Ivan Perisic

The holy trinity 68 said:
Left back and Left wing back are different though and the demands are quite different.
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Not sure what's the argument. He's played neither. I said he could have been excellent on the right hand side of our attack to which it has said he had hardly played there. I found that comment interesting as the stats given never showed him playing any sort of left wing back position.
 
He'd have been great playing in Young's position and then we'd have had Young as backup. But no, the caf experts know best. Not a big fancy name so he must be rubbish.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
He'd have been great playing in Young's position and then we'd have had Young as backup. But no, the caf experts know best. Not a big fancy name so he must be rubbish.
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So a guy who has played lw most of his life and had one of his best seasons last year in the same position will turn into a great wing back in a few months in a league he has never played in his life in, you yourself must be quite the expert to know that.
 
haram said:
This is such a simplistic way to look at things. It is about more than just goals and assists. Perisic would have offered an option on the left when we play 3 at the back as well (granted Young is doing well). We would have had healthy options down the left whenever we rotated or changed system. We are up against a ridiculous City side, we need everything we can get.
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I highly doubt we would sign a 50mn winger to play him fb, he would most likely be playing in martial and rashford's place and that to me is not only shortsighted but incredibly stupid since his performances in a weaker league are in no way better than martial or rashford's and improve unlike him they both will improve further in future.
 
His thread in the transfer forum was one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here. The vast majority of posters were not only strongly against the transfer, but most of them thought he was "shit" and not good enough. Jose was right and they were wrong but will, of course, never admit it.
 
BigCaine said:
I highly doubt we would sign a 50mn winger to play him fb, he would most likely be playing in martial and rashford's place and that to me is not only shortsighted but incredibly stupid since his performances in a weaker league are in no way better than martial or rashford's and improve unlike him they both will improve further in future.
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We wanted to pay about 30 million. Call it a weaker league all you want, Roma beat Chelsea 3-0, held them at Stamford Bridge and Napoli did well against City. Inter sit above even Juventus.

Also, Young is 32 and still going. No reason why Perisic couldnt have given us 4/5 great years. That isn't short sighted. 30 odd million would have been great business.
 
haram said:
We wanted to pay about 30 million. Call it a weaker league all you want, Roma beat Chelsea 3-0, held them at Stamford Bridge and Napoli did well against City. Inter sit above even Juventus.

Also, Young is 32 and still going. No reason why Perisic couldnt have given us 4/5 great years. That isn't short sighted. 30 odd million would have been great business.
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If they had accepted 30mn i am sure he would have been a utd player now, all reports indicate they wanted 50mn and did not budge on the price, so i don't see how it would have been a great business. Also a few odd matches mean nothing what have Serie A teams barring Juventus achieved in europe in last 5-6 years.
 
BigCaine said:
If they had accepted 30mn i am sure he would have been a utd player now, all reports indicate they wanted 50mn and did not budge on the price, so i don't see how it would have been a great business. Also a few odd matches mean nothing what have Serie A teams barring Juventus achieved in europe in last 5-6 years.
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Yes, but we offered 30 million. I was replying to the fact that you said the club wouldn't pay 50 million for a fb. Not that he would have really played as a traditional fullback, but that's besides the point.

Maybe Inter, Napoli and Roma are just starting to catch up now? The last 4/5 years has nothing to do with their quality right now.

In fact, one of the best players in the PL right now in Salah was just playing for Roma last year...
 
He is having the season of his life for sure but it's still 1/3 of the season and early days, trophy wise
 
BigCaine said:
I highly doubt we would sign a 50mn winger to play him fb, he would most likely be playing in martial and rashford's place and that to me is not only shortsighted but incredibly stupid since his performances in a weaker league are in no way better than martial or rashford's and improve unlike him they both will improve further in future.
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You know, the opposite is true: what PL clubs did internationally in the last 4-5 years? Nothing. The latest influx of foreign managers is transforming a pinball league into proper football at last.
 
Where would he play? I'd be surprised to see him displace Young. I also don't want another left winger as we already have Rashford and Martial, and those two need gametime to develop. Could play as a right winger, but is he as good on the right as he is on the left? I know he's two footed, but still. That's the position I could see us buying him for. Though I'd prefer it if we bought someone left footed with a bit more penetration, like Gelson Martins or Malcom. Anyway, Mourinho knows best.
 
Bepi said:
You know, the opposite is true: what PL clubs did internationally in the last 4-5 years? Nothing. The latest influx of foreign managers is transforming a pinball league into proper football at last.
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Chelsea won the CL in 2012, the EL in 2013, Liverpool were finalist in 2016 and we won it in 2017, it is not brilliant but i won't call it nothing.

haram said:
Yes, but we offered 30 million. I was replying to the fact that you said the club wouldn't pay 50 million for a fb. Not that he would have really played as a traditional fullback, but that's besides the point.

Maybe Inter, Napoli and Roma are just starting to catch up now? The last 4/5 years has nothing to do with their quality right now.

In fact, one of the best players in the PL right now in Salah was just playing for Roma last year...
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I said we won't pay 50mn for a winger and then play him as a fb, also why wouldn't he have been a traditional fb, this back 3 seems to be a recent change to protect the defense better and add width given we are missing both our first choice cb's, we started the season with a back 4, don't think perisic would have made mourinho change formation.
 
Castia said:
Martial is having a good season and at 21 has the potential to be a much better player than Perisic, we did the right thing not buying him.
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Now yes, but no one would have thought Martial would have been that good this season.
 
Shame Croatia national team is so unstable with fans and hierarchy....Perisic, Modric, Rakitic is an unbelievable midfield.

