No impressing required. He's their player.
Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch | £5M opt-out fee
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In current Chelsea system, Sancho is not expected to beat the defender to deliver a cross. He maintains width and links up with the left 10 (recently Enzo but some time it is Palmer) and the inverted LB (Cucu). He is good at the short through pass between the RB and CB for Cucu/Enzo/Palmer or even Caiceido to run into. This leads to at least one goal (Palmer) and one penalty (Caiceido) and maybe more that I don’t remember.
This system suits Sancho much better than when he was at United and expected to be the fast winger
This system suits Sancho much better than when he was at United and expected to be the fast winger
Needs to be pinned to the top of this thread. He’s gone permanently if Chelsea finish above 15th for a really low price compared to what we paid for him. Good job we didn’t sign him the first summer for 100 million. I still think there’s a major player there and he could be one of the best winger/10s in the league if he’s motivated but can he stay motivated? I personally don’t think so. I think he’s another Dembele. More gifted than 99% of the players around him but probably found football very easy and was a cert to make it all the way through the youth and up to Dortmund and then had a chip on his shoulder when he was asked to modify or sacrifice his game or lifestyle in any way.
I don’t think it’s motivation, he’s not bad as he’s been made out and I think playing at United hasn’t helped. He has good close control but lacks physical attributes to make up for it. He’d thrive in quick touch football or playing it off to quicker players. I wouldn’t say he’s on the talent level of Dembele, quick, 2 footed and once thought to be better than Mbappe in the youth setup.
They can be. The sleeping pills I use are recommended to not be taken two nights in a row.
But that's due to side effects they can cause, isn't it? I was purely thinking about what would be considered as illegal doping.
Yeah it’s not illegal. A doctor wouldn’t recommend it though.
He really should've been given a chance under the new manager. It's a vastly different environment to the one under the previous managers etc.
You all are kidding yourself if you think he's not good enough or not got the heart for the fight etc. It shouldn't be such a struggle to play for United if you're good enough and have a good manager.
You all are kidding yourself if you think he's not good enough or not got the heart for the fight etc. It shouldn't be such a struggle to play for United if you're good enough and have a good manager.
True, although last year or so, we just expected him to be a football player
I mean, I can fully understand why United fans don't like him but the pretence he hasn't been very good for us so far is ludicrous.
You’re right, it shouldn’t. But Sancho did a very good impression of a man who thought it was.
Who played well under Ten Hag?
Not so sure. He always played with a distinct lack of intensity for us, and pressing is one of the things Amorim seems to want from his forward players.
This is the Jadon Sancho thread.
of course he's worth way more than that
There can be no doubt that he's playing well for you & that Maresca is getting a tune out of him.
I think this was one of those everyone wins situations.
He's doing well for Chelsea. Not anything special yet, but reliably well. For that price and the value he brings, Chelsea got a fantastic deal.
It was a good deal for Sancho, too - clearly. He can play with lesser expectations, and enjoy playing football in this lower level of scrutiny. He will have more goals, more assists in the same league - and lesser hate from the media for being a personality who cannot thrive or respond maturely to pressure. Sure, his success will be because he's in a better team, with easier returns - but he's clearly not someone who finds value in being the main man. He will also have half the pay, but I suppose just leaving the high pressure environment was worth it for him, he can at least play his football now and reset his career.
It was a good deal for United, too - as good as we could practically get. Despite his decent performances now, all this talk about proving critics wrong is laughable. Meeting expectations as a medium-pay medium-responsibility performer in a many man show is so much easier than succeeding as the front man in a high pressure act. He not only failed to rise to the occasion, he failed to even turn up and try - even lacking the basic professionalism that someone on a tenth of his pay would have, wilting away in a shameful disgrace, instead. He will never prove his critics wrong - he is a quitter who failed to take his chance to be someone special, and instead of facing this shortcoming and trying to be better he threw such a petulant fit that his employers saw it preferable to take a financial loss than even have his presence in the squad. For the squad, our ability on the pitch, our team spirit and our eventual future, it was really good riddance. There was no coming back from his abject mental collapse under the pressure and expectations at Man United. Anyone who thinks he'll do well now under the even increased scrutiny of Amorim's side is delusional - he would continue to fail, he doesn't have half the mentals that someone like Garnacho does. Was it overall a terrible waste of money? Of course - signing him for those wages and fees was a high risk call that failed terribly. We wanted him to be our Cole Palmer, but turns out he can't be even half decent without players of that ilk around him. At this point, getting rid of his toxicity and high wages was the best deal we could get.
He's doing well for Chelsea. Not anything special yet, but reliably well. For that price and the value he brings, Chelsea got a fantastic deal.
It was a good deal for Sancho, too - clearly. He can play with lesser expectations, and enjoy playing football in this lower level of scrutiny. He will have more goals, more assists in the same league - and lesser hate from the media for being a personality who cannot thrive or respond maturely to pressure. Sure, his success will be because he's in a better team, with easier returns - but he's clearly not someone who finds value in being the main man. He will also have half the pay, but I suppose just leaving the high pressure environment was worth it for him, he can at least play his football now and reset his career.
