Italian Serie A 2022/23

abundance said:
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Juve bargained a deal with zero penalties and a paltry € 800k fine for cooking the books on COVID wage savings, in exchange for renouncing the option of further appeal in their other "plusvalenze" trial.
Classy Serie A
Second time in 17 years they dodge relegation (in '06 they should've gone to C, not B).
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said from someone who dodged everything! This is funnier than funny!

From fake passports, from plusvalenze trial which you bargained a deal worth 90k euro , to totally dodging deals made by Ausilio where for years you sold youths for crazy prices to survive but uhuh nothing? , to Calciopoli? where proof of your misdeeds came to light few days after it was too late to persecute Inter as well! but meanwhile gained a Scudetto for free.
To the 6months during covid era where you didn't pay wages at all and FIGC forgave you instead of giving points deduction for every month you didn't pay... and guess what?!? you won another scudetto!

You really got no shame. you can fool the ones who don't care enough to check what happened and what's happening but not those who knows
 
Arios said:
said from someone who dodged everything! This is funnier than funny!

From fake passports, from plusvalenze trial which you bargained a deal worth 90k euro , to totally dodging deals made by Ausilio where for years you sold youths for crazy prices to survive but uhuh nothing? , to Calciopoli? where proof of your misdeeds came to light few days after it was too late to persecute Inter as well! but meanwhile gained a Scudetto for free.
To the 6months during covid era where you didn't pay wages at all and FIGC forgave you instead of giving points deduction for every month you didn't pay... and guess what?!? you won another scudetto!

You really got no shame. you can fool the ones who don't care enough to check what happened and what's happening but not those who knows
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ok
 
Tammy Abraham looks like he’s going to be off the market in the summer. He’s just done his knee, looks a bad one. What a poor response to the injury as well by officials and medics. Too busy caught up with a fight between players, he was just forgotten about lying there for ages, didn’t even get a team with a stretcher running on to him, instead they hauled him on to sit on the back of those cart buggys. Shocking.
 
Dybala penalty in the last minute achieves Europa League football for them. Conference for Juventus.
 
Cheech Wizard said:
Tammy Abraham looks like he’s going to be off the market in the summer. He’s just done his knee, looks a bad one. What a poor response to the injury as well by officials and medics. Too busy caught up with a fight between players, he was just forgotten about lying there for ages, didn’t even get a team with a stretcher running on to him, instead they hauled him on to sit on the back of those cart buggys. Shocking.
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Yeah that was a nasty injury
 
Lay said:
Dybala penalty in the last minute achieves Europa League football for them. Conference for Juventus.
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And more importantly another week of serie a before we have to say goodbye for the summer. Verona - Spezia playoff next week if it stays as it is
 
Lay said:
Dybala penalty in the last minute achieves Europa League football for them. Conference for Juventus.
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A last minute Dybala goal sending Juve further down the European hierarchy sounds poetic.
 
17Larsson said:
And more importantly another week of serie a before we have to say goodbye for the summer. Verona - Spezia playoff next week if it stays as it is
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Isn't it decided on how they played each other? If so, Spezia stays up since the won 2-1 away and drew 0-0 at home
 
Bogga said:
Isn't it decided on how they played each other? If so, Spezia stays up since the won 2-1 away and drew 0-0 at home
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Nah they changed it for this season, it will go to a playoff :drool:
 
So, let's recap:

- Napoli, Inter, Lazio, Milan in the UCL group stage. Napoli pot1, Inter pot2 (pot1 if UCL winner), Lazio and Milan pot3

- Roma and Atalanta in the UEL group stage. Competition that see a big favourite in Liverpool.

- Juventus qualified to the UEFA Europa Conference play-off alongside Aston Villa, Osasuna, Eintracht Frankfurt and Lille from the other top-5 leagues.. Bianconeri
will be big favourite I guess.

- Spezia v Verona play-out next sunday to determine the 3rd Serie A team to relegate. Next sunday there will also be Bari - Cagliari play-off for the last remaining spot in Serie A (Sampdoria and Cremonese already relegated, Frosinone and Genoa already promoted).
 
Thank you Zlatan for everything you gave this league.
 
Lay said:
Nah they changed it for this season, it will go to a playoff :drool:
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I remember in the 90s Serie A used to have endless play offs for teams who were tied on points trying to qualify for europe.

Fair play to them for going retro and bringing it back rather than relying on usual tiebreakers of GD or head to head.
 
Bepi said:
Good luck to the three Serie A teams playing for European trophies in the next two weeks! :wenger:

In the meantime, Juventus is playing a cat and mouse game with Mr “honest-football-for-the-masses” Ceferin and his Middle Eastern masters, with FIGC head Mr Gravina now acting as UEFA vice-president. It seems that Juve’s owner Elkann still thinks it is worth waiting for the EU pronunciation in July about the SuperLeague feasibility, so UEFA is now blatantly blackmailing the club with further sanctions if he does not desist before that.



edit: I am adding that the same exact allegations costing us points and prospective bans were settled with fines to Inter and Milan 20 years ago.
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Elkann is the utmost suit, he only values €€€ and is settling Agnelli’s mess for good, here and now, accepting FIGC’s sanction and withdrawing from the SuperLeague trainwreck. The only question now is: will he sell the toy as well?
 