Not too many better outside the established elite. Heck it's better than what Argentina have as perisic is better than Di Maria these days but Croatia will probably go out in last 16 again.
 
FootballHQ said:
Shame Croatia national team is so unstable with fans and hierarchy....Perisic, Modric, Rakitic is an unbelievable midfield.

Not too many better outside the established elite. Heck it's better than what Argentina have as perisic is better than Di Maria these days but Croatia will probably go out in last 16 again.
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Balkan teams have always very good, but they lack cohesion and killer instinct.
 
BigCaine said:
Chelsea won the CL in 2012, the EL in 2013, Liverpool were finalist in 2016 and we won it in 2017, it is not brilliant but i won't call it nothing.



I said we won't pay 50mn for a winger and then play him as a fb, also why wouldn't he have been a traditional fb, this back 3 seems to be a recent change to protect the defense better and add width given we are missing both our first choice cb's, we started the season with a back 4, don't think perisic would have made mourinho change formation.
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Mourinho said Perisic would allow him to play with 3 at the back, that's why.
 
haram said:
Mourinho said Perisic would allow him to play with 3 at the back, that's why.
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Mancini thought this too. Tried him as a LWB a couple times, it was an unmitigated disaster. He's hardworking, but he's no defensive player
 
haram said:
Mourinho said Perisic would allow him to play with 3 at the back, that's why.
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He also put Lingard there against Real Madrid, changed him at half-time and we never saw him as leftwingback again.
 
BigCaine said:
I don't get this obsession over perisic, Perisic has played 1350 mins in serie a this season accounting for 7 goals and 6 assists, Martial has played 579 mins and has 6 goals and 3 assists, why exactly do we need him?
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Perisic would play behind Martial.
The 2 of them would interchange with each other on the left flank.
Just imagine the attacking flair, with both Martial and Perisic on the left. Basically, instead of Ashley Young, we'd be playing Perisic.
 
giorno said:
Mancini thought this too. Tried him as a LWB a couple times, it was an unmitigated disaster. He's hardworking, but he's no defensive player
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Android1974 said:
He also put Lingard there against Real Madrid, changed him at half-time and we never saw him as leftwingback again.
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Ok, what does this have to do with the fact that Mourinho said he wanted Perisic for that position?
 
haram said:
Ok, what does this have to do with the fact that Mourinho said he wanted Perisic for that position?
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If he tried it with a player he already knows for a season, I wouldn't trust his judgement with a guy he never trained with. But I agree he was looking at him for it, but also for Martial/Rashford's spot. He just probably didn't hope Martial to come good and Rashford would be moved to the center.
 
Android1974 said:
If he tried it with a player he already knows for a season, I wouldn't trust his judgement with a guy he never trained with. But I agree he was looking at him for it, but also for Martial/Rashford's spot. He just probably didn't hope Martial to come good and Rashford would be moved to the center.
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I would trust Mourinho's judgement on defensive positions and shape. I would also trust him in the transfer market.

I also think Perisic would have been used further up at times as well.
 
haram said:
Ok, what does this have to do with the fact that Mourinho said he wanted Perisic for that position?
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Nothing. Just musing to myself. Sometimes even great managers can see things that aren't there...

The things that makes the most sense would using Perisic to shift formations. Back 3 when attacking, 4-4-2 when defending

Haven't paid enough attention to united's games lately so i don't know if that's what he's doing now
 
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sunama said:
Perisic would play behind Martial.
The 2 of them would interchange with each other on the left flank.
Just imagine the attacking flair, with both Martial and Perisic on the left. Basically, instead of Ashley Young, we'd be playing Perisic.
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But we need to have someone who needs to defend as well, Perisic is a winger not a fb, just because he is hardworking doesn't mean he knows how to defend, and someone above said mancini tried, it did not work. We could have had another lindelof esque situation on our hands with a slight difference that Perisic wouldn't just have struggled down to confidence but also with the fact that he isn't a defender and one can't turn someone into a good defender in a few weeks.
 
He’s been having an absolutely cracking season so far. Both him personally and Inter in general as a team. Spalletti’s tactics seem to bring out the best in him.
 
I know he started this season on fire but how did he finish it? Did his good form continue throughout or taper off? Can anybody who watches Italian football explain?
 
Nick. said:
I know he started this season on fire but how did he finish it? Did his good form continue throughout or taper off? Can anybody who watches Italian football explain?
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In the Serie A this season he has 11 goals and 10 assists which looks solid on paper but 7 of those goals were within the first 15 matchdays and after that went on an 11 game run in the league without registering a goal or assist. Very good start but as you said it tapered off. Not a poor season, just his usual streaky self. I still don't think he would have elevated us to the level we aspire to be.
 
Hawks2008 said:
In the Serie A this season he has 11 goals and 10 assists which looks solid on paper but 7 of those goals were within the first 15 matchdays and after that went on an 11 game run in the league without registering a goal or assist. Very good start but as you said it tapered off. Not a poor season, just his usual streaky self. I still don't think he would have elevated us to the level we aspire to be.
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Does he have an aerlal target like Lukaku? How big is Icardi?
 
He had a spell where he was poor. The whole team was poor.
 
Ramshock said:
Does he have an aerlal target like Lukaku? How big is Icardi?
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Icardi is probably better in the air then Lukaku is and in general is a terrific finisher with great movement in the box. He isn't a giant physically, but great timing for all of it. Perisic is a good player, and a classic winger who pitches in with goals which we don't really have, but he's never a top quality player.
 
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