We should move on.
Is it sensible to carry on with Bruno as the focal point of our team next season?
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He's just not that good. Replacing him with a good midfielder will transform our team.
Said it before Ten Hag took over still feel it now really, I don't see how he fits and works if we want to play a brand of football with more discipline and control.
Doesn't look like he's got any great desire to replace him though, made him captain, plays him every week. When Mount was fit, he still didn't get a chance in Bruno's position. I'm not even saying Mount would do better there, but I'd be interested in seeing how it went.
Doesn't look like he's got any great desire to replace him though, made him captain, plays him every week. When Mount was fit, he still didn't get a chance in Bruno's position. I'm not even saying Mount would do better there, but I'd be interested in seeing how it went.
It looks to me Bruno has past his prime. It's not only today, but by the season so far you see him basically could not finish easy chances and misplace lots of passes below par. When he just came he actually has some speed but now he just moves like Van der Beek. We may have run him to the ground and lead to this decline , but Bruno 's quality has dropped massively and I think we should move him on if Saudi offer arrives.
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If the price is right, I’d say get it done and move him on this summer. We have to sooner or later learn how to sell players who are no longer at their peak but not washed either.
But because of his really good fitness and injury record, I wouldn’t mind him to remain another year provided we try out some different options to start—maybe Hannibal and Gore play a big part next season. We still need the depth and we still might need to set up to counterattack against certain teams.
But because of his really good fitness and injury record, I wouldn’t mind him to remain another year provided we try out some different options to start—maybe Hannibal and Gore play a big part next season. We still need the depth and we still might need to set up to counterattack against certain teams.
Time to use his age as an excuse to transform him. Into a more composed midfielder than a gungho type of AM.
Sell Bruno to Saudi and put in a 100m bid for Odegaard.
Too many other problem positions to resolve unless we have some more Mainoos in waiting.
Sorry not buying this because it completely ignores the fundamental reasons why Bruno needs to go .
Considering his age, that's highly unlikely
When he loses his cool everything goes to shit.
He will be 30 years by September this year but he has played only once in Knockout Champions League Football.
Once. In round of 16.
He has never played in QF of champions league in his life, he has never been involved in a title race in his life
but miraculously he will lead us to winning big trophies like UCL or PL.
Talk about being delusional.
A top 6 player at best, Europa league quality. The earlier we move him the better for the football club
Once. In round of 16.
He has never played in QF of champions league in his life, he has never been involved in a title race in his life
but miraculously he will lead us to winning big trophies like UCL or PL.Talk about being delusional.
A top 6 player at best, Europa league quality. The earlier we move him the better for the football club
His productivity used to hide very well his many clear deficiencies but over time, it's clear we have to move on from him
I am ready to see him dropped when Mount comes back, to see how Mount can deal with #10.
Bruno has been playing as #10 every game, getting no competition for the position and that clearly hasn't helped him. His games are barely average, when what we need is excellence
Bruno has been playing as #10 every game, getting no competition for the position and that clearly hasn't helped him. His games are barely average, when what we need is excellence
Hopefully ETH has a plan to transform the way we play, Ineos sort out our recruitment and we sell players who are holding us back.
Bruno is still living off positive regard from his first six months. He’s been abysmal for most of his time here. His ratio of actual good games, not high stats, to poor is ridiculous and we’ve not been worse over a four year period since the 80s.
It’s time to move on, he gave us a great first six months where he was sensational. He gave us hope and always gives his all…but the standard of his performances in general are bad. He has so many weaknesses and even his strengths are weaknesses most of the time.
Ultimately our scouts have been proven right.
Bruno is still living off positive regard from his first six months. He’s been abysmal for most of his time here. His ratio of actual good games, not high stats, to poor is ridiculous and we’ve not been worse over a four year period since the 80s.
It’s time to move on, he gave us a great first six months where he was sensational. He gave us hope and always gives his all…but the standard of his performances in general are bad. He has so many weaknesses and even his strengths are weaknesses most of the time.
Ultimately our scouts have been proven right.
We're basically limping through games now without Bruno delivering, so makes sense to think of moving him on soon. In his prime it was the right decision to build around him, IMO Ole did really well to build a hard working midfield behind him at that time. But what ETH is asking his midfielders to do, I think Mount will be a much better fit, and even with MM I am not convinced if he's the guy long term.
I love him and have enjoyed him being here but if RVN only got five seasons and Jaap only got three then I think we can let him go.
Cracking player but not suited to modern, controlled football.
Cracking player but not suited to modern, controlled football.
Which is why he made him captain?!!!He's had some truly awful games this season but overall I think there's still more good than bad in his game.
I think a mobile DM and a more aggressive pair of CBs would help. Currently having a high-risk passer like Bruno leaves us wide open at times, but you can generally afford one player in that category if the rest of the team are squeezing the space and physically good on the cover.
I think a mobile DM and a more aggressive pair of CBs would help. Currently having a high-risk passer like Bruno leaves us wide open at times, but you can generally afford one player in that category if the rest of the team are squeezing the space and physically good on the cover.
Solid reasoning to sell our best player.
Both players would have had much longer careers at United if they hadn’t upset the manager.
Unbelievable player about 3-4 years ago when he could actually shoot and find the space and time to execute his passes. He's lost half a step and he's overcompensating in the wrong direction - becoming even more aggressive and playing like a kid on FIFA who only wants to play through balls.
He needs to re-evaluate his style and start valuing the football a lot more if he is going to be a viable starter as he gets older.
Unfortunately I don't think he has the capacity to do that so it's time to move him into a bench/impact player role, that or move him on.
He needs to re-evaluate his style and start valuing the football a lot more if he is going to be a viable starter as he gets older.
