Jack Grealish / signs new 5 year contract

[AneRu]

Ahh, fck that season. That Everton draw and Wigan loss...

Reflecting on it I think that's the season where the wheels came off with our squad/club. Van Persie joining the following season papered over the cracks and he drove us to a title we had no business winning without him.

The underlying issues were there but with Fergie on his way out we had no one with the ability to see them. Rio, Evra and Vidic were on their last legs, we had one decent midfielder throughout the squad, Rooney was declining whilst Valencia/Young were preferred for their work rate at the expense of the more talented Nani.

We were walking into a perfect storm and no one saw it.

 

[MadDogg]

Mate you're just squirming and deflecting so that you don't have to admit he'll be a backup.

Relax, being a backup isn't bad and Terry/Ole were backups to Cole and Yorke, to say otherwise is just foolish.

Everyone always thinks of the Yorke and Cole combo because of the famous treble season where they were obviously the dominant pairing, but there were other periods where Teddy and Ole were first choice. Four players who were close enough in quality so that they pushed each other to be at their best to keep their starting spot, and the manager could then pick whoever was playing the best and was best for the team.

That's what bringing Sancho and Grealish into this team would do - 6 players rotating amongst 4 spots. There would definitely be times where Grealish would tend to be on the bench, but there would also be times where he was mostly starting. 'Backup' indicates somebody who is significantly behind the starters and will only play when the first choice is injured or needs to be rested. That wouldn't be the case for Grealish (unless he fails and struggles to bring his Villa form here, which is always a possibility but unlikely in his case). He'll be given the opportunity to win a starting spot and it'll be up to him and the others to fight it out.

I do tend to disagree with people saying he'd rotate with Pogba as well though. Maybe he'd get the odd game there, but not regularly.

 

[YAMS49]

How many times have you seen Grealish or Bruno play in a double pivot?

Bruno can play that role if pushed, Grealish no chance.

 

[fps]

Mahrez cost £75mil and he’s not a starter, if you want to challenge for trophies you need a strong squad.

Yes he’s something different and I wonder if he’d be bought partly to play a different system than the main one, if he was to be bought.

 

[FootballHQ]

Really wouldn't shock me if he stayed a new deal now we've stayed up. Talk we're going to offer him 5 years and 100k a week although I imagine that will have a release clause in for next summer.

He'll still only be 26 next summer and England will start calling him up as soon as internationals start up again so that's one problem sorted. Don't see the harm in him giving us another 12 months now we've stayed up, hopefully we'll start signing some better players to help him out a bit.

I get the feeling Man. United have cooled their interest somewhat. Bruno Fernandes being way better than expected, Pogba seemingly happy to stay and him coming in would also mean less minutes for Mason Greenwood who had a fantastic breakthrough season so you want to build on that. Add in seemingly wanting to get Sancho in this summer and I just don't see enough room for him.

Most obvious fit leaving us to me is Man. City but seems they think he's overpriced. We certainly aren't selling him in late September, that would be complete madness.

 

[croadyman]

You overrate Bruno. Went back and watched some of our games he played this season and honestly he doesn't look after the ball enough and I can understand why other big clubs where hesitant about picking him up.

When the padded stats dry up, Bruno will frustrate alot of us as other parts of his game apart from the closing down is not up to scratch honestly.


This is my opinion but having Pogba and Bruno especially in high profile games is very risky and makes us unstable and you will see when the big games come next season.

Grealish or Thiago in that midfield is absolutely necessary, we need a press resistant player badly.

It doesn't matter if it's in AM or CM, but we need one or even at least two in midfield.

Think if Utd got any sense that Liverpool were hesitating on Thiago reckon they would go for it

 

[Sandikan]

I know but didn't we go a man down because of him too? He was untouchable in that game and to me that's what you need from your AM even if he doesn't score or assist much.

Because of Silva? No. It was Evans dreadful foul on Balotelli as last man that saw us down to ten.
One of Evans huge catalogue of errors that people still seem to ignore and try and proclaim him a quality player to this day.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Yet he somehow got us about 20 G+A in as many games, having joined mid-season, and has also hit the post several times. Give the guy a break.

I know right. Not to mention his important leadership and without him, the 4231 system just doesn't work at a decent level at least.

