Had some good games (and today's assist) coming from the left now. I was a big doubter because he was on the right for dortmund and he had very little threat coming inside from the left for United, but hes showing he can play there too.
Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch
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It's a good deal. His book value will only be ~£15m in the summer and we're getting more than that from Chelsea, plus we're getting rid of his wages. We're getting a yearly cost of probably around £30m off the books. His sale alone should allow us to bring in a big money signing.
He's been better for Chelsea than for us, but he's still nothing more than a decent (at times good) PL player, and was never going to make it here anyway.
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A player who was renowned for his lack of application and poor altitude when in Manchester is really not what we should be looking for at a time when we seem to be intent on getting rid of at least one other big name for exactly that reason.
Sancho was a disaster and I wouldn’t have him back on a free, we all know about Greenwood, Donny’s thriving? Didn’t Elanga want to leave, and didn’t he go before Ratcliffe bought in?
van de Beek:
21 appearances, 2 goals, 3 assists. 1,332 minutes played
Hilarious, we're a comedy club.
1 good assist, a whole lot more of nothing of note today and subbed as soon as they need a goal for fresh legs.
You must not be watching. Not only in attack but tracking back in defense, he has been very good.
Insane assessment; he was tremendous and worked incredibly hard. His tracking back prior to the stonewall penalty we weren't given was excellent.
Tremendous and very good he was not. He was okay. The assist was very good and he made little impact other than that. Yeah he tracked back some. Did I miss any other chances he created?
Watching him today is just like some of the decent performances he had here. Looks neat and tidy, moments of quality but leaving you wanting more.
"Very good"? "Tremendous"?? Must've had an amazing first half (which I didn't watch, except for the assist, which was pretty good tbf, even if the Palace defence made it very easy for him) because he didn't do much in the second. Also lost the ball in a very dangerous area once and was lucky it wasn't punished.
Lads I understand that you are unhappy about how this all shook out but get a grip - there's just no way anyone unbiased could watch that match today and say that his performance was "okay".
Also he lost the ball after diligently tracking back for the umpteenth time - which apparently he's not capable of doing according to half the posts in this thread?
Dude I know you guys are desperate for him to be a success (or to claim him as a success) but this is getting a bit embarrassing.
Same as claiming he's been anything other than pretty damn average for Chelsea so far. Before today's game he had an xG90 of 0.13, and an xA90 of 0.24. Which is just painfully average. And he just isn't offering very much apart from that. It's not like he's a great press player or has a great engine or anything like that. He's tidy on the ball and that's it.
Every time I've watched him for you guys he's been fine. Better than for us, but that's a laughably low bar. A decent PL player capable of a pretty good game every now and then. Nothing more.
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I don't really care about how it all shook out. You've got a low bar if you think he was tremendous or very good today. I know it's 3 games without a win now after you've been the best team in the league (for my money) up until 2 weeks ago, and maybe you need a pick me up and pretending Sancho was tremendous on a United forum helps you in that regard. (See, the pettiness works both ways).
I've never said he can't track back, or whatever you're saying. He can do it, obviously. Part of me thinks he's trying a bit harder just to try and prove a point.
He's cost us very little so no one is desperate for him to do anything - unlike, say, Mudryk.
He created a goal almost single-handedly. Played Enzo and Cucurella into dangerous crossing opportunities multiple times. Diligently tracked his fullback. Completed 95% of his passes - I don't really understand how you think this is only "ok"?
And you're getting just about your money's worth, I'd say. Nothing to be ashamed of, and certainly no reason to lie about him having been some very impressive player for you so far.
Good point - thankfully United are still covering the excess salary that he clearly doesn't deserve
Sour grapes. He was your best player today. Fans have a hard time with the idea that a player can be good for one club and not another, based on a lot of factors, not all of which can be mitigated.
No argument there.
Thankfully he's no longer our problem in the summer. Then time will show whether he'll continue to be a useful player for you or turn into a problem again eventually.
Oh, we're doing stats?
1 shot off target, 0 on target. 0 tackles, 0 interceptions. 36 passes. 0 long passes. 0 big chances created. Subbed when needing a goal, yes.
I really don't understand how you think this is really good or tremendous?
