Is it impossible that we could end up waiting another ten or even twenty years to win another Premier League?

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Desperately trying to avoid being hyperbolic here, but would been keen to know the view of other caf members.

Taking a step back, the facts are fair;y clear; after a quarter of a century of unmatched success, in terms of PL silverware, United are no longer competitive. In the years since Sir Alex's departure we have not just been overtaken by City, but also Chelsea, Liverpool..Even Leicester have won a PL title more recently than us. It is likely that in the next few years Newcastle will emerge as a dominant force in the Premier League. Next season Arsenal will likely replace us in the Champions League and if their current trajectory is anything to go by, could well be on the way to becoming a serious PL contender again in the years to come. Let's wait and see.

By contrast, after three years of 'rebuilding' under Ole, we are doing nothing more than flattering to deceive. The argument will be made that like Tuchel at Chelsea, a manager can revive a club's fortunes in half a season and as such, the only missing ingredient is the right manager. However, winning the CL is not the same as winning the PL. Rafa Benitez managed to win a CL trophy and failed to win the PL in five attempts. There is no doubt that results and performances of United do not do justice to the quality of the squad. However, it is fairly obvious that the issues at United are about more than the right manager and the quality of the playing staff. In recent months the culture and attitude at the club have also been found wanting. These are exactly the sorts of issues that kept Liverpool in the tittle wilderness for three decades.

By dint of our heritage, United will always be a big club. As such we will always attract ambitious players and managers, but by itself will that be enough? Do you think there is a realistic prospect that we could be looking at decades in the PL title wilderness?
 
Far from impossible, it's probably likely. It's very difficult to win the league, Liverpool (who have the 2nd most) went 30 years without winning one, Arsenal (3rd most) are at 18 years and are still miles away. If we get the managerial appointment right then we can at last start to head in the right direction but firstly we have to get back to challenging, never mind winning a league title but we haven't even been a contender for one since Ferguson left.
 
We haven’t challenged for the premier league in 9 years. I don’t see any possible way that we beat Man City and Newcastle when we have less expertise, resources and ambition.

It wouldn’t make sense to predict that we ever win the league again as it would be completely against the odds like when Leicester won it.
 
Yeah, it’s impossible. We will win the treble next year. Mark my words.
 
Spurs have been waiting since the 60s.

As our financial advantages continue to dissipate it it could be 10, 20, 30 years or maybe never again.
 
I think there will be some form of Super League before that so I don't expect another PL title ever again.
 
Absolutely possible. In fact I don't see it happening over the next 5-7 so that stretching to 10/15/20 is possible too
 
Well, let's put it this way - I will be surprised if we win league in the next 5 years. Look at what we achieved in last 8 years while spending close to 1 billion - almost nothing. Not trying to be negative but we are business first and football club second. Unlike Chelsea (former Chelsea I guess), MC and recently Liverpool.
 
Absolutely possible and ten years I'd say it's quite likely unless the club stumble on another 'class of 92' or another Fergie. When our domestic rivals have the two best managers in the world, better teams, better infrastructure and plenty of money then there really is no quick fix. Maybe luck will go our way one year.

It wouldn't surprise me if Newcastle and Chelsea (given their current predicament) win the league before us. And I say this because Newcastle are loaded and can spend well under FFP after the last few years, but they're starting from scratch with no loyalties to ex players like we seem to. They'll pay the best, for the best, adopt a modern infrastructure and away they go. For example, they'd hire Conte if he was the best manager available, whereas we'll go for the next best thing because 'Conte isn't a United manager'
 
It's not just possible. It's highly probable I would say. Unless things drastically change with our ownership and/or management we are not getting near City in the next 10 years. Until very recently, I would have said the same about Chelsea.
 
It’s very possible. I don’t see us winning it in the next 5 years and that’s on the basis we finally get our shit together and put a proper structure and plan in place. Feck knows how long it could be if we continue bumbling along making bad decision after bad decision, suddenly the dippers 30 year wait is no longer a running joke but very much a reality.
 
