Jack Grealish / signs new 5 year contract

[UNITED ACADEMY]

You didn't need to correct anything, I know what I said was sufficient. There is less of a gap in creativity+goals than there is in their defence. You pointing out stats from an isolated game will point to nothing in the matter - why don't you look at Arsenal's standing in chances created versus chances conceded? You'll get a better picture.

I didn't say Ceballos & Saka alone were enough. I said the creativity they have from those players + Aubemayang (provided he stays), Lacazette and Pepe points to a less gap in quality from forward/advance midfield areas. I think buying Grealish and no defenders/holding midfielders will be of lesser impact than avoiding Grealish and buying 2-3 good options around areas they actually need.


Here is Ornsteins quote on Coutinho from The Athletic: "I have no information on this. I don’t know anything about it. So if it is happening, it’s beyond my knowledge."
So as I said, no tier 1 source looks to have viably Coutinho to Arsenal. No source has actually linked Grealish to Arsenal as a current target either.

Look at the facts. Grealish is being touted as £80m but that's stupid for any club. Truth is maybe 1) £40-50m would be enough 2) Totally Football Show (Athletic associated podcast) had mentioned Arsenal as having a big budget limitation, citing FA Cup as vital in getting something vs nothing, 3) Arteta himself pointed to an inability to spend big as a "big concern".

Yeah, by pointing to Arsenal going for Grealish as an actual likelihood you are insinuating that they will spend most their budget on him. Or you're insinuating they will get him for a bargain price. Both of these are remote.

Which is why I'll go back to my main point, I think Grealish to Arsenal has no legs.

You are missing the point. It's not about whether it's happening or they can or can't afford him so read this carefully again please.

Makes sense, only Arsenal is the team who is desperate for creative attacking mid. They'll go for him if they have the money for sure. The other teams aren't desperate to spend such a money to sign him.

My post was very clear that of the top teams in PL, only Arsenal is desperate to sign creative player like him to improve their XI. The other teams aren't desperate to sign someone like him at all. If all those top teams have the money, no club will be so desperate to spend crazy on Grealish except Arsenal.

 

[VP89]

You are missing the point. It's not about whether it's happening or they can or can't afford him so read this carefully again please.



My post was very clear that of the top teams in PL, only Arsenal is desperate to sign creative player like him to improve their XI. The other teams aren't desperate to sign someone like him at all. If all those top teams have the money, no club will be so desperate to spend crazy on Grealish except Arsenal.

I missed no point, because you claim Arsenal are "desperate for a creative player". I've shown already to you that they aren't, and debunked the links you suggested to this (e.g Coutinho).

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I missed no point, because you claim Arsenal are "desperate for a creative player". I've shown already to you that they aren't, and debunked the links you suggested to this (e.g Coutinho).

That's something we can agree & disagree then.

Ornstein also said the same thing about Havertz in his podcast couple weeks ago (Click the link to go directly to the reddit or the podcast itself). Coutinho isn't the only creative player available in the market.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

That's something we can agree & disagree then.

Ornstein also said the same thing about Havertz couple weeks ago.

What language is that?

 

[croadyman]

That really would be a great squad! Fingers crossed!

Still think we could stand to upgrade CB, CDM and LB in that order, but adding Sancho and Grealish this summer should prove to establish our attack.

Yeah I have stopped banging the CDM drum now because absolutely certain that McTominay is going to be covering Matic next season, in regards to LB I think it very much depends on how Shaw returns from this latest injury setback but would like someone with better delivery no doubt about that.

 

[VP89]

That's something we can agree & disagree then.

Ornstein also said the same thing about Havertz in his podcast couple weeks ago (Click the link to go directly to the reddit or the podcast itself). Coutinho isn't the only creative player available in the market.

He's a player you named, and Ornstein is the journalist you pointed to as tier one, not me.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

He's a player you named, and Ornstein is the journalist you pointed to as tier one, not me.

I named a player doesn't mean he's the only one, so point still stands here.

Ornstein mentioned they are looking for wide players. Zaha, Grealish & Coutinho could play on the left and those three are creative player.

 

[VP89]

I named a player doesn't mean he's the only one, so point still stands here.