Unfortunately I don't think he has the capacity to do that so it's time to move him into a bench/impact player role, that or move him on.
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There's been some great moments in his time here, even this season some of his forward passing has been sublime, but what you see is what you get, there's been no development in his game during his time here. He's never going to be anything other than what he is. It can be really effective in a counter attacking side, but he's always going to infuriate with his decision making, that 93rd minute shot at Luton is an obvious example.
Two years left on his contract on silly wages, if Al-Hilal come back in the summer we should look to ease him out of the club.
Two years left on his contract on silly wages, if Al-Hilal come back in the summer we should look to ease him out of the club.
I've said quite a few times if he actually played with more composure and less off the cuff he'd be a better player. Rui Costa is the player he should be looking at and he could be that effective in a team if he was willing to be more of a team player on the ball.
Who else could he give it to?
Rashford? Scott McTominay? Shaw?
Ole said himself:
Some weren’t as good as their own perception of themselves. I won’t name names, but I was very disappointed when a couple turned down the chance to be captain.
Not sure I agree, we do have problems all over the pitch but Bruno's wastefulness is a key cause of our inability to control games. His attacking output has plummeted and without that he is just a waste of space
The better players can choose their moments when to play high risk passes or slow down the play. Bruno can't and one of the most frustrating things is how often he misplaces simple passes. His performances against the best teams have also been laughably bad
If he wanted rid of Bruno he would have killed all the media/fan chat and got behind Maguire as captain.
He is still top chance creator in the PL, though I’ll concede he needs to be more clinical when he has a chance himself.
It looks to me like he's playing the style Madrid did so well in the Champions League, comfortable absorbing lots of pressure, working to get the ball back then launching devastating counter/,transition attacks.
They had/have Kroos, Modric, Benzema, Vinicius Junior, Valverde....We're trying to do that with a squad of players with half the ability of these players and even less intelligence in a very competitive league..that's the problem.
I still think we have a squad capable or doing much better than they are and Bruno in my opinion could well be part of it, we need to totally change what we're trying to do though, in my opinion.
It's not easy to have a meaningful discussion about this when so many people already have a fundamentally delusional idea about what he brings, and have clearly stopped paying proper attention to what happens on the pitch. If they did, they'd know that he is still the key cog in whatever we manage to create offensively, and in fact still one of the very best - possibly the best - chance creator in the PL.
Which is a pity, because a discussion about his legs and whether they're going might otherwise be worth having. There are certainly some worrying nuances between what he's doing now and what he was doing two years ago. But what's the point of having that discussion with people so far gone that they're already seeing "a waste of space".
Which is a pity, because a discussion about his legs and whether they're going might otherwise be worth having. There are certainly some worrying nuances between what he's doing now and what he was doing two years ago. But what's the point of having that discussion with people so far gone that they're already seeing "a waste of space".
That in itself is the issue if we want to replace him, we're looking at huge sums/unobtainable players to actually get a full upgrade on him.
Erm noSolid reasoning to sell our best player.
Both players would have had much longer careers at United if they hadn’t upset the manager.
RVN was too much of a focal point, the manager rightly recognised the team would be better with a fluid front three of Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez.
Stam, while annoying the manager also had an Achilles injury was in his late twenties.
It was never sensible to make a player who - loses the ball so often, is not good under pressure, can't hold or shield the ball, can't dribble, is not a very good short passer etc etc- the focal point of our team. That was the scouting assessment on him too and that's why we didn't sign him in summer 2019. However, for some reason we got desperate and signed him in the next transfer window. Worst we gave him a bumper new contract when it didn't even warrant it.
So no, we shouldn't make him the focal point of our team next season. In fact, we should be praying that some Saudi team comes in and takes him off us in the summer. His no look hoofs what send our front 3 on wild goose chases constantly can't be good for their long term future too.
So no, we shouldn't make him the focal point of our team next season. In fact, we should be praying that some Saudi team comes in and takes him off us in the summer. His no look hoofs what send our front 3 on wild goose chases constantly can't be good for their long term future too.
Bruno is the system with how much he dominates possession.
I’d rather sell
maguire
Mctominay
Martial
Awb
Evans
Eriksen
Lindelof
Rashford
Donny
Mejbri
before we sell Bruno. Way down the pecking order.
maguire
Mctominay
Martial
Awb
Evans
Eriksen
Lindelof
Rashford
Donny
Mejbri
before we sell Bruno. Way down the pecking order.
You’re making stuff up here. It’s documented in Ferguson own book that he sold RVN because they had an altercation at the league cup final. This was after RVN and CR7 had a bust up in training.Erm no
RVN was too much of a focal point, the manager rightly recognised the team would be better with a fluid front three of Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez.
Stam, while annoying the manager also had an Achilles injury was in his late twenties.
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I'm really not.
I would sell him if the opportunity came up although I don’t think it will as he doesn’t seem the type to go to Saudi Arabia.
He should have been sold two seasons ago but this summer is better late than never. I used to excuse his wastefulness on the ball because he produced at an incredible rate his first 2.5 seasons. Once the production vanished, it became pointless to play him. It is no coincidence that he has been right at the heart of by far the worst midfield in the big 6 (and one of the worst midfields in the premier league period) over the last 3 seasons. He never gets injured and never gets dropped. The only coach who has had the balls to drop him was Carrick and the one time he got dropped, our midfield looked the most coherent it has looked in 10 years against Villareal.
Erm no
RVN was too much of a focal point, the manager rightly recognised the team would be better with a fluid front three of Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez.
Stam, while annoying the manager also had an Achilles injury was in his late twenties.
Tevez came after RVN had left no? Saha initially replaced RVN and we looked a lot better due to that change, just a shame he had his fitness issues.