This is PL. In last decade we had 5 PL winners. So we can win it next year and we can be without title next 10 years.
I am optimistic tbh. Pep will go away soon, Chelsea is in a mess, Liverpool is old(ish).
It is all about manager. If we hire right one, we will win it soon.
 
Under current ownership and club management, we're virtually assured to never win anything, let alone the league.

We're a marketing scheme masquerading as a football club.
 
To win you need good recruitment/players and a good manager with the business side run well. If you can't financially blow out people for big talents, your job is even harder.

United are so far behind the pack with most of these things, it's totally plausible that we are 'done' as a power house, at least on the field...I say this but it's been the case for a long time.

I don't think there's a quick fix any more - it's perhaps a bit OTT but I think we need to be looking at rebuilding pretty much everything, total clear out etc.
 
As long as Glazers own the club we wont win the title.
 
To make the Glazers leave will require direct action similar to what match going fans did last season.
To disrupt high profile matches that are broadcast all over the world.
Advertisers would not want to pay money to a 'franchise' that is hated by its own fanbase.
 
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Easily. Ask a dipper.
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I don't think United's league drought will be as long as Liverpool. As a brand, United are more valuable and have more money than Liverpool ever had. Let's not forget, that Liverpool was about to be in administration at one point.

United need to appoint a coach with great potential, like Ten Haag, and give him the correct structure to work with. That might not take as much time as it sounds. But appointing the correct people is extremely crucial.

All in all, I think Manchester United will win a league in the next 5 years.
 
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For the first time in a long while I for one am very optimistic about the future. When Fergie left we were very much as out dated club relying on the brilliance of an individual running everything. There's no modern club that runs like that & we're finally starting to get the back office structures right, possibly not with the right people, but at least the positions are there.

For all our criticisms about the Glazers, they have invested in the playing squad. Yes Old Trafford & Carrington need updating, not denying that, but we've wasted a billion in transfers. Investment in the playing squad will be there.

We have Ralf in who is a modern consultant. If we make the right choice with the next manager who possesses a modern management style, like Tuchel or Ten Hag, then we're close to defining a style & culture again. Hopefully the investment in the playing squad will then be selective & based on what we need for our , not just a "Galactico" style signing like Ronaldo who needs the team to adapt to their playing style.

As much as I hate them, Liverpool finished 8th in 2015. They then had a big summer of clearing the deadwood out (including someone called Maguire...), promoted Michael Edwards to Director of Football & starting the climb.

I am hoping that this is our 2015, we'll boot a lot of the deadwood out, struggle next year to 4th, recruit wisely & then start challenging again.
 
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I don't think United's league drought will be as long as Liverpool. As a brand, United are more valuable and have more money than Liverpool ever had. Let's not forget, that Liverpool was about to be in administration at one point.

United need to appoint a coach with great potential, like Ten Haag, and give him the correct structure to work with. That might not take as much time as it sounds. But appointing the correct people is extremely crucial.

All in all, I think Manchester United will win a league in the next 5 years.
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People forget the financial power the dippers had from the Moore’s pool money. It is in later years the farce with Hicks and Gillette took place. Liverpool were spending millions under Dalglish and Souness.
 
I'm not trying to exaggerate or be negative but It wouldn't surprise me if we have to wait another 10-15 years before we win the league again.
 
Not impossible, but it's extremely unlikely that we'd go twenty years without. Ten is a maybe, but not so likely unless we enter an era of total dominance by the oil clubs. At the end of the day, we have the finances to continue buying top-shelf players, and eventually that'll work out. It always does. When you look at clubs that used to be at the top but then go through decades of crap, it's always because they simply don't have the finances to keep up with the competition. That's not the case for United. Sooner or later, the toxic elements in the club will either be replaced or learn from their mistakes and do better.
 
fastwalker said:
Desperately trying to avoid being hyperbolic here, but would been keen to know the view of other caf members.

Taking a step back, the facts are fair;y clear; after a quarter of a century of unmatched success, in terms of PL silverware, United are no longer competitive. In the years since Sir Alex's departure we have not just been overtaken by City, but also Chelsea, Liverpool..Even Leicester have won a PL title more recently than us. It is likely that in the next few years Newcastle will emerge as a dominant force in the Premier League. Next season Arsenal will likely replace us in the Champions League and if their current trajectory is anything to go by, could well be on the way to becoming a serious PL contender again in the years to come. Let's wait and see.