Just describing what happened in his player performance and other threads mate. I expect to see similar knives to be dished out for next season.

 

[midnightmare]

Should absolutely be looking at buying Grealish. Our squad is paper thin and the chasm to the bench options is frightening. I also don't get why anyone feels he will be purely "backup" or permanently on the bench. Even if we get both Sancho and Grealish, we'd be literally 2 injuries / suspensions away from having Mata, Andreas and Lingard starting / being subs in one of the front 4 positions. We shall be playing a minimum of 50 - and quite possibly 60+ games next season in an already crunched calendar with barely any break between seasons (our season still isn't over). It would take a special kind of lunacy to enter that without capable high-quality options to afford much-needed rotation that will ensure some level of freshness and keep exhaustion at bay.

 

[croadyman]

Should absolutely be looking at buying Grealish. Our squad is paper thin and the chasm to the bench options is frightening. I also don't get why anyone feels he will be purely "backup" or permanently on the bench. Even if we get both Sancho and Grealish, we'd be literally 2 injuries / suspensions away from having Mata, Andreas and Lingard starting / being subs in one of the front 4 positions. We shall be playing a minimum of 50 - and quite possibly 60+ games next season in an already crunched calendar with barely any break between seasons (our season still isn't over). It would take a special kind of lunacy to enter that without capable high-quality options to afford much-needed rotation that will ensure some level of freshness and keep exhaustion at bay.

Yeah he would provide us with not just some much needed creative depth but also a player who is both press resistant and able to glide past players for fun too

I agree with people who say we shouldn't just pay £80m for him,however despite what Villa might say I believe there is room for negotiation.

 

[croadyman]

Grealish odds back in from 10/1 to 4/1

 

[Isotope]

RVP was the best finisher in the league by that time. Kagawa - that one maybe, but he wasn't considered overpriced in that market.

True about RVP.

Grealish at 50m isn't overpriced, imho.

 

[croadyman]

True about RVP.

Grealish at 50m isn't overpriced, imho.

Yeah I think £50m-£55m is about right

 

[midnightmare]

Yeah he would provide us with not just some much needed creative depth but also a player who is both press resistant and able to glide past players for fun too

I agree with people who say we shouldn't just pay £80m for him,however despite what Villa might say I believe there is room for negotiation.

That’s the thing about price though. You never know till after the fact. If Grealish were to play, say 35 games next season (all comps) and help us win a couple of trophies (through his own exploits and the fact that he allows us good rotation), 80 Mn could end up being a real bargain. Again, who else can you think of that is all of - young (<25), PL-proven, leadership material on the pitch, proven press-resistant and with the creative and goal-scoring prowess that Grealish brings in that position? Are there better players that offer all of this that come in cheap? If not, how do you say the price should be x or y or z?

All that said, of course we’d be absolute mugs to just stump up without massive haggling and substantial contingent (clause-based) payment structures.

 

[croadyman]

That’s the thing about price though. You never know till after the fact. If Grealish were to play, say 35 games next season (all comps) and help us win a couple of trophies (through his own exploits and the fact that he allows us good rotation), 80 Mn could end up being a real bargain. Again, who else can you think of that is all of - young (<25), PL-proven, leadership material on the pitch, proven press-resistant and with the creative and goal-scoring prowess that Grealish brings in that position? Are there better players that offer all of this that come in cheap? If not, how do you say the price should be x or y or z?

All that said, of course we’d be absolute mugs to just stump up without massive haggling and substantial contingent (clause-based) payment structures.

Yeah you can see that from the haggling that is taking place over the Sancho deal right now

 

[Slysi17]

Yeah I don't think the club will get Grealish if it affects our transfer plan. Stone Ducker Hirst have all said we want Sancho and a CB so that's our priority. If we get Grealish it would be after we get those two positions sorted. And a Sancho+CB+Grealish signing JS a very good window

Don't think it's enough. I am unsure Fred can be relied upon to cover for Matic. I certainly don't think McTominay can. Signing Grealish for over 40 million means we can't buy a defensive midfielder. Can't see Matic being able to play most of the games. If Grealish is going to cost over 40 million pounds would rather get Van De Beek. Means we could get a defensive midfielder too. If we spend over 40 million pounds on Grealish when they are cheaper options out there that are just as good, it shows we have an obsession signing British players.

