40m would be a result. He'll never work in the PL.
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Of course he doesn't get a medal for that, I just think that a team that reaches a CL QF can be called a top team, and moving to such a team can be seen as having "loftier goals" as you called it.
Saying that Sancho's move to Dortmund, a smaller team with smaller ambitions, is evidence of his lofty goals is only evidence of you, once again, desperate to talk up teams in the BL.
I recently watched the Everton - United match and the level of football, especially tactically, was abysmal. The EPL has three top teams wigh City, Liverpool and Arsenal but the rest really isn't that special. It's not enough to just have money, you also have to invest it intelligently. United is the prime example for that, obviously. I don't think you'd be better than 6th in the Bundesliga either since Bayern, Leverkusen, Stuttgart, Leipzig and Dortmund are currently all better teams than you (even though Dortmund currently bears some alarming siimilarities to you).
Regarding Sancho, I still think in form he'd easily the best player of your team. You should wonder why on earth you couldn't unlock this potential and maybe start asking yourself how a player who is conducting himself very well at another club was so incredibly frustrated in Manchester that he let the situation escalate like that.
Tbf I agree with this. We play some dreadful football, we've been outplayed more often than not, we have a poor manager, and several players who don't care. It's not a great endorsement for the Premier league that despite all this, we still somehow find ourselves in 6th. The overall quality of the league really can't be that impressive. As you say, there are three teams in the league of any real quality and the rest are mediocre to poor.
I don't know why every BDL response to being told that the German league is a significantly lower standard then the EPL is essentially: 'yeah, well united are rubbish at the moment'. Yes, correct, but that doesn't change the fact that the top three teams are far stronger than the top three German teams and the quality outside of them is far higher than the quality across the remainder of the BL. The dropoff in quality between the top six and the rest is SIGNIFICANTLY greater in the BL than the EPL and that's surely not even a debate.
As for the bolded, the answer is simple. Sancho is afforded less space here, comes up against stronger, better organised defenses and his physical limitations are exposed much more here than in the BL. To put the point another way, maybe you should ask yourself why he looked so great in Germany and has never done anything of note in England or for the national team.
The PL has the greatest players and managers, and is the most physically demanding league in the world.
No one can unlock Sancho; he is a weak minded undisciplined character who had to be babied by Dortmund, and Ten Hag tried with him for a year.
He‘s doing fabulous now at Dortmund isn‘t he? Wow we really screwed up on that one.
Sancho is a disgrace as a person.
Our poor performance and the position in which we find ourselves is no endorsement or otherwise for the PL and is no reflection on the overall quality of the league. You could frame it another way and say that one of the biggest clubs in the world that has spent hundreds of millions in the last couple of seasons being sixth in the league (with the potential to plummet further) is actually an excellent endorsement of the overall quality and competitiveness of the league. But that would be just as misleading a point to make.
Sancho will soon be rivalling David Hasselhoff for the popular in Germany but shit everywhere else crown. You have to admire that.
Mate, the amount of space Everton gave you was insane. You don't even see this against relegation fodder in the Bundesliga. It seems many EPL teams are living off individual quality and are subpar in tactical aspects.
And if I'm BDL because I "defend" the quality of the Bundesliga, doesn't that make you PDL because you in this very moment defend the EPL? i mean, your whole exceptionalism is based on City, Liverpool and Arsenal who are supposed to be your three main rivals. I thought an EPL fan would never ever defend rivals such as the weird BDL guys?
depends who manager is next year
if we go for a possession based coach he will stay I think
if we go for a possession based coach he will stay I think
Love how often you try to play up the technical and tactical superiority of the BL when most of the top coaches work or have worked in the PL. Doesn't make much sense.Mate, the amount of space Everton gave you was insane. You don't even see this against relegation fodder in the Bundesliga. It seems many EPL teams are living off individual quality and are subpar in tactical aspects.
And if I'm BDL because I "defend" the quality of the Bundesliga, doesn't that make you PDL because you in this very moment defend the EPL? i mean, your whole exceptionalism is based on City, Liverpool and Arsenal who are supposed to be your three main rivals. I thought an EPL fan would never ever defend rivals such as the weird BDL guys?
As for the EPL exceptionalism, I'm not defending Liverpool, City or Goons because nobody is knocking them, unless I've missed something? My point is that the standard across the league is higher, not just the standard of the top three
Did United come close to win a league recently? Dortmund was beaten to it by a 89th minute goal on the final matchday and that was a disappointment, not an amazing feat. What would it have been for United last season if they managed the same?
Of course the BL is lower in quality, but the ambitions Dortmund have in recent years definitely are not lower than United's.
Like @Zehner said, by using the quality of the league instead of the quality of United as an argument right now, you do exactly what you accuse us of.
That’s it lads, might as well pack it in as we wouldn’t even make top 5 in the BL.
We bought him for 75m, sell him for half that price and I will be glad.
Why would anyone want him? We are getting nothing.
€35m is the most Dortmund has paid for a player (Dembélé). Dortmund's highest paid player right now (Haller) males £181k per week.
