Exactly. Wankers tend to be winners.
Jack Grealish
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Exactly. Wankers tend to be winners.
I have a couple of friends who support Forest and Leeds, and whenever I mention Keane and Cantona they tell me both were wankers.
Funnily enough they were the two players that popped into my head when I posted that.
Yeah I think I recall that being a common feeling amongst United fans.
Our fanbase loves overestimating our young players based on flashes of brilliance. The likes of Welbeck, Januzaj, TFM etc. were all apparently going to be superstars here. A year ago the trio of Garner, Gomes and Chong were all being built up as readymade first teamers who were being robbed of game time, where are they now? Tuanzebe's poor performances this season are also shattering a few illusions. For every young/academy player that will make it here there will be hundreds that won't.
And even those who actually manage to break through the academy (Rash, Greenwood) need elite and healthy competition for their places. Academy products deserve a proper chance if they're actually good enough but there's no room for years and years of favoritism towards them if we want to get back to the top. If they're good enough they'll see out any competition that comes their way.
when I asked "why not?", I wasn't asking why won't Grealish why we shouldn't we buy him (things I agree with). I was asking why won't he work here "unless we accept he's the most important player at the club"
its just waffle it means nothing
Hypothetically Grealish comes here he plays either left wing or central attacking mid and we drop Bruno or Rashford as bench warmers do we improve overall ? Or do we improve in positions we are already sufficient in therefore causing us to not progress at all ? That is the real question.
Grealish is good but he's not good enough to be levels above Rashford or Bruno that is the whole point. When I hear Grealish mentioned among those on the forum it sounds like they are describing the calibre of a prime Ronaldo or Messi mid 20's.
At this point, yes. Grealish is levels above Rashford. That shouldn't be even a debate.
Also with Sancho, you know young player. There's this thing called inconsistency that is creeping in.
Unless Ole can spend 100m then wait another 4 years before Sancho is matured and can be "expected" some sort of consistency.
The only reason I'm worried about Grealish to City is because it makes sense.
City hardly have an ethos of homegrown players but if it makes sense to them they will go for it to prove they aren't so different. It happened with John Stones, nothing special but a good ball playing defender thst Pep could manage so City went for him.
If Pep views Grealish as good enough to take over David Silva's position then I can see that happening to prove they are a bit more caring about homegrown players. Foden may play out wide or take De Bruynes place when he gets older.
City hardly have an ethos of homegrown players but if it makes sense to them they will go for it to prove they aren't so different. It happened with John Stones, nothing special but a good ball playing defender thst Pep could manage so City went for him.
If Pep views Grealish as good enough to take over David Silva's position then I can see that happening to prove they are a bit more caring about homegrown players. Foden may play out wide or take De Bruynes place when he gets older.
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Grealish for rashford is as straight a swap there is and I would do it in a heartbeat.
If rashford is that good he can fight for the gaping hole on right wing
If rashford is that good he can fight for the gaping hole on right wing
Imagine Grealish, Foden and De Bruyne in the same team. Just pure, boundless creativity.
It'd be suicidal to let that happen.
Grealish clearly has a bit of a soft spot for us - his old tweets, favourite ground Old Trafford, quotes about always dreaming of scoring there etc - so I think if we go hard enough for him, and are willing to pay Villa what he's worth (which will be a huge amount, but worth every penny) then he'll come here.
He's arguably the best player in the league since last season. Absolutely sensational.
Grealish has been absolute class since the 17/18 season. He really matured that year and became a very consistent class act. It was obvious he was - eventually - going to take the PL by storm.
And, I'm sorry, but there's too much emphasis on Bruno's stats. So many of his goals are pens, and so many of his assists are relatively simple. Sure, he's capable of class moments, but, as a whole, he isn't in Grealish's league.
He is much better than both Rashford and Bruno. Replace Rashford with him on the left, and our left would become so much better. If Rashford can't do the business on the right, upfront, or in another position, then there's the bench.
Well we will have to agree to disagree. Bruno has taken up a whole new level. And has outshone everyone in the league since he arrived.
As for him stat padding, he literally scored the winner again Pool in the FA cup barely a week back. Grealish is a fine player but since he plays for Villa and is their talisman, there's a lot of focus on him. Him and Bruno are practically the same age and this is his first big season.
We can only laugh at the hyperbole
To be honest, I've not been a person who thinks that Haaland is going to be a Man City player (because he doesnt seem like a Pep player) -
Yet if they bought Grealish i can imagine Haaland happening more -
Haaland
Grealish - De Bryune - Foden
Grealish - De Bryune - Foden
Wasn't keen on him in the summer but he has gone up a level this season, he's fulfilled his potential and would be strong addition for sure.