Extremely poor attitude when he was with us but can’t help but wonder how he would have done as a number 10 in Ruben’s system.
Best player in a draw against Palace in a match that Palace created the better chances? He was okay today. And that's it. He was brilliant v Spurs for what it's worth. That was the best I've ever seen him over an entire game.
I think a more accurate assessment lies somewhere in the middle. ‘Ok’ is selling him short bearing his contribution whilst ‘tremendous’ is hyperbolic and you’re setting a low bar.
Overall, he’s shown glimpses of quality during his time at Chelsea and has done relatively well. I mean given the absurdly inflated transfer fees, £25m is absolutely peanuts and he doesn’t need to actually contribute a great deal to justify that fee. The occasional assist and moment of quality on a somewhat more regular basis than he did here and you’re grand.
He’s okay and you’ve got a fairly good fee. United were still wise to get rid as his attitude and contribution was woeful whilst here. You’re getting more out of him but how long will that last? We’ll see.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise football was played on a spreadsheet? Pretty cringe to try to try to boil this down to counting end-action stats when the whole point of playing Sancho is what he contributes in the buildup, bro
I watched every minute. What's laughable is Chelsea fans saying he was tremendous because he tracked back a bit and played in players to cross the ball in a game they drew.
Now I know you didn't watch the match
Ah despite that convincing testimony that you watched every minute I think you have managed to overlook a pretty vital contribution he made - if you take away the goal he created though then I agree that his game was only "ok"
Yeah mentioned it in the match thread, he wasn't suited in the slightest to Ole or Ten Hag's type of wingers but is far more suited to Amorim's floating 10's and is a natural fit there. There's still question marks with mentality, how he handles pressure, desire to make the most of his talent, but purely on player type he fits what we are trying to do now better than guys like Garnacho or Rashford do.
I dont think his personal life choices and attitude would have been beneficial. Especially from stories like at Dortmund where he had to be woken up by staff etc.
Looking at the stats Chelsea had 1 on shot on target v Palace who had 6 so maybe he has a point there .
Now I know you didn't watch the match
I didn’t see the game mind
According to Understat, after today's game Jadon Sancho has an xG90 of 0.12 (#180 in the PL, same as Doku, Jota Silva, Joe Willock, Yarmolyuk and Bentancur) and an xA90 of 0.27 (#54 in PL, same as Mbeumo, Bowen, Elliot Anderson and Maddison).
For comparison's sake, in 21/22, his first season with us, Sancho had an xG90 of 0.20 (#119 in PL), and an xA90 of 0.19 (#71).
And in 22/23 he had an xG90 of 0.20 (#130) and an xA90 of 0.25 (#35).
But hey, Dortmund Sancho is back I guess
For comparison's sake, in 21/22, his first season with us, Sancho had an xG90 of 0.20 (#119 in PL), and an xA90 of 0.19 (#71).
And in 22/23 he had an xG90 of 0.20 (#130) and an xA90 of 0.25 (#35).
But hey, Dortmund Sancho is back I guess
If you read carefully ive said that was a very good assist and other than that he was okay so I'm glad you finally agree.
Just checked two different ratings and both have him as 7. That's okay isn't it? I know it's not the be all and end all.
Nah Chelsea continually fecked up the good chances by not putting them on goal. On/off target is fairly meaningless.
Perhaps we are just talking past each other then? I put very little stock in the ratings that these sites put together - but for me a 5 on a 1-10 scale would be "ok".
I'm willing to concede that "tremendous" might have been a bit much - but "ok" for me equates to mediocre, and that's where I'd disagree.
So that's not a wage cut then
It is? Because the club he's signing for will pay him less? Just doesn't apply to this season because he's on loan.So that's not a wage cut then
He hasn't taken a pay cut, not sure what's so hard to grasp about that.It is? Because the club he's signing for will pay him less? Just doesn't apply to this season because he's on loan.
He will be paid less at Chelsea next year compared to this one. He has therefore obviously agreed to a pay cut; you are being pedantic about the timing of it.
So he's being paid the same this year? Thank youHe will be paid less at Chelsea next year compared to this one. He has therefore obviously agreed to a pay cut; you are being pedantic about the timing of it.
Is this the most rattled thread in history on both sides?
Congratulations for supplementing his wage?