Why did he rate him so highly then?
Same reason he rated Phil Jones blind faith
Is it me or everyone is overrating Lingard's movement?
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Same reason he rated Phil Jones blind faith
Weird timing, nobody rates Lingard these days.
He's still a promising youngster though, just needs time.
With Lingard & Lallana, England's attacking midfield could be sorted for the next decade.
He's still a promising youngster though, just needs time.
With Lingard & Lallana, England's attacking midfield could be sorted for the next decade.
It is overrated. Even in this topic someone claims that you need to understand football to appreciate it. That really shows how overrated it is. Like Lingard is a player only a connoisseur of football will be able to appreciate.
Yes he runs quite a bit. He moves in from the right to play in the middle so he can sometimes receive the ball. He will get it and try to pass it, without taking any risk, to a person in the same shirt. When United doesnt have the ball he does pressure the opponent a bit but never gets the ball from it (also because the other strikers dont do it with him). I dont often see him making forward runs behind the defenders to receive a ball there.
He is just a player who moves around a bit and even if his 'movement' was world class it still wouldnt make up for the lack of his other qualities... and his movement isnt even world class. In the end he is just a very average player who doesnt score, doesnt assist and hardly does anything noteworthy on the pitch.
At the moment it looks like he will be starting a lot of games next season though.. maybe this will finally be the breakthrough season of this young talanted lad!
Yes he runs quite a bit. He moves in from the right to play in the middle so he can sometimes receive the ball. He will get it and try to pass it, without taking any risk, to a person in the same shirt. When United doesnt have the ball he does pressure the opponent a bit but never gets the ball from it (also because the other strikers dont do it with him). I dont often see him making forward runs behind the defenders to receive a ball there.
He is just a player who moves around a bit and even if his 'movement' was world class it still wouldnt make up for the lack of his other qualities... and his movement isnt even world class. In the end he is just a very average player who doesnt score, doesnt assist and hardly does anything noteworthy on the pitch.
At the moment it looks like he will be starting a lot of games next season though.. maybe this will finally be the breakthrough season of this young talanted lad!
Absolutely, its the new “silent domination”.
When “good movement” and “runs a lot” are all the positives that you can say about an attacking player, you know they’re bang average.
When “good movement” and “runs a lot” are all the positives that you can say about an attacking player, you know they’re bang average.
Jesse Lingard is a better player than we all think. He'll be very useful this season.
People confuse good movement with a lot of movement. Jesse moves a lot.
It's not clever movement to vacate the right flank at every occasion.
Far to few of his runs are behind defences, it's all happening in front of defences with little threat.
He's become a known player, defenders don't worry too much about him making these runs because he takes very few risks when receiving the ball. So he isn't really pulling defenders away or opening up space.
Frankly, he contributes very little to our attack, and his movement isn't doing what it arguably did a couple of seasons ago.
Far to few of his runs are behind defences, it's all happening in front of defences with little threat.
He's become a known player, defenders don't worry too much about him making these runs because he takes very few risks when receiving the ball. So he isn't really pulling defenders away or opening up space.
Frankly, he contributes very little to our attack, and his movement isn't doing what it arguably did a couple of seasons ago.
It's an invention by his fan club. He has no other attributes so headless chicken movement is now seen as a quality in a footballer.
His movement would improve considerably if he moved to another club. Unfortunately no other club is vaguely interested so we're stuck with him.
His movement would improve considerably if he moved to another club. Unfortunately no other club is vaguely interested so we're stuck with him.
Over a long sample size his movement has been good and he gets himself a lot of clear cut chances, especially relative to everyone else when we play vs park the bus. 2 years ago when he was still so inexperienced there was hope that if he improved his finished and composure then he could get 10 or 15 goals . It can probably still happen but Not sure what the catalyst will be now
He's got decent movement. Always offers for the ball and gets into good positions to link play. He just doesn't have the ability to do anything with it.
Lingard is the footballing equivalent of a clickbait website. His runs are constant but only made to ensure he's reaching maximum SEO. Total quantity over quality.
Or something like that, maybe.
Or something like that, maybe.
To be honest Lingard is far from the biggest issue with the team. If he played for Palace he would be raved about. In saying that, He's not good enough to be starting first team regularly but he's a brilliant option off the bench. He does score important goals and imo is very harshly thought of by some on these forums.
Just like oshea not good enough but still an important part of the squad.
Just like oshea not good enough but still an important part of the squad.
Wait, this is based off the Perth match?
Lingard’s movement is tremendous when there are spaces to move into. Parking the bus with a defensive line of five will tend to limit those spaces.
Despite what people are saying in here, there's a lot of talk about his movement in match threads, and in his performance threads last season. When Ole first came his movement did help us a fair amount. I've not really seen it since. Hard to say in friendlies with the random teams chopping and changing so much, but it was mentioned a lot in the friendly match thread.
Whether it's overrated or not, it's not enough.
Whether it's overrated or not, it's not enough.