Not really. You say Arsenal are crying out for a creative midfielder Like Grealish. I say no chance a player of Grealish value is on their radar, when they have other areas as a priority.

I pointed out no proper source even linked Grealish or similar talent to Arsenal. You point to Ornstein, who I quoted. Feel free to quote the Ornstein article segment yourself to clear your bit if you need to. I can't get much clearer than stating Arsenal aren't crying out to spend most their budget on Jack Grealish or similar.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Not really. You say Arsenal are crying out for a creative midfielder Like Grealish. I say no chance a player of Grealish value is on their radar, when they have other areas as a priority.

I pointed out no proper source even linked Grealish or similar talent to Arsenal. You point to Ornstein, who I quoted. Feel free to quote the Ornstein article segment yourself to clear your bit if you need to. I can't get much clearer than stating Arsenal aren't crying out to spend most their budget on Jack Grealish or similar.

''creative midfielder like Grealish''. My point still stands, it wasn't about they are targeting Grealish.

Makes sense, only Arsenal is the team who is desperate for creative attacking mid. They'll go for him if they have the money for sure. The other teams aren't desperate to spend such a money to sign him.

You clearly missed the point. I never say they can afford him, I put ''if'' for a reason.

 

[croadyman]

I'd love Grealish - I think he covers a lot of positions, is English (good for HG quota) and btw he's a great player. If he can thrive at Villa (where I realise all their play goes through him), imagine playing at OT alongside Pogba, Bruno, Sancho, Rashford, Martial etc.? He's a leader and has that arrogant swagger that shows he'd be able to cope with the pressures of playing for us.

That said, £80m is too much. It's not my money so I'll still be pleased if we sign him but assuming we don't have a bottomless pit of funds, there will be other priorities once Sancho is sorted IMO.

Yeah definitely strikes me as having that arrogant swagger to cope with playing for this club, totally agree that £80m is too much and that's why I still could see a £50-55m plus addons deal later in the window. You cannot tell me he isn't tempted by playing alongside those names you mentioned because he wants to further his career whatever he may say in public.

 

[VP89]

''creative midfielder like Grealish''. My point still stands, it wasn't about they are targeting Grealish.

You clearly missed the point. I never say they can afford him, I put ''if'' for a reason.

Your point doesn't stand. In the very first post I quoted from you from this thread, you literally said "they will go for him (Grealish) for sure if they have the money".

Now you're saying the point isn't about targeting Grealish. Make your mind up.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Your point doesn't stand. In the very first post I quoted from you from this thread, you literally said "they will go for him for sure if they have the money".

Now you're saying the point isn't about targeting Grealish. Make your mind up.

Do you know the difference between ''they are targeting''' with ''they will go/target him if'' ?

Present tense vs conditional tense. My point still stands.

 

[VP89]

Do you know the difference between ''they are targeting''' with ''they will go/target him if'' ?

Present tense vs conditional tense. My point still stands.

No. You claim it wasn't about them targeting Grealish if they could make the transfer fee, when you clearly said they are desperate for a player like him, and will go for him if they can make the fee.

Read this:

''creative midfielder like Grealish''. My point still stands, it wasn't about they are targeting Grealish.

Then this :

Makes sense, only Arsenal is the team who is desperate for creative attacking mid. They'll go for him if they have the money for sure.

As I said, you need to make up your mind on the matter.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

No, you have no point. You said it wasn't about them targeting Grealish if they could make the transfer fee, when you clearly said they are desperate for a player like him, and will go for him if they can make the fee.

Read this:

Then this :


As I said, make up your mind. Or accept there is no point.

Present tense:

My point still stands, it wasn't about they are targeting Grealish.

Conditional tense

Makes sense, only Arsenal is the team who is desperate for creative attacking mid. They'll go for him if they have the money for sure. The other teams aren't desperate to spend such a money to sign him.

You need to know the difference between present tense and conditional tense. My point still stands.

 

[croadyman]

I admire Jack if he's able to turn down playing with the likes of Pogba, Bruno, Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford & Martial to stay loyal to Villa

 

[VP89]

Present tense:



Conditional tense



You need to know the difference between present tense and conditional tense. My point still stands.

Jesus christ. It's so clear you need to go back and learn tenses yourself. You said they'd go for grealish if they had money, then you say you didn't say they'd target grealish.