 

[croadyman]

Don't think it's enough. I am unsure Fred can be relied upon to cover for Matic. I certainly don't think McTominay can. Signing Grealish for over 40 million means we can't buy a defensive midfielder. Can't see Matic being able to play most of the games. If Grealish is going to cost over 40 million pounds would rather get Van De Beek. Means we could get a defensive midfielder too. If we spend over 40 million pounds on Grealish when they are cheaper options out there that are just as good, it shows we have an obsession signing British players.

Have written us off signing a DM when Ole started talking about playing Scott there next season

 

[Slysi17]

That’s the thing about price though. You never know till after the fact. If Grealish were to play, say 35 games next season (all comps) and help us win a couple of trophies (through his own exploits and the fact that he allows us good rotation), 80 Mn could end up being a real bargain. Again, who else can you think of that is all of - young (<25), PL-proven, leadership material on the pitch, proven press-resistant and with the creative and goal-scoring prowess that Grealish brings in that position? Are there better players that offer all of this that come in cheap? If not, how do you say the price should be x or y or z?

All that said, of course we’d be absolute mugs to just stump up without massive haggling and substantial contingent (clause-based) payment structures.

We can't afford to spend 80 million on Grealish. We're not Man City. Your living in fantasy land if you think we can win trophies without a centre back. Therefore spending 80 million on Grealish would be idiotic.

 

[Slysi17]

Have written us off signing a DM when Ole started talking about playing Scott there next season

Scott McTominay was awful against LASK today in that position. Also previously he has hasn't been that good there either. I don't agree with Ole there. If Nemanja Matic gets a long term injury, it could derail our season a bit. I hope for Ole's sake that doesn't happen.

 

[Alemar]

Have written us off signing a DM when Ole started talking about playing Scott there next season

After yesterday’s game Ole will reconsider

 

[Highfather_24]

Scott McTominay was awful against LASK today in that position. Also previously he has hasn't been that good there either. I don't agree with Ole there. If Nemanja Matic gets a long term injury, it could derail our season a bit. I hope for Ole's sake that doesn't happen.

If McTominay cannot even be counted as backup, he should be sold. Do you want him to be sold?

 

[croadyman]

After yesterday’s game Ole will reconsider

Yeah I am hoping he does look at the situation before making a definite decision

 

[Danillaco]

Think if Utd got any sense that Liverpool were hesitating on Thiago reckon they would go for it

In theory, with Sancho in the bag, we should go for the double swoop at Bayern and give Smalling one more try after his success at Roma.
Four players in and get rid of Jones and Rojo. Dalot, Lingard, Andreas up for loan, as seemingly Chong. He did good yesterday though.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Don't think it's enough. I am unsure Fred can be relied upon to cover for Matic. I certainly don't think McTominay can. Signing Grealish for over 40 million means we can't buy a defensive midfielder. Can't see Matic being able to play most of the games. If Grealish is going to cost over 40 million pounds would rather get Van De Beek. Means we could get a defensive midfielder too. If we spend over 40 million pounds on Grealish when they are cheaper options out there that are just as good, it shows we have an obsession signing British players.

Your opinion is exactly the same as mine. For the price Grealish will cost (60-80m) we can sort out our poor depth in AM and DM. But if Stone has already said we are getting 3 signings at best and Ole is always adamant that 3 signings is the maximum, I'm not very hopeful. So since it's likely just three signings I'm looking at the quality of those three signings which is why I said Grealish + Sancho + CB is a very good window.

 

[croadyman]

Your opinion is exactly the same as mine. For the price Grealish will cost (60-80m) we can sort out our poor depth in AM and DM. But if Stone has already said we are getting 3 signings at best and Ole is always adamant that 3 signings is the maximum, I'm not very hopeful. So since it's likely just three signings I'm looking at the quality of those three signings which is why I said Grealish + Sancho + CB is a very good window.

Yeah I would be very happy with that but still concerned about the DM situation like yourself

 

[Dante]

Discussions about market value are misleading, imo. It doesn't work like in a supermarket.

You have to ask yourself how much it will cost Aston Villa to replace Grealish. He's their best footballer, their most productive goalscorer, their most productive assister, their captain, and their main tempo setter.

