Righto.
Jack Grenglish
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Righto.
I mean, Martin O'Neill >>> Roy Hodgeson, but world class he is not.
Sensible decision, how could you have a. Grealish playing for England
What an awful career decision.
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England are hardly setting the world alight, it's not an awful career decision at all.What an awful career decision.
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It's a marvellous career decision, unlike Sterling, he won't get exhausted all the time with those 3 extra games that he's relatively less likely to have to play once every four years.England are hardly setting the world alight, it's not an awful career decision at all.
Jesus
I've read some ridiculous statements on here before but that is right up there.You've had too many magic mushrooms tonight
Add a worldie like Grealish to a side that is already drawing Germany and we'll be winning tournaments, let alone 3 extra games.
And why does that article only mention a grandparent from Galway, I'm fairly sure his dad is from Dublin.
Well he's 62 so he better hurry up. Pep & Jose can't hold the fort forever.
Why so long? He could be ready soon enough if you ask me. And O'neill is not a world-class coachAbsolutely amazing news
. Craggy Island is not doing you well lad.What an awful career decision.
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It depends how good he gets, if he turns into a world class player which is unlikely but not impossible then it probably is a bad career decision to choose Ireland. It's more likely that he'll just become a good premier league player and if he were to play for England as a winger/attacking midfielder he would be competing with Sterling and Barkely.
I'd rather play for Ireland and earn potentially 100+ caps for them then being a bit part player for England, even if that means not going to a World Cup with Ireland.
Indeed
Martin O'Neil is nowhere near the level required to even be considered a World Class coach
I'll like to have some of what you are having son.
O'Neil world class
Very true....was actually too much whiskey last night. O'Neill is class but definitely not world class....booze and football opinionating is never a good mix -Eamonn Dunphy is proof of that
O'Neill is not better than Moyes, reckon he would flounder just as much as the latter did with a top team.
Yeah, I've seen a few articles that state his Dad's from Dublin.
I completely agree....but I think O'Neill has way more personality than Moyes. Both managers are masters at getting the best out of smaller teams which is why O'Neill is perfect for Ireland. After painful reigns under Staunton, Kerr and Trap - we are lucky to have O'Neill.....but yes O'Neill is not trained tactically to handle a team like utd
Central midfield is his position isn't it? Apparently talent is up there with Wilshere at the same age.
I can't really comment on him as a player as I've not seen him, all i can really do is comment on this decision and it seems absolute bonkers to me, England will be reaching quarter finals/semi-finals (hopefully finals) of major competitions during his career and he's choosing to represent a country who more times than not don't even qualify for these competitions, it's just strange and something which I'm sure he'll regret at the end of his career, in the same way Giggs probably does deep down.
Edit:- I'm thinking of Dan Crowley re:- comparisons to Wilshere.
Yeah I get that and it's something I agree with. I think Keane is also a big presence in this Irish dressing room and if Grealish declares his allegiance for Ireland, he will have played a big role there.
Owen Hargreaves certainly wasn't raised or educated in England
England's under 21 team does looks very strong. Then you have the like of Wilson etc to add to that.
English teams always look very strong. The problem is when they get to the competitions.
There's been, what, nine major tournaments since England reached any semi-finals? 18 years since Euro 96. That's very nearly as long as Grealish has been alive.
Add in the fact that the England team is probably weaker right now than at any other point in those 18 years and it doesn't look like England will be seeing too many semi's or finals during Grealish's career either. Maybe he'd get three or four quarter finals at most, with the odd group stage knockout in between.
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So he's denying declaring for ireland now. Well done Irish Times
I dunno, the squad we took to the last one was awful - particularly the striker force, Marvin Sordell our best striker. In general it was full of players who were never going to make it.
The exciting thing about the current under 21's is they're very un-English in style and keep the ball extremely well.
England have some of the best youth sides in Europe at the moment. There was a strange gap where we didn't produce much between anyone over 24/25 and the "golden generation" but there's plenty of top talents in the youth teams at the moment, and those youth teams are performing well. Grealish's generation will be the next 12 years, not what's happened the last 6. The under 17's just won their Euro's, the under 21's featuring a fair few of the player's who won the under 17 euro's in 2010 look very talented, and the under 19 squad has some very good talents within it at the moment.
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NoWin certainly lost the plot in this thread
From an outsiders point of view I'd say the English under 21s team looks stronger that the first team.
I wasn´t talking specifically about under 21 teams, i was talking about english senior teams in major tournaments (in the context of what NoWinNoFee wrote).
Aye, except I wasn't talking about the last six years, it stretches back further than that. England have been in one semi final in the last twenty-two years. Consider the talent they had in that period (including the golden generation). Now, are England's young players so much better than all these previous generations that they're going to be able to reach multiple semi-finals in the next twelve years? I seriously doubt it.
They look like better footballers who are more in tune with the modern game, yes. That should serve them well. Besides which, if England's future is bad, what's Ireland's? They basically don't even do producing players anymore. Looking at their squad Coleman aside they've got absolutely no one aged under 30 who's actually Irish and any good. Not sustainable to keep hoping to pinch English and Scotsman. Extremely difficult to see them making a world cup unless something drastically changes there.
His dad's name is Kevin Grealish, according to his Facebook page he was educated at Archbishop William RC and Hall Green College, both in Birmingham. His father might have been born in Dublin but it looks like he was raised in England.
Not arguing that Ireland's is future is bright, we're facing a massive dearth of young talent atm, probably the worst we've seen in years.
It's not like opting for England guarantees major tournament glory either though, or anything near it. If England had a realistic chance of winning these tournaments then turning them down would be a bigger deal but as is it's hardly the end of the world for Grealish's career.
Nice facebook stalking. I think Jack's brother mentioned their dad being from Dublin, maybe not, if so I suppose he moved over as a kid.
He posted the Jack declaring for Ireland article. Get the champagne back out boys!