Putting it on the condition of money means feck all, because I said they will use said money on focusing on other areas first. So yes, you still have no fecking point, condition or not. Them being in a financially worse state just adds to the stupidity of your suggestion, in any case. Not more so than "they are crying out for a creative midfielder", of course.

You said Ornstein linked them to Coutinho Zaha and others and failed to bring about any proof. You were shown how Ornstein outright dismissed Coutinho and backtracked.

You also tried to show single game stats to suggest Arsenal have been creatively poor over a season. You then failed to read my post about creativity from numerous star players and ignorantly claimed their contribution is only for goals and oddly not for creation. This insinuates they score goals and defenders must be creating them, which is hilarious.

Youve been wrong on virtually every angle in this Grealish - Arsenal debate. Let's move on, il let you continue your Arsenal creative midfielder wet dream on the side.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Jesus christ. It's so clear you need to go back and learn tenses yourself. You said they'd go for grealish if they had money, then you say you didn't say they'd target grealish.

Putting it on the condition of money means feck all, because I said they will use said money on focusing on other areas first. So yes, you still have no fecking point, condition or not. Them being in a financially worse state just adds to the stupidity of your suggestion, in any case. Not more so than "they are crying out for a creative midfielder", of course.

You said Ornstein linked them to Coutinho Zaha and others and failed to bring about any proof. You were shown how Ornstein outright dismissed Coutinho and backtracked.

You also tried to show single game stats to suggest Arsenal have been creatively poor over a season. You then failed to read my post about creativity from numerous star players and ignorantly claimed their contribution is only for goals and oddly not for creation. This insinuates they score goals and defenders must be creating them, which is hilarious.

Youve been wrong on virtually every angle in this Grealish - Arsenal debate. Let's move on, il let you continue your Arsenal creative midfielder wet dream on the side.

I said they will target Grealish if they have money. What I don't say is that "they are targeting Grealish". That's two different things.

It's like saying Barcelona will target Sancho if they have money, but right now they are not targeting Sancho because they don't have the money to afford him.

Stop making things up, I said Ornstein mentioned Arsenal is targeting wide players basically reflects to my point that they are targeting creative player.

 

[VP89]

I said they will target Grealish if they have money. What I don't say is that "they are targeting Grealish". That's two different things.

It's like saying Barcelona will target Sancho if they have money, but right now they are not targeting Sancho because they don't have the money to afford him.

Stop making things up, I said Ornstein mentioned Arsenal is targeting wide players basically reflects to my point that they are targeting creative player.

Ive asked you a few times now for the Ornstein article. Please share.

And I said even if they had money to spend, it wouldn't go towards Grealish as a priority. I made that clear many posts ago, but you failed to understand.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

That's something we can agree & disagree then.

Ornstein also said the same thing about Havertz in his podcast couple weeks ago (Click the link to go directly to the reddit or the podcast itself). Coutinho isn't the only creative player available in the market.

I think Orny conceded in his next update that he was wrong about Havertz and Chelsea.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Ive asked you a few times now for the Ornstein article. Please share.

4:35
"Mikel Arteta is also looking for wide player''.

And I said even if they had money to spend, it wouldn't go towards Grealish as a priority. I made that clear many posts ago, but you failed to understand.

So you can have your point but I can't have my point? What about you also please share something to backup your point.

 

[Red Company]

What’s the general consensus around signing Grealish on this thread?

If I said VdB is a better option, does anyone disagree?

I was thinking of starting a thread to pit both against each other and see what everyone thinks. Not sure if I should since there’s been no concrete reports as of late, suggesting we’re seriously considering VdB..

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

What’s the general consensus around signing Grealish on this thread?

If I said VdB is a better option, does anyone disagree?

I was thinking of starting a thread to pit both against each other and see what everyone thinks. Not sure if I should since there’s been no concrete reports as of late, suggesting we’re seriously considering VdB..

I'd prefer Grealish personally.

 

[croadyman]

I apologise if this was posted at the time but believe these quotes are from back in February, yes I appreciate at the time we probably looked very likely to sign him back then and now circumstances looked to have changed, however still found it interesting nonetheless.