Yeah. "Much better than Bruno" "not in Grealish league".
Also stat padding is nonsense. There was a tweet which said no midfielder scored more goals from open play than Bruno since he made his debut.
Grealish matches him for both goals and assists, and is a better player with the ball.
On the ball, I agree. But players spend most of the games of the ball. And Bruno is one of the best of the ball. They would be great next to each other.
Did he? How many did he score and assist since last season and how many did Bruno get?
Grealish scored eight in a full season, and Bruno scored four in less than half a season last year. This season, they both have six goals in similar playing time.
For assists, Grealish has nine this season, and Bruno has seven. Last season, it was seven for Grealish and same for Bruno.
Their goals and assists count has been identical this season.
They could easily play with each other. What space they’d create
Although I don’t necessarily agree with him, there are certain aspects to Grealish’s game that are lightyears ahead of Rashford.
No, Grealish is not levels above Rashford.
It's a fair point you're making here. But just to play devil's advocate a bit - football doesn't just work in a vacuum of us signing Grealish and it working perfectly. For every RVP there's an Alexis Sanchez. On the City stuff -- again, true, but whilst we spend a lot, we're clearly not on their same budget level. One could possibly even argue we're not on the same aspiration levels from those in charge.
I think Grealish is a very good player, and absolutely a profile we're missing. I think I'd just prefer Jadon Sancho, though. I think he offers as much quality; fixes a profile we're lacking; and does so at the cost of less tactical upheaval. If life was perfect we'd sign both.
It would take Grealish roughly 45 minutes to wipe that smug emoji out of your vocabulary. His drive, decison-making, efficiency and not least, consistency, is something both Bruno Fernandes and Rashford lack compared to him. Everyone loves Bruno when he is delivering, but he looks downright poor in games where that doesn’t happen. Hit or miss, not quite good enough. A top player has a high bottom level, these guys do not. Bruno’s top level in terms of assists/goals is so high it kind of works when he’s a liability the next game, but recent games and lack of goals asks the question - is he really as good as people thinks he is or has he gone through a purple patch? Time will show, but he has delivered so poorly it’s soon time to bench him based on merit.
And it would take forever for you to develop some sense.
I didn't argue whether both are as good as each other or even one is better than the other. Anyone saying one is miles better or levels above other is just taking nonsense.
So Bruno had seven assists in half a season, Grealish had 7 in full season.
Fernandes made 2.3 key passes per 90 for his seven assists, while Grealish made 2.5 key passes per 90 for his seven. This season, Grealish has two more assists than Fernandes. A lot easier when you aren't playing with Wesley and Keinan Davis huh?
I'm not the one who tried to come across as smart anyway, and I know Fernandes has eleven goals as well, because that is exactly what I expect will follow.
Bruno Fernandes is not on the same planet talent wise as Grealish. I don't know why you are bothering to have this 'stat' debate.
Only a bias United fan thinks Bruno is better, nobody else.
Ok.
Maybe when you get some time to watch football other than United. Go watch Grealish. He's actually entertaining.
Grealish is my favorite player outside ManUtd but then it makes 0 sense to have any discussion with you. It's just waste of time.
He's your favorite player but you can say with your chest Bruno is better?
But yes that's fine.
People willing to write our players off for the admiration of a shiny new toy it's laughable but typical of fan sentiment. I'd completely agree to move the mould of our first 11 if we are talking about a genuine generational level of talent.
Grealish being levels above Rashford / Bruno.... that is a true cry for help toward the criteria of delusion. Statistically they are above Grealish in overall contribution. One common theme that everyone attributes is maybe Jack's ability to keep the ball tightly which is good but does this make or break a footballer ? If that's the case then Adama is the best player in the league in consecutive seasons. Grealish needs to offer a lot more to get us to write off Rashford / Bruno from our starting 11 that is the crux of the issue. Not to mention spending 100 million on a player where other areas of the squad have glaring weaknesses.
Grealish being levels above Rashford / Bruno.... that is a true cry for help toward the criteria of delusion. Statistically they are above Grealish in overall contribution. One common theme that everyone attributes is maybe Jack's ability to keep the ball tightly which is good but does this make or break a footballer ? If that's the case then Adama is the best player in the league in consecutive seasons. Grealish needs to offer a lot more to get us to write off Rashford / Bruno from our starting 11 that is the crux of the issue. Not to mention spending 100 million on a player where other areas of the squad have glaring weaknesses.
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He said, OUTSIDE United.