Not patting myself on the back but i have always encouraged scepticism on these
I don’t really see how they can be enforced if the buying club or player changes their mind during the loan period
Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch | £5M opt-out fee
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I don’t really see how they can be enforced if the buying club or player changes their mind during the loan period
If it’s a true obligation, it’s a contract. It’s the equivalent of us giving Sancho back to Dortmund now.
When I said we needed more fighters in the squad, I didn't mean a work from home freedom fighter.
It really is a no brainer for Chelsea to send him back to us for 5m. It’s a disappointing turn of events as it looked like we were finally rid of him. We will be lucky to find a buyer for £20m in the summer.
Ok, he's now our worst ever signing. Possibly the most stupid, work-shy, self-obsessed little cretin to play here if he actually ends up back at the club. Hope he receives the cold shoulder from absolutely everyone at the club.
Lucky to find anyone to take him on loan. He is shit.
Doesn't look good this, was supposed to be some guaranteed cash coming in. Chelsea not buying him for "only" 25m will push his value down by so so much. Will be a long summer for us to get rid of all the deadwood.
Can we throw him to Dortmund again somehow?
5m .. wow.. shit deal.
At least there is no chance of him being in the squad again.. He'll have to find a club.. if he realizes how bad it is for him, he might even consider the Saudi league.. I'm sure they'll take him for 15-20m.
At least there is no chance of him being in the squad again.. He'll have to find a club.. if he realizes how bad it is for him, he might even consider the Saudi league.. I'm sure they'll take him for 15-20m.
Paying 5M to not have Sancho in your squad is an easy choice.
Pathetic on United's side, but that's to be expected. Both him and Rashford will be coming back in the summer. Count on it.
Pathetic on United's side, but that's to be expected. Both him and Rashford will be coming back in the summer. Count on it.
Turkey will probably be the next stop. A year loan to Galatasaray and we can finally be rid of him.
I’m no expert, I simply don’t see how any contract can be valid before it starts. He’s still a United player on loan and I’ve not known of any contract with a future start date that can’t be ripped up before the starting date
Regardless of all that, I’d say it’s a very low blow from Chelsea and they’re risking being able to do any business with United in future.
Another masterstroke from the world class management structure. Did they package this loan with an option to buy as an obligation just to fool the public into thinking they are master negotiators? Ridiculous!
Anyway, looks like this dingus isn't going anywhere. No one will buy this lazy primadonna ass for a fee from us in the next window. The most likely outcome is another loan to Germany or somewhere we pay a chunk of the wages and then he leaves for free the following summer.
What a freaking shit show.
Why would they? He's not a good footballer and has zero marketability
How many months salary will 5m quid cover?
Except he might not. Especially if we win the Europa and make the champions league and his wage goes back up by 25%. He may decide to spend a year at home on the XBox and take home 10m before either moving on a free or retiring. People always assume that players will take a massive financial hit in order to play, but why would they ? Honestly, why would he be interested in a deal where Manchester United benefit?
Probably was the only way to get him out in the summer. Hoped it would be more but it was not like we had the best cards in this negotiation.
We should hire a PR company to hype him up. Maybe then someone sees that immene potential which of course justifies his high wages and a big transfer fee.
We should hire a PR company to hype him up. Maybe then someone sees that immene potential which of course justifies his high wages and a big transfer fee.
Wait united did what
Not necessarily. If it's a loan fee they write it down for this season. A penalty, they likely can decide for which season they want it, current or next
Basically United saves his full wages for the season
Only way that wasn't gonna happen was if he played regular football, and well
not really. Chelsea just burned 15/20 millions for nothing. United got to save that money. Chelsea are the ones coming away looking bad here
Would Sancho have been integrated into the squad?
Which isn't up solely to United. You need somebody else to actually want him
Mendes money laundering
Morning gents. Can somebody help me to understand something? Why is it that footballers are so protected in their jobs. If I did the equivalent of Sanco in any of my jobs over the years I have been working I would maybe last 2/3 months and be sacked with no severance pay. After 6 months probation-to maybe a few years, I would get 1 months pay.
Why isnt it the same in football...?
That's a genuine question, I don't understand it.
They are a UK business so why isnt the employer protected against shit employees?