Paddy Crerand: "All I read about is Jack Grealish — he's a good player, the lad, and he's pro-United anyway. He came up to the [#mufc derby] last season & I met him afterwards. He likes Manchester."

 

[MadDogg]

I'm arguing against all of you that are just like that assuming that he'll be some sort of a press resistant presence that will magically drop deep to help relieve the pressure even though he hardly ever did that so far in his career. Each time i watched Villa, when they got pressed somewhat seriously and in an organized manner, they just hoof the ball upfront not to risk it.

He's not going to 'magically' fix anything. But he will play his part in helping out. When ball gets to him at Villa he is often able to break out of the press or win a foul from it. That doesn't mean that it happens that way every time.

As you say, Villa often just hoof the ball upfront not to risk it. Is that what we do? No. We do our best to play around the press, and Grealish would improve our ability to do that. Likewise, Sancho should also help improve it as well.

 

[Isotope]

Grealish, Sancho, Partey/good CB. Just those three, and we're definitely back challenging again.

 

[Fracture90]

He's not going to 'magically' fix anything. But he will play his part in helping out. When ball gets to him at Villa he is often able to break out of the press or win a foul from it. That doesn't mean that it happens that way every time.

As you say, Villa often just hoof the ball upfront not to risk it. Is that what we do? No. We do our best to play around the press, and Grealish would improve our ability to do that. Likewise, Sancho should also help improve it as well.

You're missing my point, at Villa he doesn't have to deal with it, he rarely, if ever drops to help with the press because Villa is not hell-bent on playing from the back, keeping the ball on the ground.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

What’s the general consensus around signing Grealish on this thread?

If I said VdB is a better option, does anyone disagree?

I think many want him, but there are also those who say don't need him, prefer someone else. Grealish would improve our squad depth. That's the general consensus. Personally I want him to join us.

Not sure about the 2nd qs.
VDB can play across the 3 centre-midfield positions and absolutely CDM which we're also lacking so that's another plus. Grealish can play across all three attacking positions (CAM, LW, RW). Possibly VDB would be cheaper than Grealish, so looking at that two angles, VDB is a better option for our squad. I think VDB is also creative, but Grealish strikes me as more creative and VDB more robust and physical. We need more creative players though, but VDB seems to be a more complete package.

I want 'em both!

 

[Yagami]

I apologise if this was posted at the time but believe these quotes are from back in February, yes I appreciate at the time we probably looked very likely to sign him back then and now circumstances looked to have changed, however still found it interesting nonetheless.

Paddy Crerand: "All I read about is Jack Grealish — he's a good player, the lad, and he's pro-United anyway. He came up to the [#mufc derby] last season & I met him afterwards. He likes Manchester."

Awesome! I'm still holding out hope for this signing.

 

[Himannv]

Does he really fit into out starting XI? Who out of Rashford, Martial, Sancho (probably), Bruno, Pogba, Matic is making way for him?

The amount he’d cost just isn’t ideal if he’s going to be coming in off the bench in most games.

 

[Fracture90]

That's one weird mating ritual you two got there @VP89 @UNITED ACADEMY

 

[BenitoSTARR]

That's one weird mating ritual you two got there @VP89 @UNITED ACADEMY

“My point still stands appears” to be the way they arouse one another.

The question is what is their point?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

“My point still stands appears” to be the way they arouse one another.

The question is what is their point?

To even start your day by having a go with someone in Grealish thread, you have some issue.

 

[VP89]

4:35
"Mikel Arteta is also looking for wide player''.



So you can have your point but I can't have my point? What about you also please share something to backup your point.

I did read my posts.

Also thanks a ton, your Vid completely proves you wrong. He says 1) they are looking to move on center halves (named 2), 2) he is looking to strengthen in midfield and THEN that he'd like a wide player but no such players will leave.

That tells you what his priorities are. fecking hell you just shot yourself in the foot there.

That's one weird mating ritual you two got there @VP89 @UNITED ACADEMY

I'm done, he just pasted a video that showed other areas would be a priority anyway. And that Arteta would ideally have to sell before he buys. Case closed, took longer than needed.

 

[VP89]

“My point still stands appears” to be the way they arouse one another.

The question is what is their point?

