This is not verification of a Doctor saying that a load of children were brought into a hospital with single sniper wounds to the head.
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This is not verification of a Doctor saying that a load of children were brought into a hospital with single sniper wounds to the head.
It's from a US doctor who wrote an article in the LA Times this weekend and has been on CNN discussing their experience.
Hamas.
Not different from any nazi or a fascist.
Great bar that, comparing IDFs conduct to that of a terrorist organisation.
You said, I dont know ask the IDF. And i thought it was not you who claimed al shifaa hospital was a command center.
But now after checking, it was you who said "now we know al shifaa hospital is an operation center"
So are you ready to back on your beliefs and say that information coming from Israel / IDF is probably bs and a lie?
Or you will you continue to parrot everything they tell you?
So much respect for Celtic fans. Not the club who are still trying to disavow themselves from these fans. Shame on the club.
I was thinking about buying many Celtic products but will look to buying fan made stuff instead.
I was thinking about buying many Celtic products but will look to buying fan made stuff instead.
Ipswitch new signing Ali Al Hammadi
Swansea fc said they did not take it down because the mistook the flag with palestine's flag, they took it down because it was supporting an opponent player in the home fans section. The supporter (who is a Swansea supporter) of Iraqi origin said, they stewards specifically told the supporter we do not allow political symbols in conflicts despite the supporter telling them this was not Palestine's flag.
I can sort of understand why they want to distance themselves from all political stuff considering their history. Don't forget this also the same set of fans who chanted Up the Ra at Old Trafford. Love this statement though!
This is a highly misleading presentation. Those words were never said and the words that were said have been twisted and taken out of context.
Context: Shtayyeh, who is definitely being slippery, has just stated that he considers that part of the political reality of Palestine is that Hamas has to be dealt with and suggested he is open to a detente between the PA and Hamas, but only if Hamas accept the PA's political platform. The interviewer is, to put it mildly, sceptical.
Interviewer: "I mean, we're talking about Hamas here. This is, you know, an organisation that has a history of undermining peace through violence. They reject the Oslo Accords, they're committed to armed resistance against Zionism. I mean look at the brutality of October 7th where they slaughtered more than a thousand people, took hundreds of hostages - the youngest being nine months old; evidence of sexual violence, rape, mutilation...Does Hamas really deserve another chance?"
Shtayyeh: "Look, as I told you, one should not continue focussing on October 7th. I told you at the very beginning that no way...that no way we accept, no way we accept any killing of any civilian innocent people, this is something that we should put behind ourselves. Under any circumstances that we need to have a situation in which palestinians are united but again on our political agenda. We are not going to go to their ground, we are not going to go to their ground, we want them to come to our ground. Our ground is very clear: Two states on the borders of '67 through peaceful means, [Talk continues]"
Seems like pie in the sky stuff. Not a chance in hell Israel would accept Hamas as a viable partner for anything. Nonetheless at no point is the world told to forget about October 7th.Here's the interview (relevant part starts at 15.31):
Edit: Is it no longer possible to embed YouTubes that start at specific times?
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I guess this is a step in the right direction, admitting there's no real difference between hamas terrorists and israel terrorists. The question now is, why do you support one set of terrorists?
UN experts appalled by reported human rights violations against Palestinian women and girls
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...lled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...lled-reported-human-rights-violations-against
It is pretty accurate. You can argue about semantics (forget vs. should not continue to focus).
Later on, Shtayyeh himself felt the need to clarify his remarks. So, Yousef clearly got the point.
https://www.jns.org/palestinian-pm-world-too-focused-on-oct-7-massacre/
Many others got the point as well:
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/0...ce-partner-world-is-too-focused-on-october-7/
We will see want will be the result of Moscow talks. Amin al-Husseini got picture with Hitler in Berlin. These guys will have picture with Putin in Moscow. You cant make this up.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/we-ne...r-urges-factions-to-meet-in-moscow-next-week/
Argue semantics? The tweet you posted quoted Shtayyeh saying words he didn't say in a context free environment. As for clarification, he had already 'clarified' his remarks earlier in the same interview (06.24):
Shtayyeh:"You are asking about now. yes? My duty is to make it clear to the audience so that the people understand the macro picture not only the little tiny micros. Even though the situation of October 7th has been disaster, catastrophic for everybody and we don't accept the fact that civilians have been killed; this is something that we totally don't accept but we should not allow the cycle of violence every now and then to repeat itself.