Then you have to factor in the fact that Villa are a rich club with rich owners who can't be forced into taking gambles to save a bit money (ie. buying some cheap replacements from Europe for a net profit and hoping they come good in the PL).

£50m won't be enough to realistically compensate Villa for what they're losing. Grealish's 'market value' will be whatever his current club believes will take to keep them in the league after he leaves.

 

[Beachryan]

Discussions about market value are misleading, imo. It doesn't work like in a supermarket.

You have to ask yourself how much it will cost Aston Villa to replace Grealish. He's their best footballer, their most productive goalscorer, their most productive assister, their captain, and their main tempo setter.

Then you have to factor in the fact that Villa are a rich club with rich owners who can't be forced into taking gambles to save a bit money (ie. buying some cheap replacements from Europe for a net profit and hoping they come good in the PL).

£50m won't be enough to realistically compensate Villa for what they're losing. Grealish's 'market value' will be whatever his current club believes will take to keep them in the league after he leaves.

At the same time there is some player power here. He's at the height of his powers, has an opportunity to test himself at a top club in the CL and has given Villa loyalty and kept them up. If he is to do something else, this feels like the right moment in his career.

That should factor into it. And it would be different if there were lots of offers out there, but the impression I get is no club is going over 40m.

 

[croadyman]

At the same time there is some player power here. He's at the height of his powers, has an opportunity to test himself at a top club in the CL and has given Villa loyalty and kept them up. If he is to do something else, this feels like the right moment in his career.

That should factor into it. And it would be different if there were lots of offers out there, but the impression I get is no club is going over 40m.

I don't mind missing out on this summer provided that he stays at Villa

 

[OrcaFat]

Your opinion is exactly the same as mine. For the price Grealish will cost (60-80m) we can sort out our poor depth in AM and DM. But if Stone has already said we are getting 3 signings at best and Ole is always adamant that 3 signings is the maximum, I'm not very hopeful. So since it's likely just three signings I'm looking at the quality of those three signings which is why I said Grealish + Sancho + CB is a very good window.

Those three would be great depending who the CB is.

I don’t agree we could sort two positions with the Grealish money - that will only get players comparable to the squad players we have already once you add the fabled Utd tax.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Those three would be great depending who the CB is.

I don’t agree we could sort two positions with the Grealish money - that will only get players comparable to the squad players we have already once you add the fabled Utd tax.

We would get a CB good enough to be at least a solid squad option. I still think that's a good window.

You don't think 60-80m can get two solid players? Not every good player costs an arm and a leg

 

[Isotope]

We would get a CB good enough to be at least a solid squad option. I still think that's a good window.

You don't think 60-80m can get two solid players? Not every good player costs an arm and a leg

Yeh. Partey is quoted 45m. He's a starter material already.

 

[OrcaFat]

We would get a CB good enough to be at least a solid squad option. I still think that's a good window.

You don't think 60-80m can get two solid players? Not every good player costs an arm and a leg

My point is we have solid players in those areas. Fred cost £50million, didn’t he? You have to pay at least that much if you don’t want see a significant drop when your first choices are out (and to put pressure on the first team so there’s genuine competition for places). Probably our first teamers mostly need to be in the 70mill plus value bracket these days. If we want to win that is.

 

[LuckyScout78]

Federico Chiesa 2-3 years younger easily a better option. Giggs was a legend as a player. But sorry to disagree with him. Personally pick Sancho + Chiesa over Sancho + Grealish. Grealish is fast too. But Grealish doesn’t have the acceleration, explosiveness and top speed with the ball of Chiesa.

Not a chance as a full packet football player Grealish over Chiesa.

Buy Chiesa and move Rashford back as where he start his career. As a CF under Van Gaal. Then United will have a really good LW in Chiesa.

Chiesa as LW for United is a quality insurance. Money back to United if you are not satisfy with Chiesa as LW. 100 % sure about this. Same explosive as Mane on the left for Liverpool. Go for the direct hard working LW. Who are good and willing to track back too.

Federico Chiesa = on Bruno level. Clear as day.