I'm done. But the saga was:

He thought if Arsenal had the money they would be desperate for a player like Grealish.
I said they won't have the money to spunk on a single player like that, and if they did it won't be Grealish but a center half or holding midfielder. I said the gap in quality is bigger there than it is with players like Auba saka Lacazette Pepe.

Then he went on a tangent, a silly one. And posted a video to prove his point, which actually mentioned center half and holding midfield as the first orders of priority before wide areas. I agree its gone too far, I'm not bothering with him anymore. Apologies.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I did read my posts.

Also thanks a ton, your Vid completely proves you wrong. He says 1) they are looking to move on center halves (named 2), 2) he is looking to strengthen in midfield and THEN that he'd like a wide player but no such players will leave.

That tells you what his priorities are. fecking hell you just shot yourself in the foot there.

I'm done, he just pasted a video that showed other areas would be a priority anyway. And that Arteta would ideally have to sell before he buys. Case closed, took longer than needed.

You love making it up aye. He didn’t even say “then’’ at all. Just because he spoke about centre back first before midfield doesn’t mean that indicates priority.

The fact is that right now Arsenal is strongly linked with midfielders more than centre back, and they are focussing on Partey for the most part. Next thing you will call Partey is a centre back?

I’m still waiting for you to share you stuffs to backup your point mate.

 

[VP89]

You love making it up aye. He didn’t even say “then’’ at all. Just because he spoke about centre back first before midfield doesn’t mean that indicates priority.

The fact is that right now Arsenal is strongly linked with midfielders more than centre back, and they are focussing on Partey for the most part. Next thing you will call Partey is a centre back?

I’m still waiting for you to share you stuffs to backup your point mate.

They tend to talk about the areas they'd improve in order of priority mate, you should know that when reading articles or listening to podcasts. He's saying what I said, that they need to sell if they want to buy, that he has many areas he'd like to improve, and started with defence, then holding midfield.

Partey is a completely different player to Grealish. I agree they need to bolster in holding/box-to-box midielders. But they don't need to improve on creativity anywhere near that. Unless you're suggesting Partey is a creative midfielder Lets move on and see how this saga unwinds. Unless @Fracture90 @BenitoSTARR want a private show we can put a full lid on this and see how it unwinds.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I'm done. But the saga was:

He thought if Arsenal had the money they would be desperate for a player like Grealish.
I said they won't have the money to spunk on a single player like that, and if they did it won't be Grealish but a center half or holding midfielder. I said the gap in quality is bigger there than it is with players like Auba saka Lacazette Pepe.

Then he went on a tangent, a silly one. And posted a video to prove his point, which actually mentioned center half and holding midfield as the first orders of priority before wide areas. I agree its gone too far, I'm not bothering with him anymore. Apologies.

You are talking to a poster who is obsessed with me mate.

 

[Fracture90]

They tend to talk about the areas they'd improve in order of priority mate, you should know that when reading articles or listening to podcasts. He's saying what I said, that they need to sell if they want to buy, that he has many areas he'd like to improve, and started with defence, then holding midfield.

Partey is a completely different player to Grealish. I agree they need to bolster in holding/box-to-box midielders. But they don't need to improve on creativity anywhere near that. Unless you're suggesting Partey is a creative midfielder Lets move on and see how this saga unwinds. Unless @Fracture90 @BenitoSTARR want a private show we can put a full lid on this and see how it unwinds.

Yo, I'm game, nothing better to do this morning anyway.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

They tend to talk about the areas they'd improve in order of priority mate, you should know that when reading articles. Partey is a completely different player to Grealish. I agree they need to bolster in holding/box-to-box midielders. But they don't need to improve on creativity anywhere near that.

Unless you're suggesting Partey is a creative midfielder Lets move on and see how this saga unwinds. Unless @Fracture90 @BenitoSTARR want a private show we can put a full lid on this and see how it unwinds.

No they don’t, you are not watching the video at all. Ornstein was answering someone question whether they need to sell, he mentioned that they are looking for to ‘’move on from’’ aka “sell” their centre back. He later mentioned midfield because they also looking for to sell Guendouzi but not sure whether they will sell the wide area. That’s the reason why he mentioned centre back first. Nice try to trick someone to suit your argument.

Still waiting you to share your stuffs mate.

 

[Tarrou]

and to the surprise of absolutely no one its not actually done at all