Bepi said:
Elkann is the utmost suit, he only values €€€ and is settling Agnelli’s mess for good, here and now, accepting FIGC’s sanction and withdrawing from the SuperLeague trainwreck. The only question now is: will he sell the toy as well?
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let's pray they do.
There is no way out if Elkan stick as owner.
 
Arios said:
let's pray they do.
There is no way out if Elkan stick as owner.
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It must be said that Agnelli left ruins like Nero or Caligula and we can’t really blame Elkann for not wanting to go the ordinary justice route again a la Calciopoli 2006. The club is at its lowest point since 2006, but able to focus on the football side of the job as soon as today and only that. Sure, keeping Allegri another year is not the smartest reboot, and yet there is no structure above him at the moment, only temporary hitmen from the Exor conglomerate.

I would not want Elkann to sell, all in all: the one-century, one-owner thing is a good PR point, they also have their own stadium in Turin, a well run Next Gen or B team that is graduating promising youngsters, a successful Women team, a strong following at home and a noticeable interest abroad. How much is worth that? The lowest quotation is 2b€, a realistic one is 3b€ or some better… and selling at the lowest point is not in Elkann’s interest at all.
 
Roma lose the Europa League final.

Fiorentina lose the Conference League final.

Inter lose the Champions League final.

Wank league.
 
The italians were the best teams in all the three finals, without any doubt imho:
  • Roma v Sevilla: even if Sevilla tried to play more attacking football than Roma it's undeniable that Rui Patricio was almost a spectator the whole game and Bono Motm. xG: Roma 2,15 v 1,02 Sevilla.
  • Fiorentina v West Ham: Even in terms of chances created but Fiorentina played much better football, had almost 70% ball possession and were the team that tried to scored while the Hammers just played catenaccio and relied on counter-attacks.
  • City v Inter... Not much to say, everyone watched it I guess.. xG: Inter 2,05 v 0,80 Manchester City..
In the finals anything can happen and not always the best team win. It hurts a lot as italian because we confortably could win all three
 
Thought Inter were better than we were in the FA cup final- and i didn't think we were that bad- but both had a strategy to keep it tight and nick it that failed to individual mistakes. Inter can be proud of themselves though-very few people gave them a hope and they actually could have won that game.

Unlucky!
 
Irwin99 said:
Thought Inter were better than we were in the FA cup final- and i didn't think we were that bad- but both had a strategy to keep it tight and nick it that failed to individual mistakes. Inter can be proud of themselves though-very few people gave them a hope and they actually could have won that game.

Unlucky!
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Inter had better chances but worst strikers that missed sitters
While Rodri placed a good and difficult shot
 
All 3 finals were very tight… Fiorentina is the only one that clearly dominated their final….
Roma is actually the team that dominated the least but they were the closest to winning it ultimately.

Inter’s game was a surprising one. I expected them to get destroyed. But they managed to give their superior opponent a fair fight and ended up with the bigger chances, only to fail to score from any of them. Not surprising though. They’re really bad at taking their chances as symbolised by Lukaku’s performance tonight.

I like Serie A and it’s really good to see Italian teams managing to give a fight with way inferior means. Specially in the case of Inter and Fiorentina who had English opponents far richer than them. Inzaghi and Italiano deserve a lot of credit for the job they did.
 
Feck them all, I would say. :lol: All the circus since 2019 with VAR, Covid, ludicrous in-justice, bending of the games to have different winners and sell Calcio better abroad, plus the NT hitting more and more lower points. Feck. Them. All.
 
17Larsson said:
Anyone watching the Serie B playoff? Do you know are away goals counted in this?
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The away goals don’t count. The team that finished the regular season ahead wins in case of a draw… So currently Bari are promoted thanks to their ranking, they finished third.
 
Such a crazy finish to that serie b playoff. Last minute winner by Cagliari, and they nearly blew it a minute later with a keeper blunder.
Another successful moment for Ranieri
 
Roma is building a decent team with a bit of a younger core, Ndicka, Aouar & Scamacca signed or close to be signed.
 
So… the offers for the rights to broadcast Serie A next season (and two beyond) came at half the base-floor reputed palatable by the FIGC suits, aka €600m instead of €1.15b, who are now crying wolf: “wtf! we did our best to make Serie A interesting and diverse!!”…. Ha! It was not Ronaldo at Juve doubling Serie A value all at once then, but the circus and the rigged games to have more winners and Calcio-is-back commercials. Feck you now, blaady idiots.
 
have you heard Carnevali's words about giving Roma an helping hand by buying 2 of their youths for 10m before July 1st to help them with "plusvalenze" for UEFA settlement agreement?
That's all right no? and maybe Roma will buy 2 youths in this summer market from Sassuolo to give them back those money.

