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Why is everyone, (the British media included) raving over 1 assist and fairly average performance?
He's now a demi god and his sh1t doesn't stink.

If Dortmund want a player that hates training, stays up all night like a 10yr old on an X Box then can't go to school in the morning, then fine, they can keep him.
 
SteveCoppellFan said:
He will no doubt revert to type pretty soon.
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I don't think he ever changed. After the match Terzic said about him "he is a player who plays much better when he smiles" and I feel like there is a lot of truth about it. When he is happy, he plays well. He rarely looked that way for United, he usually did for Dortmund.
 
bosnian_red said:


I don't mind him feeling happy and showing his class there. His problem at United isn't a lack of talent, and I even hesitate to say it's work rate. It's not being right for our needs, it's not being too suited for the league, but most of all I think it's mental pressure and competing with other top players for the position rather than being confident and comfortable, knowing you are the main man and won't be benched after a bad game. Different mentalities are needed at different clubs. If we can get back 40m or so in the summer that would be good for us, and I think Dortmund would pay it as he can basically look like a world class player for them.
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Looks similar to how he was here to be honest, he will probably fare a lot better in Germany.
 
stefan92 said:
Which of course isn't surprising considering he barely trained with the team. Also quite logical that he assisted the only attacker he played with before (Reus).

But what's already obvious is that he looks much happier than he ever did in Manchester, really seems to be the truth that he felt like coming home in Dortmund. Really would like to hear someday why he didn't feel that way in Manchester.
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It's probably because he can play bundesliga ball in his sleep, so he's fine to play FIFA until 3am every night.
 
Baneofthegame said:
Looks similar to how he was here to be honest, he will probably fare a lot better in Germany.
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I agree, there was nothing in that reel that looked new. He was playing similar style here but it wasn't fitting the system. The Dortmund players are more ready for the short passes than we are here and know next steps - so it looks well oiled (relatively) to us when he plays the same
 
LARulz said:
I agree, there was nothing in that reel that looked new. He was playing similar style here but it wasn't fitting the system. The Dortmund players are more ready for the short passes than we are here and know next steps - so it looks well oiled (relatively) to us when he plays the same
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I agree with playing similar for United but what does it mean he didn't fit the system here? What do you mean by "the system" and how does Samcho come short compared to for example Antony, or even Garnacho on the right?
Edit: or even Rashford for that matter.
 
Borys said:
I agree with playing similar for United but what does it mean he didn't fit the system here? What do you mean by "the system" and how does Samcho come short compared to for example Antony, or even Garnacho on the right?
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Garnacho is a hell of a lot more involved from the right than Sancho ever was. Antony is a bit crap, but even he would put a shift in. Sancho doesn't create and doesn't do the dirty work. The PL is too intense for him. He's a proper softie.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
I posted elsewhere G or A, either way the point stands, he'll start off bright, everyone will start gassing him up, talking the club down, he'll then revert to type and do nothing.
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He had more good seasons with Dortmund than bad seasons with us. So if anything him going over there and looking like one of the better players in the league would be reverting to type.

I think he'll do really well in this half season. He's clearly very talented, just doesn't seem to have the mentality to succeed at this version of United.
 
If he has a loan impact as decent as Lingard had at West Ham, considering his age and talent and hopefully new Ineos negotiators, we can shift him for a neat 50-60M and reinvest that cash into someone like Olise to solidify the right wing.
 
redcucumber said:
Garnacho is a hell of a lot more involved from the right than Sancho ever was. Antony is a bit crap, but even he would put a shift in. Sancho doesn't create and doesn't do the dirty work. The PL is too intense for him. He's a proper softie.
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I'm not sure about that description. Sancho was always more likely to contribute to a goal (via indirect play, assisting or scoring) than Antony. The thing is as you pointed out he was not willing to put in a shift in defensively. I understand you need to be involved on both parts of the pitch but this defensive part of the game isn't enough to call him "not a good fit for the system".
I think Garnacho on the right has been very good so far and I like what I'm seeing, but there is clear pattern that ETH is very reluctant to drop Antony in favour of right footed player and personally I think this was a mistake last season not to give Sancho a go there. Even this season, it took 20+ of dreadful performances to try Garnacho on the right.