Quite clearly this is not an appeal for the world to forget, but an appeal to place October the 7th in the context of cycles of violence. The chap you quoted used disingenuous phrasing so others would reach jaundiced conclusions.How do Palestinian people protect themselves from the IDF?
I'm not joking, the popular answer is to suggest that palestinians should immigrate to other countries.
You can hear the reaction of the audience when he said it (around 17:40). There is no other way to understand it. Fair play to him, he immediately realized how that sounded and followed up with a corrective rhetoric how we denounce what happened on October 7.
Even when hammered with facts, you still try to twist them and have the last word.
You're truly shameless.
How bizarre that the only way out of this for the Israeli's, led by the Zionist cnuts, is to start a bigger war with Lebanon.
Not any worse than anyone taking a photo with the Prime Minister of Israel.
Don't think this is true. As of 10 minutes ago more reliable outlets are saying Brazil has recalled its own ambassador from Israel and summoned the Israeli ambassador for a meeting.
Yeah, this sounds right. The tweet jumped the gun on that.
That's why you should take a deep breath before posting these fecking tweets. Because that's all what your contribution to this thread is. Tweets, tweets, and then some more tweets. Some of them are truly helpful to understand the situation on the ground, but a lot of them are just opinions of Dave from the pub in the corner.
There's no prize for the fastest tweet poster and a high chance to look like a biased idiot if the info isn't confirmed by credible sources.
You lot get on my fecking nerves. You're bombing this thread with tweets and zero thought behind them or word written. People get tired and desensitized by the orgy of violence.
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This is heartbreaking.
You can hear the voice of the Red Crescent lady gradually breaking down despite trying her best to comfort and calm the child who will eventually be killed.
There's no one with a shred of humanity who can possibly go along with this. This will go down as one of the worst and most documented racial massacres since WWII, carried out by a so-called democracy, with the help and tacite support of the "holier than thou" western freedom merchants. I don't think that the West's reputation will ever recover from this.
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You missed the post where I linked the UN report, that wasn't a tweet.
I follow that account and he isn't someone I remember dealing with misinformation. It's significant if a country like Brazil did that, recalling their ambassador is still big.
don't really understand what you mean? Israel responding to rocket fire from Hezbollah.
I agree, but I honestly don't think anyone really gives a shit. It's all politics. Optics on how it affects them or how it could damage them with upcoming elections. That aside, as this has shown us, it's all about keeping the status quo. No rocking the boat, no upsetting the order things are running no matter how bad things get or how wrong they are.
The UN, after holding out for as long as it could, got off its knees and tried to stand up and look at what happened? Assaulted from all sides, attacked, defunded and buried with false accusations. South Africa has been getting a battering too, especially the last week or so.
The majority of us knew long ago we were cattle. Just here to work, pay taxes and get fed with distractions so we comply. I for one however fully admit I was naive enough to hope that when something like what is happening in Gaza and The West Bank got to a stage like it did around Christmas, that the world would collectively say enough is enough and the US and UK especially would use their power and influence to reign Israel and Netenyahu in. I never dreamed they would both get mugged off and made to look incompetent and impotent while everything carries on regardless. Worse really considering things have got so much worse and with the situation in Rafah, look to get even worse.
They can't care about reputation, and you know they will just use more distractions in the coming weeks and months. It's a cold harsh reality that even the suffering and tragedy of the genocide of so many people can't force other countries to do the right thing, be it because the attacker is funded and supported by the major western powers or because those being attacked are just Arab Muslims that are not supported. It's just all so fecking heartbreaking and depressing.
There's something called collective memory that lasts well beyond the average human lifespan. Beyond the killing, humiliation is the one thing that humans can never forget or forgive, and they'll make sure to pay you back in kind, whenever given the chance.
Like you, I honestly believed that Biden would put a foot on the brakes and tell the Israelis to call it a day before 2024 New Years' Eve. It seemed to me that it would be so counter-productive, even suicidal in the long-term, to allow this massacre to continue any longer. That's what I smuggly stated in this very thread about two and half months ago and boy, it showed how little I knew about the willingness of the current US administration to go along with genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Months ago I told one of this website's moderators, that Israel's end goal is to slowly push and squish the Palestinians in Gaza to the South in order to boot them out either to Egypt or the Sinai Desert while making the rest of the strip simply unhabitable for them.
In short, the coffer or the coffin, and it's still on the table.
There's no mistake to be made. Arabs or more precisely Palestinians are not viewed as entirely human beings, and now occupy the unenviable position Jews did in the thirties and before. They are fair game and nothing to shed a tear about.
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