Or what? Buy Frattesi for an inflated ammount since they have 30% of resale value?
This italian football. And they deserve every low balll offer they receives.

With those money if they really accept 80% of Serie A clubs and B will go down and I wouldn't mind so.
People with money will survive. Leechers will die and maybe we'll have the chance to finally change a broken league administrated by local mobs
 
Arios said:
have you heard Carnevali's words about giving Roma an helping hand by buying 2 of their youths for 10m before July 1st to help them with "plusvalenze" for UEFA settlement agreement?
That's all right no? and maybe Roma will buy 2 youths in this summer market from Sassuolo to give them back those money.

Or what? Buy Frattesi for an inflated ammount since they have 30% of resale value?
This italian football. And they deserve every low balll offer they receives.

With those money if they really accept 80% of Serie A clubs and B will go down and I wouldn't mind so.
People with money will survive. Leechers will die and maybe we'll have the chance to finally change a broken league administrated by local mobs
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That's very funny coming from a fan of one of the most crooked clubs in football history.

Carnevali wanted both players last summer as part of the Frattesi deal. He tried again this summer and Roma (who had to sell for FFP this time) agreed. Roma simply asked to complete the deal before 30/6. His quote about "giving Roma an helping hand" is about the date of the deals, not the deals themselves.

Volpato and Missori are two of Roma's top youth products. 10m is an absolute bargain. Totally different scenario compared to Juve inflating the value of 11 completely unknown players. Like, who the feck is Kevin Monzialo? Not even a starter in half of his 27 appearences with the Primavera team. Immediately sold for more than Missori who's been a starter for Roma and Italy since U15 level. Yeah right, not suspicious at all. What about Franco Tongya? Sold for 8m. Volpato has been sold for less and he's one of the best players in the Primavera league, and has played some games for Roma's first team. Eric Lanini, a 26yo nobody who played his entire career in lower divisions, sold for 2.4m to Parma (who immediately loan him to Serie C Como), while Roma couldn't find a club who was willing to spend more than 5.2m for a player with international experience like Carles Perez...

Sassuolo has a long track record of buying from Roma's youth system and selling for money later. But despite this apparently good relationship between the clubs, Carnevali has never done Roma any favors in return.
It's Roma asking for a Sassuolo player? 40m is the starting price.
If it's Juve, they bend over, give them better prices and let them get away with things like paying Locatelli over 7 years (free for 2 years, then 5 years installment).
 
autte said:
That's very funny coming from a fan of one of the most crooked clubs in football history.

Carnevali wanted both players last summer as part of the Frattesi deal. He tried again this summer and Roma (who had to sell for FFP this time) agreed. Roma simply asked to complete the deal before 30/6. His quote about "giving Roma an helping hand" is about the date of the deals, not the deals themselves.

Volpato and Missori are two of Roma's top youth products. 10m is an absolute bargain. Totally different scenario compared to Juve inflating the value of 11 completely unknown players. Like, who the feck is Kevin Monzialo? Not even a starter in half of his 27 appearences with the Primavera team. Immediately sold for more than Missori who's been a starter for Roma and Italy since U15 level. Yeah right, not suspicious at all. What about Franco Tongya? Sold for 8m. Volpato has been sold for less and he's one of the best players in the Primavera league, and has played some games for Roma's first team. Eric Lanini, a 26yo nobody who played his entire career in lower divisions, sold for 2.4m to Parma (who immediately loan him to Serie C Como), while Roma couldn't find a club who was willing to spend more than 5.2m for a player with international experience like Carles Perez...

Sassuolo has a long track record of buying from Roma's youth system and selling for money later. But despite this apparently good relationship between the clubs, Carnevali has never done Roma any favors in return.
It's Roma asking for a Sassuolo player? 40m is the starting price.
If it's Juve, they bend over, give them better prices and let them get away with things like paying Locatelli over 7 years (free for 2 years, then 5 years installment).
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From Sassuolo to Inter:
Sensi 27M, Politano 21M, Frattesi 25M+ Mulattieri (valued 8m) = 73+8

From Inter to Sassuolo:
Sala 3M, Odgaard 5,8M, Mulattieri 8M, Gravillon 1M prestito, Pinamonti 20 M = 37,8M

Locatelli 37M without any youth trade involved

Healthy partnerships, fabulous!
Juve penalized, Inter exalted.


But anyway let's imagine what if this thing involved Juventus and there were wiretraps involved saying "c'mon help me out man to cook the books! buy those 2 youths for 10m! But before the 30/6!!"
Now imagine not haggling at all or low balling knowing Roma HAD to make 30m plusvalenze before 01/07
 
autte said:
That's very funny coming from a fan of one of the most crooked clubs in football history.
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Behave, your club was born as the very first fascist affiliation project in football history and that’s really enough.
 
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