I think there is easier explanation to the Sancho at United story and it has nothing to do with "system", if there's any system in the first place.
 
sizzling sausages said:
He had more good seasons with Dortmund than bad seasons with us. So if anything him going over there and looking like one of the better players in the league would be reverting to type.

I think he'll do really well in this half season. He's clearly very talented, just doesn't seem to have the mentality to succeed at this version of United.
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Dortmund aren't the team of old. He also has a huge attitude problem. As soon as it's not going well, down tools.
 
Asger said:
Almost all our players have been shit under Ten Hag though.
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Not sure I agree. Comparing like for like, Rashford scored 30 goals last season. Garnacho has hardly been shit. Pellistri has probably showed more than Sancho. Antony is debatable but he hasn't been worse, and has done well defensively at least, which is half the game
 
stefan92 said:
I don't think he ever changed. After the match Terzic said about him "he is a player who plays much better when he smiles" and I feel like there is a lot of truth about it. When he is happy, he plays well. He rarely looked that way for United, he usually did for Dortmund.
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Nothing to do with smiles and more to do with playing against opposition who defend with 3 players and no midfield. If that's what he faces every week he'll end up with 10 goals and 10 assist, happy or sad
 
stefan92 said:
I don't think he ever changed. After the match Terzic said about him "he is a player who plays much better when he smiles" and I feel like there is a lot of truth about it. When he is happy, he plays well. He rarely looked that way for United, he usually did for Dortmund.
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In that case we're better off rid of him. Utd need players who can play under huge pressure – which there always is here.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
I posted elsewhere G or A, either way the point stands, he'll start off bright, everyone will start gassing him up, talking the club down, he'll then revert to type and do nothing.
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It certainly seems a mentality thing with Sancho as he’s talented enough. Even down to his physical work I’m not really sure he’s got the dedication to more than the minimum level and often not even that.
 
Sancho may or may not be a idiot, that’s not some determining factor of his footballing ability though.

This is another case of a player joining United to then go on & live out near enough the worst version of their footballing career imaginable.

Sancho not being the world’s best winger is not an excuse for yet another expensive signing doing feck all for us. Football is bbc a job to these guys, he is not the first footballer to turn up late to train or play computers. He did all this at Dortmund the first time & they’ve took him back so people who’ve actually worked with him, not some fans behind their iPhones, obviously deem the behaviour as not that bad.

He could well be sold by the close of the window but he’ll be back for Pre-Season next year.

Crashoutcassius said:
Not sure I agree. Comparing like for like, Rashford scored 30 goals last season. Garnacho has hardly been shit. Pellistri has probably showed more than Sancho. Antony is debatable but he hasn't been worse, and has done well defensively at least, which is half the game
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Garnacho has been good for 10-15 games & Rashford for as good as he was last year, was dropped for 0G/A Antony a few weeks ago. Both better than Sancho but relax.

To act as if anyone has been a resounding success under EtH is fanciful.

The fact Sancho scored a goal at Old Trafford last given the extensive opportunities Antony has been given mean he has been a far worse signing than not Sancho alone but potentially the worst post-Fergie signing of them all. He’s done well defensively, come off it. We concede every week, him running around like a headless chicken is his secondary role, he fails at his first.

I understand it’s vogue to cast Sancho as crap, he has been but Antony given the opportunity afforded shouldn’t be spoken about alongside any other signing.
 
ScarleyUtd said:
In that case we're better off rid of him. Utd need players who can play under huge pressure – which there always is here.
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Yeah I’m coming around the the conclusion that it’s certainly a mentality issue with Sancho. He doesn’t appear to have the level of dedication required to be consistently at his best and at the highest level you need to have focus and top levels of self motivation.
 
I'm convinced every German poster on here is just the same person. It's the only explanation for rival teams posters to join hands all kumbaya like every time anyone moves to or from their league.

One day a rival German fan will sign up and talk shit about other German teams and it'll twist their lederhosen from pure shock.
 
People often lose sight of things when a player leaves. If sancho does well at dortmund, then good luck to him. But it doesnt change that he had a long time here to do well and simply didnt. He looked out of shape, had a very average return of goals and assists, went missing as much as any player we have, and former teammates and current manager have both criticised his attitude towards training.

