You've just described the last 75 years in Palestine.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Ashwin @AR87 are here to discuss two "on-paper" not great results for United over the last week, but are there positive signs of progress despite what the ex-United pundits are saying?
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Because genocide is not strictly killing, but more like acts that are committed to harm an entire or part of a group whether its physical or mental harm. While a massacre is a strictly killing a group of civilian people.
At this point, someone who denies that israel's policy is to deliberately and systematically target palestinian civilians with the goal of physically removing them from certain areas, is either not paying attention or just plain wrong. This is a genocide, will be eventually recognized by all as a genocide and historians will refer to it as a genocide. Some people are just clinging to thin threads of deniability so that the genocide can be carried forward as much as possible before the obvious becomes accepted by everyone.
Then, of course, people like you will change their tune to something like "yeah it eventually became a genocide, but at the time I said it wasn't, it wasn't yet, so you can't blame me." We've all seen these episodes throughout history, there's nothing new to this genocide denialism.
So you have 75 years of mass killing, multiple massacres, land theft, siege, apartheid, illegal occupation, but you do not know what is the Israeli intent
.Pala pa pa pa pala pa
Be careful, do not say the forbidden word (Palestine) or you will be sacked.
Pala pa pa pa pala pa
Be careful, do not say the forbidden word (Palestine) or you will be sacked.
Christ, not even allowed to say the word
In those 75 years occupation, do you count Egypt and Jordan too? Or only Israel?So you have 75 years of mass killing, multiple massacres, land theft, siege, apartheid, illegal occupation, but you do not know what is the Israeli intent
I don't think he realised what he was writing until he hit post. A little more than a mask slip there, to me this indicated that he knows very well that this is a genocide.So you have 75 years of mass killing, multiple massacres, land theft, siege, apartheid, illegal occupation, but you do not know what is the Israeli intent
It's optimistic of you to assume that people like him would ever acknowledge it as a genocide, regardless of expert and widespread sentiment. If the ICJ determines it as genocide, they'll claim the ICJ is biased (it is a UN body after all, and we're not far from the entire UN being equated with Hamas). He'll always have the inevitable US, Israeli and German denial/talking points to refer to as well.
And just a sprinkle of whataboutery. Et voila. *Chef's kiss*
Ok, you can predict the future. Lets abandon the rule of law, courts and so on. What you think will be declared as facts. And when there will any disagreements in world politics, you will decide which side is right/wrong. Fair enough.
Do you write Israeli government policy? Because that's uncanny!
It's not what I think, it's what everyone can see with their own eyes. I just choose to acknowledge reality while you prefer to live in a parallel one. I kinda get it, if my side was committing genocide, I'd cope in any way possible.
I answered the first one in the previous post. There is no threshold.
The second one, please be more specific what do you mean.
A genocide survivor.
So you are now speaker for everybody.
What do you see? Besides your Twitter feed and this thread? Are you on the ground? Have you been there? But I get it. All you see is facts and reality. All I see is propaganda and parallel reality. Cool.
Multiple entities on the ground have confirmed it.
You see it as well, you're just denying it. I hope it's just because it would be too difficult for you to accept reality and not because you actually support the genocide.
I admire the patience of some of the posters in dealing with them.
Do you think that Israel's current trajectory - specifically the damage they're causing, both in terms of civilian loss of life and destruction of infrastructure, coupled to trapping most of Gaza in Rafah, with an attack there imminent - is leading to the feasible danger that the Palestinians may be permanently withdrawn from the territory into neighbouring countries as refugees?
Much smaller than the massacre, but a good example of the way they work
Hamas rejected a ceasefire. Remember that this week while you march for the eradication of the only Jewish state
The genocide supporters really are out in full force today.
as are the Hamas sympathisers
Oh, keep on bombing the innocent then! Good job hero. You genuinely get more and more incoherent by the day.
It's also kind of a lie. Basically both sides said that they were willing to negotiate but neither agreed on anything, the New York Times went with that headline based on the claim that a Hamas official said that they wouldn't be willing to trade israeli soldiers for imprisoned palestinians convicted for terrorism.
You just have to turn on the news to see who's being eradicated.
Saw the photo of the guy that the IDF bulldozed (yes literally) over. Just sickening.
And I applaud them. all this genocide deniers, like the holocaust deniers have to be answered relentlessly. When the truth shuts up, the liars wins
The thread itself made me think of that quote I shared. I think it perfectly describes the situation. After sharing the quote and my opinion I was questioned, attacked and ridiculed. I was merely responding.
I have one question for you: Why do you think a two state solution will work when both sides have publicly stated they're not interested? Isn't forcing a two state solution from the outside exactly what got the world into this mess?
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forget it man, he just gonna ignore this like the rest of stuff that clearly show he's wrong.
On the contrary, Palestinians would accept a two state solution as long as they have full control of their borders and land, like any normal country have. It's Israel that don't want to concede this
The Palestinian authority's position is to call for a Palestinian state composing of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem as its capital. In other words the territories considered occupied and Palestinian by the United Nations and most of the international community. The Israeli government however has rejected this, with Netanyahu historically boasting about how he'd sabotaged any notion of a Palestinian state. The only time the Israelis were willing to entertain the idea was by adding a heap of caveats and stipulations, which would deny Palestinians genuine autonomy, freedom of movement or any real military control. Essentially an legalised occupation.
Its clear this is the only viable solution, and one that can be enforced if the US decides to actually sanction Israel for its colonial activity in the West Bank, as well as its occupation of East Jerusalem and blockade of Gaza. Again Israel are the unwilling party because the status quo and an apathy towards the peace process solely benefits them. So long as the international community refuses to intervene with a heavy hand, the Israelis know they can continue to raze Palestinian homes, build new settlements, and make life as miserable as possible for the Palestinians to encourage a mass exodus, just as they had done in 1948. That's always been the approach and plan.
Not even sure what meaning the word "ceasefire" has anymore in this context, given the involvement of an invading genocidal terrorist army. It's not two warring parties.
Israeli forces and Hamas are exactly the same. Both are murderous terrorists, that revel and celebrate the suffering of innocent.
Who the fek are you?