it's not giggs or becks fault.
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Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>so you are agreeing with me that it's SAF responsibilties for Becks' style of play these days? you're finally seeing it the right way?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ferguson is responsible for giving Beckham a licence to roam, a scenario that one of the worlds greatest players should thrive with and should of course have.
David Beckham is responsible for not being good at it.
Fergie is telling Bex to do something that should be well within his capabilities, maybe Bex isnt one of the worlds greatest?
Runited, Beckham has been crossing, just not in the same amount anymore because he now plays infield.
However its the crosses that he does that concern me. He frequently hits the first defender. You can argue all day over how & why but the simple fact is he hasnt been playing anyway like he can this season. I personally think a rest would do him the power of good.
However its the crosses that he does that concern me. He frequently hits the first defender. You can argue all day over how & why but the simple fact is he hasnt been playing anyway like he can this season. I personally think a rest would do him the power of good.
Spoony
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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don't be a feckin idiot man.
becks is playing all over the field.. giggs is pushing inside.. no one's starting in defence. don't try to get smart. do you even watch the games?</strong><hr></blockquote>
shut up, you jackass.
Beckham, is at fault, the one trick pony has delusions of grandeur, hence why he is try to be a playmaker..
Zidane he ain't <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by Spoony:
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shut up, you jackass.
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by Murt:
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Ferguson is responsible for giving Beckham a licence to roam, a scenario that one of the worlds greatest players should thrive with and should of course have.
David Beckham is responsible for not being good at it.
Fergie is telling Bex to do something that should be well within his capabilities, maybe Bex isnt one of the worlds greatest?</strong><hr></blockquote>
i never said he was world's bect either.. i said we should use him in the way he's best at - because he is the world's best at what he's best at.
he's not the world's greatest playmaker, and after almost 20 games of repeated failure i think we're almost at the end of the line of trying to make something out of nothing. don't you?
Veron played his best game in the Villa match (if i'm not wrong), and in that one becks was kept out wide for pretty much most of the game. i think we'll be a much more solid team in all areas if we would keep the players in their positions and not trying to go for the same ball every situation.
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>Runited, Beckham has been crossing, just not in the same amount anymore because he now plays infield.
However its the crosses that he does that concern me. He frequently hits the first defender. You can argue all day over how & why but the simple fact is he hasnt been playing anyway like he can this season. I personally think a rest would do him the power of good.</strong><hr></blockquote>
ok, the crosses i can agree.. but i see it in this way:
tactical changes in his game has affected his ability to do what he's good at. the man concentrates on coming infield now and usually take crosses under pressure when there's no where else to go. how is it possible that even silvestre crosses better than him nowadays? it's because becks is not concentrating on his own game anymore. and this, i see it as SAF responsibility.
a rest may do him good. i agree. but i really doubt it's his fault for not being able to play SAF tactics. SAF may be pushing becks harder and it's a blessing in disguise, but i really cannot stand people blaming becks for this.
he will come good one day, maybe this season or next, but how can you blame him for taking a long time to adapt into a new position? he isn't god.. he's never played there before..
i'm not asking for new players.. i don't want duff or ronaldinho to come in and destroy the spirits of this team.
I honestly think we have a squad good enough of continuing our success..
i don't slag off the players in anyway because i know we have the best squad..
all i'm saying is it's really bad that our own feckin fans slag off the players without really thinkin about why they have been out of form.
Either:
1. SAF is pushing 4-4-1-1 too hard.
2. SAF really sees something in 4-4-1-1 and is willing to lose his players' form in the formation until something comes good.
either way, i repeat, it's NOT the players' faults.
I honestly think we have a squad good enough of continuing our success..
i don't slag off the players in anyway because i know we have the best squad..
all i'm saying is it's really bad that our own feckin fans slag off the players without really thinkin about why they have been out of form.
Either:
1. SAF is pushing 4-4-1-1 too hard.
2. SAF really sees something in 4-4-1-1 and is willing to lose his players' form in the formation until something comes good.
either way, i repeat, it's NOT the players' faults.