By contrast, after three years of 'rebuilding' under Ole, we are doing nothing more than flattering to deceive. The argument will be made that like Tuchel at Chelsea, a manager can revive a club's fortunes in half a season and as such, the only missing ingredient is the right manager. However, winning the CL is not the same as winning the PL. Rafa Benitez managed to win a CL trophy and failed to win the PL in five attempts. There is no doubt that results and performances of United do not do justice to the quality of the squad. However, it is fairly obvious that the issues at United are about more than the right manager and the quality of the playing staff. In recent months the culture and attitude at the club have also been found wanting. These are exactly the sorts of issues that kept Liverpool in the tittle wilderness for three decades.

By dint of our heritage, United will always be a big club. As such we will always attract ambitious players and managers, but by itself will that be enough? Do you think there is a realistic prospect that we could be looking at decades in the PL title wilderness?
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Highly unlikely.
 
Personally can’t see it. City and Newcastle will soon dominate every season. The only way City or Newcastle don’t win the league is if they get the wrong managerial appointment.
 
Unless we get bought out 100%. I can’t see how we feasibly win a Prem title unless our rivals fall apart one or two seasons currently.
 
Unless we get a Klopp, there is no way to compete with two state owned clubs. They will outspend us by 100 millions a year if you consider club from top to bottom. There is no competing with that.
 
fastwalker said:
Desperately trying to avoid being hyperbolic here, but would been keen to know the view of other caf members.

Taking a step back, the facts are fair;y clear; after a quarter of a century of unmatched success, in terms of PL silverware, United are no longer competitive. In the years since Sir Alex's departure we have not just been overtaken by City, but also Chelsea, Liverpool..Even Leicester have won a PL title more recently than us. It is likely that in the next few years Newcastle will emerge as a dominant force in the Premier League. Next season Arsenal will likely replace us in the Champions League and if their current trajectory is anything to go by, could well be on the way to becoming a serious PL contender again in the years to come. Let's wait and see.

By contrast, after three years of 'rebuilding' under Ole, we are doing nothing more than flattering to deceive. The argument will be made that like Tuchel at Chelsea, a manager can revive a club's fortunes in half a season and as such, the only missing ingredient is the right manager. However, winning the CL is not the same as winning the PL. Rafa Benitez managed to win a CL trophy and failed to win the PL in five attempts. There is no doubt that results and performances of United do not do justice to the quality of the squad. However, it is fairly obvious that the issues at United are about more than the right manager and the quality of the playing staff. In recent months the culture and attitude at the club have also been found wanting. These are exactly the sorts of issues that kept Liverpool in the tittle wilderness for three decades.

By dint of our heritage, United will always be a big club. As such we will always attract ambitious players and managers, but by itself will that be enough? Do you think there is a realistic prospect that we could be looking at decades in the PL title wilderness?
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There was a very good caller to Radio 5's 606 last night who had a view that resonates with this thread. It was at about 7ish pm.

He basically said that to move forward, the club needs to stop living in the past: take down the statue of Sir Alex he mentioned. I would add change the name of his stand too. Ask him to attend the games but discreetly (maybe in a disguise*) because otherwise his presence & the history of his time, casts such an intimidating aura over the club that they can never win again.

Without this sea change no decent manager will want to join in the summer as they know there is a back-seat driver (or at the very least - a back-seat imposing passenger) & no up and coming players will want to come because a) Utd. are unlikely to be in the Champions league and b) they will still be living on past glories. Old Trafford will become a football version of the Harlem Globe trotters, a retirement home for the greats of yesteryear and whilst still getting massive media coverage and the odd shock result (like yesterday), they wont actually win anything.

There is a three-week gap now till the next league game.... get some men in and make some changes.


*People may laugh at this and say he has earned the right to sit in a directors box pulling faces, but my point is - it is actually history repeating itself: Sir Matt Busby in the early 1970s. As the saying goes: 'Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.'
 
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