buy as Antony.
Help us Obi Wan Ratcliffe…. you’re our only hope
We’re having a different argument here. I’m saying if Sancho were so terrible & EtH had decided to sell him at all costs then he wouldn’t be here. As for the link above, it is believable that the club tried to get good money back for him last Summer & could not but look where we are now, EtH has started a situation that has people talking about releasing him for free because of FFP!
Being stuck with Martial because the idiots at the club gave him a lengthy contract he didn’t deserve is not the same as what we’re seeing here imo. This is avoidable in a different way.
My point about the leadership being devoid is that for as bad as Sancho has been we are currently starting Antony, who got what 1 G/A in the league all 2023? We of cpurse need to improve on Sancho but anybody can see he’d still be better than no.21 has been.
Credibility is non-existent on both sides for me & from a distance I think that’s what Sancho’s response was about. How can he single out any player [Ronaldo, DdG, Varane say hello] for their standards when his favourite players are serving up turd on turd.
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The world class mental gymnastics people are applying to this for EtH is commendable but if people fail to see both sides in this there’s wilful ignorance at play.
EtH has played this terribly & Sancho hasn’t played it any better.
Agreed. Point well made.
Man, Ten Hag fecking murdered poor Sancho there. I don't know how any human could bounce back from that, doesn't matter if your skin is as thick as rhino's, that sort of brutal, public, scorching would destroy even the strongest of characters.
Says the guy swinging a 23...Accidentally clicked on this monstrosity of a thread and laughed my ass off. Why are people comparing reaction scores?
I genuinely don't know what this means
I genuinely don't know what this means
Is that good or bad?
As far as I'm concerned, lower is better. So you can all get on my level.
Difference between theory and reality right there!
Finally the January transfer window opens, we shouldn't waste another € on his weekly wages. Show him the exit asap. 40 - 50m is really good Summer window money.
If they pay a fee that cover his ludicrous wages then it's a win-win, goes into the shop window again and we have a healthier dressing room.
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