It was a good deal for United, too - as good as we could practically get. Despite his decent performances now, all this talk about proving critics wrong is laughable. Meeting expectations as a medium-pay medium-responsibility performer in a many man show is so much easier than succeeding as the front man in a high pressure act. He not only failed to rise to the occasion, he failed to even turn up and try - even lacking the basic professionalism that someone on a tenth of his pay would have, wilting away in a shameful disgrace, instead. He will never prove his critics wrong - he is a quitter who failed to take his chance to be someone special, and instead of facing this shortcoming and trying to be better he threw such a petulant fit that his employers saw it preferable to take a financial loss than even have his presence in the squad. For the squad, our ability on the pitch, our team spirit and our eventual future, it was really good riddance. There was no coming back from his abject mental collapse under the pressure and expectations at Man United. Anyone who thinks he'll do well now under the even increased scrutiny of Amorim's side is delusional - he would continue to fail, he doesn't have half the mentals that someone like Garnacho does. Was it overall a terrible waste of money? Of course - signing him for those wages and fees was a high risk call that failed terribly. We wanted him to be our Cole Palmer, but turns out he can't be even half decent without players of that ilk around him. At this point, getting rid of his toxicity and high wages was the best deal we could get.
As a club Chelsea has acted much more cut throat then United in recent years. And in Dortmund Sancho had no problem being the main man. So while I agree with a lot of your post, these points are doubtful.
Same. Good riddance. I barely think about this clown anymore save for this thread being bumped occasionally.
Chelsea may have been quick to get rid of underperforming big money signings - Lukaku, Havertz, Sterling, Werner - but there's a lot of underperforming (arguably, won't get into it) signings that are still there getting second/third chances - Mudryk, Lavia, Cucurella. But that's not relevant for Sancho - they didn't sign him for 70m, give him a 350k contract and expect him to be their star player. They signed him for 20m, are paying modest wages - and Sancho is meeting the humbler expectations, even exceeding them. That's the point, he's not subject to the cut-throat scrutiny that someone like Enzo or Caicedo will attract. He's not under any pressure - it was a low risk signing with minimal expectations.
As for the second point, I can never tell with the German posters on here if they're serious when they compare United to Dortmund. Performance wise, Dortmund are no doubt the better footballing entity now and have been for a few years - but I hope you acknowledge that the PL has more than 100x (not kidding, this is one source from 2022, there are others) the viewership of the Bundesliga - being the main man at Dortmund is a completely different ball game than being the main man at United in terms of scrutiny, media amplification of mistakes, pressure, constant need for PR, twenty thirty different talk shows amplifying the message on social media platforms, etc. Also, Sancho had two extraordinary seasons at Dortmund (29G, 30A in league) where he was clearly the best player, but it wasn't like he was head and shoulders above his teammaters either. The first season, he had an in-form Paco Alcacer (18G in league) to feed, the second one had Haaland (13G in league) - both of those seasons were with an in-form Reus (he had 28G/13A across both seasons). He was the best of many main men in a small pond, he never made the step up to the big pond (pressure wise).
Edit: I'd mentioned the 18/19 and 19/20 season for Sancho, in 20/21 the league numbers for Dortmund were: Haaland (27G, 6A), Sancho (8G, 11A), and Reus (8G, 6A). It would be unfair to anyone to live up to Haaland numbers, and Sancho probably was the reason for those with key passes which aren't mentioned here - but making the pedantic point that he wasn't the main man for long even at Dortmund.
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As you say, stats are not everything. But I agree, he could grow alongside other players and it truly felt as if he was becoming a real leader of that team and grew into that role. So the natural expectation was that he would continue this way and develop further instead of what happened at United which as you say gets much more attention.
The feck?
Fair enough I'll give you Mudryk for an underperforming signing but even then I'll say his playing time has been very limited, even before his doping scandal. Lavia's problem has definitely not been him underperforming, it's him staying fit and available for selection. Whenever Lavia has played he's looked like a good player and shown signs of why so much money was spent on him, and if he can just overcome his fitness struggles he can still be trusted to come good. And Cucurella is a weird mention here because he's been one of the top performers of our whole squad in 2024. Prior to him all of a sudden becoming good I wouldn't say he was being given endless chances to come good, it was more like he was played out of necessity because Chilwell wasn't fit and we had nobody else who could play there.
Can we take him back or do we have to sell? I don't get the deal.
It's a loan which will turn into a permanent transfer if Chelsea finish above 15th. The transfer fee will be £20 mil if we finish 14th and up to £25 mil depending on where we finish above that. Basically, the Man United beam counters want Chelsea to win the league.
I'm sure all three parties (Sancho, Chelsea and Man United) wanted it, something could be sorted to cancel the deal but that seems very unlikely.
Haha! Great sense of humor
He’s a simple lad, isn’t he?
Bump.
Fecking shite
Fecking shite
hahahaha
Gets a foul on his PlayStation for that.
Why do so many Twitter football accounts have adverts for gambling sites on them now? Are the likes of "Stake" really paying all of them?
Well if you're going to pay anyone to air your adverts it makes sense for it to be them.
It’s mental. At the bottom of almost everything. I despise them.
I block them all but they just keep coming. It's relentless.
We need Neto* and the Neymar roll side by side for an in-depth comparison.
Their worst player today.
It's been a bit of a myth how "good" he's been for Chelsea. Just like he was supposedly really good for Dortmund last season.
As someone who has watched pretty much every minute of Sancho here, depends on what you mean ‘how good’. He’s definitely had more good games than average games. He was distinctly average today. Should have come off when we lost attacking momentum. On balance though, I’d say he’s having a good season so far.
I had the pleasure of sitting with the Chelsea fans in the Shed End today. I knew Sancho was playing because his name was announced and I saw him on the pitch, but there were stregches of the game when I forgot he was there. He was always on the periphery. The few times he had the ball, Chelsea fans around me were yelling at him to run at defenders, and getting frustrated every time he turned and played the ball back (he was far from the only one for Chelsea today, to be fair).
He's been as average as they come in a very good Chelsea side.