Canadian Dee
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I agree with everything Runited makes in that SAF is playing a system I.E 5-4-1-1 that is disrupting the team e.g Giggs, Scholes and Beckham are playing roles that perhaps they are not 100% used too, but is he playing this system to accomadate Veron in Keano's injury, or will he persist with it, I know he played this system last year when Keano was fit, but upon reflection will he perist with it this year- I don't know.Also one thing about Becks I have noticed, and I know this has been labelled also at Seba's door is that they are looking for a killer cross field 50 yard pass too often when perhaps an easier alternative was open.
Ever hopefull
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You can't blame Seba for the change in formation. It was Sir Alex's decision to play that formation. As i've said before, if we are playing to our potential, formations are irrelevant all our players are capable of playing 2 or 3 different roles. The fact is that as a team we have failed to reproduce our European form in the premiership.
Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>You can't blame Seba for the change in formation. It was Sir Alex's decision to play that formation. As i've said before, if we are playing to our potential, formations are irrelevant all our players are capable of playing 2 or 3 different roles. The fact is that as a team we have failed to reproduce our European form in the premiership.</strong><hr></blockquote>
of coz the formation is relevant. our players are moved around.. they'll need time to adapt to it.. it's unfair to blame the players for this.. of coz they can play in 2-3 different roles, but they have also played 10 solid years in their favoured position..
from the outset it's still 4-4-2 with a drop back forward.. but when you look at it, you see giggs and becks pushing inside, something they never used to do so frequently.. giggs has tried to be a forward last couple of seasons.. but he's still best at dribbling down the line. same as becks and his crossing.
you can't blame the players for tactical changes made by a manager. you can only either:
1. blame the manager himself.
2. stick with the manager, and pray our players produce something soon.
I think a shake up as in '95 is due... becks and giggs have been way off form........ they might be good for a couple of more premierships but europe with the present team is a bridge too far, maybe if there was a bit of competition on tyhe bench things might change.. but I believe attitude is way off in some players......
Ever hopefull
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I think that why Kieran Richardson has been brought into the first team squad. The first real challenger to Giggsy we've had since Lee Sharpe, before he discovered the white powder.
Originally posted by seanoc:
<strong>I think a shake up as in '95 is due... becks and giggs have been way off form........ they might be good for a couple of more premierships but europe with the present team is a bridge too far, maybe if there was a bit of competition on tyhe bench things might change.. but I believe attitude is way off in some players......</strong><hr></blockquote>
isn't there the slightest chance in your mind that this maybe the responsibility of SAF? that giggs and becks are off form because of the formation they're forced to play?
Canadian Dee
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Originally posted by Ever hopefull:
<strong>You can't blame Seba for the change in formation. It was Sir Alex's decision to play that formation. As i've said before, if we are playing to our potential, formations are irrelevant all our players are capable of playing 2 or 3 different roles. The fact is that as a team we have failed to reproduce our European form in the premiership.</strong><hr></blockquote>
"If we are playing to our potential"- as in the treble tr 4-4-2, well some nerd quot some stats to prove otherwise. Tiocfaidh ar la
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>1. SAF is pushing 4-4-1-1 too hard.
2. SAF really sees something in 4-4-1-1 and is willing to lose his players' form in the formation until something comes good.
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You really believe that, well i just hope you still wont be blambing the players when we win the European cup & League <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
Originally posted by Murt:
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You really believe that, well i just hope you still wont be blambing the players when we win the European cup & League <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
i never slag the players.. you can go read any post of mine to dig something up.. you won't find it..
the most i ever said was i thought Blanc and Veron are quality players but not suited for United's traditional tactics (for veron, not for EPL anyway).... this doesn't count as slagging players.. this is considered as slagging team tactics.
i truly believe this is a great team with a great squad and the only man who can influence the whole thing is the gaffer. he has done that over the past 15 years. it won't be the players that can stop us from winning.. it will be the manager himself.
it's too much of a coincidence that the 6 men in midfield and offence should all be struggling at the same time trying play good football.. out of form? all of them at the same time? you must be joking.
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