For me the most telling thing is that the vast majority of ex-players who speak about this, think he should have just sucked it up and went to the manager. The split in opinion seems to be between those who have played the sport at professional mens level and understand the dynamics and how dressing rooms work, and those that seem to think ten hags mild public criticism amounted to a sort of bullying. I find the latter position frankly embarrassing and Sancho's meltdown over such mild words speaks to maybe a generational thing, or else he's just the type of soft character we can do without.
 
SER19 said:
People often lose sight of things when a player leaves. If sancho does well at dortmund, then good luck to him. But it doesnt change that he had a long time here to do well and simply didnt. He looked out of shape, had a very average return of goals and assists, went missing as much as any player we have, and former teammates and current manager have both criticised his attitude towards training.

For me the most telling thing is that the vast majority of ex-players who speak about this, think he should have just sucked it up and went to the manager. The split in opinion seems to be between those who have played the sport at professional mens level and understand the dynamics and how dressing rooms work, and those that seem to think ten hags mild public criticism amounted to a sort of bullying. I find the latter position frankly embarrassing and Sancho's meltdown over such mild words speaks to maybe a generational thing, or else he's just the type of soft character we can do without.
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If that's the case I wonder why youbrarely hear managers criticizie their players publicly.
 
r0663664 said:
It seems he has more time of the ball than in premiere league, hopefully there is a deal for him so we recover 30 million pound.
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He will have more time on the ball in Germany but this was against the bottom team in the Bundesliga who are leaking 2.5 goals a game. He'll have more difficult games.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Avoid Bundesliga players. That should be the rule tbh.
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Haaland
Bellingham
Lewandowski

That's 3 players that left the Bundesliga after Sancho and immediately tore up their new league. Szoboszlai and Van der Wen both look like they'll be very good signings too.

This "avoid Bundesliga/Dortmund players" thing is nonsense. We just need to thoroughly scout players before signing them. If we did that we'd have seen that Sancho/Mkhitaryan had big question marks about their attitude/mentality whilst in the Bundesliga too.
 
Ultimately the whole Sancho situation can be traced back to the lack of a director of football and the problems it can create for the manager.

If ETH was not in charge of transfer (and let´s be honest he was/is) then Antony would not be (perceived) as his boy by the others. So the moment he continues to play him, despite a lack of production to justify his own actions as a DOF (or just to play him out of a slump), it still creates a sense of preferential treatment. This is all human nature from all parties involved (ETH, Sancho, others) and is amplified, when your manager is not a people person and some of your players are immature.

Not having a DOF creates so many problems, beyond the horrible squad mix bought together by many different managers over many years.
 
Acrobat7 said:
He says while there are 20+ posters out in full force dumping on Dortmun/Sancho/Bundesliga :lol:
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I think most are just being realistic. He'll find it a lot easier there...I really hope he kills it and we can flog him for a decent fee.
 
Pickle85 said:
I think most are just being realistic. He'll find it a lot easier there...I really hope he kills it and we can flog him for a decent fee.
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I agree, that would be the best case scenario for United.

I just found it hilarious that a poster complained about „the BDL being out in full force“ while there were two German posters in the thread and 20+ others. :lol:
 
Acrobat7 said:
I agree, that would be the best case scenario for United.

I just found it hilarious that a poster complained about „the BDL being out in full force“ while there were two German posters in the thread and 20+ others. :lol:
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There's more than two tbf. What's hilarious is how many Bayern/Leverkusen fans come to Sancho's aid when he's knocked here.
 
sizzling sausages said:
Haaland
Bellingham
Lewandowski

That's 3 players that left the Bundesliga after Sancho and immediately tore up their new league. Szoboszlai and Van der Wen both look like they'll be very good signings too.

This "avoid Bundesliga/Dortmund players" thing is nonsense. We just need to thoroughly scout players before signing them. If we did that we'd have seen that Sancho/Mkhitaryan had big question marks about their attitude/mentality whilst in the Bundesliga too.
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Kagawa
Mhkitaryan
Sancho

Bellingham was smashing it in the championship at sixteen years old, he's a generational player who we tried to sign from Birmingham. He's not a "bundesliga player". He just went there for minutes, absolutely pissed it for 24 months then left for the biggest club on earth, where he is indeed smashing it.

Lewandowski is a top striker but he did go to the biggest Club in the league and also, was never truly loved by Bayern fans.

For everyone that is good there are five that are bad.
 
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