Is it because of the transfer window? (The player/employee couldn't get another job?) If that's the case their settlement for being sacked should just be their salary to the next transfer window?
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Adam
Why isnt it the same in football...?
That's a genuine question, I don't understand it.
They are a UK business so why isnt the employer protected against shit employees?
Is it because of the transfer window? (The player/employee couldn't get another job?) If that's the case their settlement for being sacked should just be their salary to the next transfer window?
Cheers
Adam
Tel was 5m. We’ve basically loaned him with no obligation at all considering what loans are these days.
You lot agreed to the 5 mil in the first place. It's not a low blow.
To be a fly on the wall when Sancho turns up at Carrington on the first day of preseason
Simple answer. They’re not employees. They’re contractors.
First: what has Sancho done that he could be sacked without severance pay?
Second: Sancho is an asset, bought for significant money. Terminating his contract means losing that money
It's a quid pro quo. The club can't sack the player easily, but the player also can't just call it a day and leave. One gives up the right to sack on normal notice period, the other gives up the right to do the same.
Saudi have done feck all for us - the time for them to step up is now.
It would work the other way as well though, players could just terminate their contract at will
The players at Man United are absolutely employees.
The player can, in fact, call it a day. The problem is he's not entitled to any money AND can't sign a contract with anyone else until the current one ends. And might also be liable to paying reparations to the club
We should explore the possibility of docking at least a month or two of his wages for that “Freedom” comment.
There surely must be something in our contracts about bringing the club into disrepute, and it’s not like it’s the first time he’s spouted off on social media.
Why would Saudi want him when they can get a better player for less money like everyone else.
Absolutely this.
They were clearly desperate to get rid of him in any way that they could. What else were they supposed to do?
Be thankful Dead Woodward isn't still here or he'd have offered him a 4 year contract to protect his 'asset value'.
Their contracts are watertight and written up by the best lawyers money can buy. As much as Sancho is an absolute shit, he's not done anything that warrants breach of contract.
We all know he basically refused to play last season when he fell out with Ten Hag but a lawyer would argue it was the clubs decision to not pick him. His posts about "freedom" I think bring the club into disrepute but again good luck arguing that with a lawyer.
Any new thoughts ?
As I tried to point out earlier in the thread we had no idea what was meant by “ substantial” the rumour I had heard it wasn’t a round sum but we would repay Utd the element of his wages that they had contributed. That may or may not be correct but if it is say circa £5 million then Utd have well and truly been shafted.
Chelsea like Utd have tried just about everything to get him to fire but at this point in time he clearly is just making up the numbers so to a degree it has worked out but only because of injuries, suspensions, players signed not yet at the club or academy players being blooded in slowly.
Having said all that do not be surprised if he does indeed get transferred but SJR has highlighted Utds desperation to get rid of him so who knows it may be just a ploy by Chelsea to renegotiate the set fee and without options it may leave Utd with little choice in the saga
I think Jadon Sancho has to be the first United player where fans unanimously workers' rights and protection doesn't apply to this cnut.
What an odd player. Wonder if he'll just retire at the end of his contract.
So it was essentially a season long loan for £5m with an option to buy for £20m.
This club's an embarrassment.
This club's an embarrassment.
Could imagine him being given a chance at a club like Palace but it depends if he thinks the club/wages are beneath him.
We can't even do obligations to buy properly.
But it's no surprise. We're going to continue paying the price for bad signings and contracts for the next few years.
I only hope the new management stick to their guns when players demand wages they're not worth. I'd rather see us losing out on some players than continue down this road of ending up with numerous worthless players we can't offload.
But it's no surprise. We're going to continue paying the price for bad signings and contracts for the next few years.
I only hope the new management stick to their guns when players demand wages they're not worth. I'd rather see us losing out on some players than continue down this road of ending up with numerous worthless players we can't offload.
A key element in the whole saga seems to be that Chelsea and Sancho didn’t agree wages at the time of the loan. That in an “ obligation to buy type of loan” is very unusual an to be honest Sancho would be well within his rights to turn down any offer made by Chelsea and irrespective of any agreements between Chelsea and Utd would then become meaningless. It may well be it is at that point Chelsea would be obliged to stump up monies to Utd.