I don't think BVB is going to be breaking both their transfer record and their salaries structure to get a (checks notes) 24 year old, 2 goals in 10 games forward.
It's also worth noting that those 2 in 10 stats are the ones that the Sancho-Bundes defenders are using to argue he's doing quite well, which is of course almost as weak as the argument that United is doing poorly (which has been the case for 10 years save for the odd good 6 months here and there, with or without Sancho).
But who claims that he does well? He clearly doesn't and so far only had a few good moments.
I agree, I think he's crap
United this season are a mess and it’s arguable whether they’d be top 4 in the BL, playing like they are. Last season though they’d probably have won it, even though I think it was still a relatively poor team. There’s just a massive gap in the two leagues.
As for Sancho being United’s best player, don’t be ridiculous. He was poor immediately he arrived, he was poor after a season and he was still poor last time he got a chance to play. This isn’t a United problem - it’s him. He simply can’t cut it at a higher level unfortunately. When he gets his confidence back, he will still be a decent BL player but he isn’t anywhere near the level of United’s best players.
I hope Dortmund go on to win the CL and offer £75m for Sancho.
Please tell me this is a joke and no one said it.
How has he been today?
Average, nowhere to be seen second half
Nothing special. Had some good dribblings and definitely helped Dortmund to get some control, but no crucial or impressive moments as such.
Was he any good against Bayern? hoping that sparks some interest.
Did ok. Left Davies on his backside with a bit of skill in the first half and was generally tidy on the ball. Nothing particularly special though.
Thanks. Better than a lot of other reports I've seen in other games.
More of the same.
Some nice bits of skill, a few good passes but same as with United, fails to have any kind of impact for his team
Huh?? Did you watch the match? He was very good. Showed more intensity in that one match then all of his time with us.
It has to be said that it was likely a tactical decision by Terzic that made him more ineffective in attack. Usually Dortmund play with a 4231 formation, but against Bayern they used a 4141 but required their wingers to stay deeper a lot because there was no second DM who could help out on the wing. Worked pretty well for Dortmund to be able to just run through the middle this way, but it also meant that Sancho rarely got in a position where he could actively attack in a meaningful way as he had to nullify Davies. Which he did quite well.
Sounds like Sancho had a good game tonight, and from the short compilation, played like we never saw here.
It's not the Bundesliga, rather, a CL QF against the meanest and most aggressive side in the competition, so it perplexes me that we never got to see this player at United.
By all accounts, he's nowhere near the form that earned him the big move in the first place, but even playing as it looked like he did tonight, he'd have been a huge asset as part of the rotation.
One of the most frustrating transfers I've seen since following the club.
It's not the Bundesliga, rather, a CL QF against the meanest and most aggressive side in the competition, so it perplexes me that we never got to see this player at United.
By all accounts, he's nowhere near the form that earned him the big move in the first place, but even playing as it looked like he did tonight, he'd have been a huge asset as part of the rotation.
One of the most frustrating transfers I've seen since following the club.
Fingers crossed he puts in another few like that and we can sell.
He’s better on the left. His stats were never bad here. They were actually quite promising and pointed towards a breakout at any point. It’s a pity he wasn’t more professional here. Do Dortmund let him do what he wants or do they go an extra mile in their care for him?
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Said it before and I'll say it again: given the circumstances around him at the club, I don't think he's had a fair crack at the whip
Under Ole - came in, the plan was sidelined through Ronnie coming back, started on the bench etc and we were poor and the whole team fell apart
The impact of the racist abuse after missing the Euro 2020 pen right before joining us, I think has some impact here t
Rangnick - everyone was poor
Ten Hag first season - obviously had stuff going on and Erik sent him away (good move). Came back, hot and cold but some promising and a lot of underwhelming moments
This season - didn't play! Was good in pre-season and then didn't even start in the Prem, whilst Antony, Rashford and Martial stank the place out.
So all in all, the only period of fair judgment for me is the December to summer of last season, which was underwhelming but I think there's still a player in there.
I appreciate loads of people will disagree with this but that's opinions innit
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Under Ole - came in, the plan was sidelined through Ronnie coming back, started on the bench etc and we were poor and the whole team fell apart
The impact of the racist abuse after missing the Euro 2020 pen right before joining us, I think has some impact here t
Rangnick - everyone was poor
Ten Hag first season - obviously had stuff going on and Erik sent him away (good move). Came back, hot and cold but some promising and a lot of underwhelming moments
This season - didn't play! Was good in pre-season and then didn't even start in the Prem, whilst Antony, Rashford and Martial stank the place out.
So all in all, the only period of fair judgment for me is the December to summer of last season, which was underwhelming but I think there's still a player in there.
I appreciate loads of people will disagree with this but that's opinions innit
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He nearly always looked slow and weak with very rare flashes of moderate creativity. He had plenty of opportunities under 3 different managers and never strung 2 good performances together.
Doesnt take much to turn it around in this game. If Ten Hag is gone, he's the type of player that will tempt a new manager to bring him back
Agreed. 3 managers over 2.5 years couldn't get him to produce 2 straight good performances despite wild changes in the teams form. During that time there's arguably about 20 United players who had more good games than him.
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