I'm sure he was joking.It is overrated. Even in this topic someone claims that you need to understand football to appreciate it. That really shows how overrated it is. Like Lingard is a player only a connoisseur of football will be able to appreciate.
Yes he runs quite a bit. He moves in from the right to play in the middle so he can sometimes receive the ball. He will get it and try to pass it, without taking any risk, to a person in the same shirt. When United doesnt have the ball he does pressure the opponent a bit but never gets the ball from it (also because the other strikers dont do it with him). I dont often see him making forward runs behind the defenders to receive a ball there.
He is just a player who moves around a bit and even if his 'movement' was world class it still wouldnt make up for the lack of his other qualities... and his movement isnt even world class. In the end he is just a very average player who doesnt score, doesnt assist and hardly does anything noteworthy on the pitch.
At the moment it looks like he will be starting a lot of games next season though.. maybe this will finally be the breakthrough season of this young talanted lad!
We're still awaiting Anderson's potential to come through also.....
And for those saying he's still young.....he's 26.
Hes not young in football terms. He should be at his peak. And if this is his peak....
Hes not young in football terms. He should be at his peak. And if this is his peak....
Lingard is our hardest working player, if the rest of the team worked as hard as Lingard on the pitch, our results would be better.
Wouldn’t call anything Lingard does as ‘overrated’ on the Caf... everyone thinks he’s fecking shite
Lingard does have good movement. It's not overrated.
He has fair movement, our issue with his movement is that opponents tend to have to chase down and pester players with the ball, to agitate them and make them lose the ball. Unfortunately for us, for all his movement, you never feel he is actually going to open the pitch up by dragging opponents out of position. He rarely gets man marked as they know he doesn't do enough to warrant such close attention. He is a peripheral player at best.
I see a lot in here about Lingard, and he is a bit of an enigma as it's hard to work out if he does enough. However looking at it from "the outside" the hard truth is that he would get nowhere near the current City or Liverpool teams, or any of your best teams. He is worth having around at the moment, but if Utd want to be back at the top table again he will not be in that team.
I think people are confused about his dance movements. If he does this on the pitch I think the opponents would be more confused and it may open up more space for his team mates.
if he could just be moved to another club...
I'm glad it brought you so much pleasure.
If after as you say nearly 200 games for United some fans still haven't picked up on his way above average ability to find space in tight areas, and the ability to create space for team-mates with intelligent running they probably never will, best stick to heat-maps, goals/assists stats and pie charts and forget about observational stuff because they obviously don't know what they are looking at, sadly for them and poor millionaire Jesse.
It's disturbing how many fans give two shits about what the lad does on social media, is he not allowed to switch off for 5 minutes, or should he be sat at home with a bag on his head stressed out of his tits because United aren't doing as well as he and the fans would like??
I doubt it... just read the post above this one.
I saw you made a comment earlier about people that can’t understand his movement don’t understand football and at first I thought it was just sarcasm and thought it was actually a pretty funny post but now I read this.
Do you actually think his movement is good and intelligent? He hides behind people and doesn’t offer himself in good positions or in an area someone can actually get a pass to him. He closes up more space than he opens and to boot he is shocking with the ball.
Silent domination, if you can’t see it, you don’t know football.
I thought it was a joke apparently you're serious
Who needs assists and goals (which is what really matters for attacking players at big clubs) when you have Jesse’s ground breaking moves in tight areas?
Edgy opinion: A lot of the hate Lingard gets is because of his personality.
I think it the combination of his personality and his (lack of) on field performances.
He works hard and at times he does cause problems for the defence, he can improve a lot of his skills but his movement is effective in certain games, especially against teams with a high back four.
It's either underrating or overrating. Is there no middle ground? Jesse is a limited but very intelligent players who knows when to make runs or move into pockets of spaces. His movement is better than say his mates Pogba and Rashford. bite
Yeah, Ole doesn’t seem to be a fan of his “personality” either.
Looks like Lingard toned it down nicely since the whole pillow humping fiasco.
His movement is good, as in what you expect from an attacker who has spent his entire life in a top class academy. Compared to players like Martial who either don't know where to move or do know and just don't bother.
His ability to run around in space is worth far more than goals or assists ever could be.
This. Whenever the anti-Jesse brigade starts sniping they never want to deal with this fact and others such as the fact that England managers, Sir Alex Ferguson, Louis Van Gaal, Jose Mourinho and now Ole have all chosen Jesse Lingard.
The same recycled chorus that is always sniping at Marcus Rashford.
The numpty chorus should be aware that facts do not cease to exist just because some do not wish to recognize them.
his could explain why Lingard was going on about 'Beans'.
To improve the quality and consistency of his 'movement'.
To improve the quality and consistency of his 'movement'.
It's a joke.And for those saying he's still young.....he's 26.
Hes not young in football terms. He should be at his peak. And if this is his peak....
Eh what? No it’s not. He’s a young kid with plenty of time to develop.