 

[RDCR07]

Federico Chiesa 2-3 years younger easily a better option. Giggs was a legend as a player. But sorry to disagree with him. Personally pick Sancho + Chiesa over Sancho + Grealish. Grealish is fast too. But Grealish doesn’t have the acceleration, explosiveness and top speed with the ball of Chiesa.

Not a chance as a full packet football player Grealish over Chiesa.

Buy Chiesa and move Rashford back as where he start his career. As a CF under Van Gaal. Then United will have a really good LW in Chiesa.

Chiesa as LW for United is a quality insurance. Money back to United if you are not satisfy with Chiesa as LW. 100 % sure about this. Same explosive as Mane on the left for Liverpool. Go for the direct hard working LW. Who are good and willing to track back too.

Federico Chiesa = on Bruno level. Clear as day.

God you’re a terrible “scout”. Absolutely fecking terrible your posts are. Who the hell promoted you?

 

[jesperjaap]

Federico Chiesa 2-3 years younger easily a better option. Giggs was a legend as a player. But sorry to disagree with him. Personally pick Sancho + Chiesa over Sancho + Grealish. Grealish is fast too. But Grealish doesn’t have the acceleration, explosiveness and top speed with the ball of Chiesa.

Not a chance as a full packet football player Grealish over Chiesa.

Buy Chiesa and move Rashford back as where he start his career. As a CF under Van Gaal. Then United will have a really good LW in Chiesa.

Chiesa as LW for United is a quality insurance. Money back to United if you are not satisfy with Chiesa as LW. 100 % sure about this. Same explosive as Mane on the left for Liverpool. Go for the direct hard working LW. Who are good and willing to track back too.

Federico Chiesa = on Bruno level. Clear as day.

So move Rashford back to a striker which he didnt really excel at, what next if Chiesa is injured move Martial to the left where he also didnt really excel at. If you had of said have CHiesa as competition to Rashford/Fernandes/SAncho I would see the point but sorry that makes your whole post utter nonsense before you even get to the 100% quality insurance twaddle. No player is guaranteed to be a success not Sancho, DiMaria, Veron etc etc etc.

I like Chiesa, but he is a left or right winger really so he is for me an alternative to Sancho, not an alternative to Grealish who can play a couple of midfield roles too.

 

[Che Guevara]

True about RVP.

Grealish at 50m isn't overpriced, imho.

That's true if Villa had got relegated because the player would definitely be pushing for a move. But now Villa are looking to rebuild a stronger squad around him and will be determined to keep him, unless a club is prepared to pay crazy money.

 

[croadyman]

That's true if Villa had got relegated because the player would definitely be pushing for a move. But now Villa are looking to rebuild a stronger squad around him and will be determined to keep him, unless a club is prepared to pay crazy money.

I still thought we would push for Grealish even though Villa have stayed up. However my gut feeling is we have moved on and only him being vocal about leaving the club will revive any interest.

 

[Che Guevara]

He is definitely worth pursuing, he is quality. But once Villa survived, he is going to cost much more, but perhaps that's not a big problem for United anyway. Either he will still push for a move to a much bigger club or he will make numerous rebuilding and personal contractual demands to stay. Villa definitely need to do a massive car boot sale to get rid of all the junk they bought last year and re-invest.

 

[RedDevilRoshi]

Federico Chiesa 2-3 years younger easily a better option. Giggs was a legend as a player. But sorry to disagree with him. Personally pick Sancho + Chiesa over Sancho + Grealish. Grealish is fast too. But Grealish doesn’t have the acceleration, explosiveness and top speed with the ball of Chiesa.

Not a chance as a full packet football player Grealish over Chiesa.

Buy Chiesa and move Rashford back as where he start his career. As a CF under Van Gaal. Then United will have a really good LW in Chiesa.

Chiesa as LW for United is a quality insurance. Money back to United if you are not satisfy with Chiesa as LW. 100 % sure about this. Same explosive as Mane on the left for Liverpool. Go for the direct hard working LW. Who are good and willing to track back too.

Federico Chiesa = on Bruno level. Clear as day.

No chance! Rashford is much more productive as a LW than a number 9. His stats this season prove that.

 

[Ace]

Think he’ll spend another year with Villa and end up a United player in ‘21. I think United are going to struggle to move on all of our players who occupy that attacking midfield role (Mata, Lingard, Andreas) this season given the circumstances.