Irene Guerrero | Leaves the club after playing 26 minutes in the league

I don't think she's told us anything that we didn't already suspect. It's sad but not surprising to hear how it felt from the inside. I hope she can get back to enjoying football with her new team and of course with a new manager.

You're right. I'm glad that Irene at least knows that we're on her side about it, and wished that she had way more minutes through an appropriate rotation system, and that she felt that she contributed on the pitch as much as her positive mentoring to teammates. I'm a bit sad she's gone.

Hopefully she'll have a great time at her next place, and that certain managerial members of our club realises squad rotation is key to success!
 
https://www.marca.com/futbol/futbol...me-bano-llorar-lavarme-cara-salir-pasara.html

A damning interview with Irene Guerrero has emerged... rough translation below -

About her time in United:

She talks about his bad experience in Manchester. What happened to him?

I arrived in England with a lot of confidence after being world champion, a great desire to work and an immense predisposition to adapt as soon as possible to an English League that for me was a challenge. I did everything in my hand to get a chance, but when the weeks go by and it doesn’t reach you, you see how you get tiny.

It was hard for her to play...

In the first game they gave me minutes [on October 22, 2023 she participated in the victory against Everton by 0-5 leaving the field in the 83rd minute] I could make myself noticed giving a goal assist, but I received a ticket that injured me. What was going to be a minor injury ended up leaving me out for four months because I had touched the internal ligament of the knee and in that time the team was formed. When I returned to training in January I had minutes in some games between January and March [she played in two League games, three of the FA Cup and one of the FA Cup League - the only one in which he was a starter -], but then there is a period that I play absolutely nothing. I understand perfectly that a coach may like a player profile more than another and absolutely nothing happens, but that they deny you the opportunity to show your level or potential and then see if it fits or not in your game model...

I notice her frustrated...

It was hard for me to fit in at that time. I wondered: ‘Why do you come to sign me, pay for a transfer and give an exchange player if then you don’t count on me?’ Mentally reconcilining that was not easy. The support I had from my family and my partner helped me to bring out the positive part and put on the work overalls. When I touched the bottom I began to approach it in a different way. I had moments of weakness, of not understanding why I had left a place where I was well and I thought I could compete to go to a club where I was being denied as a soccer player. I learned another facet of soccer, but I took very good companions who made me feel at home and an experience that is forging you as a person and as an athlete.

Did you need help to manage what happened?

I remember days that in the middle of training, seeing that every week exactly the same thing was repeated, I had to get into the bathroom to cry, wash my face and leave as if nothing had happened. I tried to let anyone notice and not affect the team, but I had a very important, very hard mental limit. I also went through moments of sending everything to hell, especially when I got home and said to my partner: ‘I want to go home, I don’t want to be here. I’m not enjoying, I’m not happy and I feel like it’s not worth everything I’ve sacrificed to come to another country. The reward for the effort and work I am doing on a daily basis is zero’.

Who did she lean on to get out of the well?

In those moments of weakness it is important to be surrounded by the right people who know how to lead you and who help you approach that path in a positive way. I’m grateful and I’m lucky that those people didn’t let me throw in the towel. I remember something they told me and that stayed in my head: ‘How are you going to allow a person’s decisions to make you throw away all your professional career years, everything you have lived and everything you have sacrificed just because they are not knowing how to value your potential or are not finding the time to give you that opportunity?’ I focused on working more. I trained with the team in the morning and in the afternoon I went to the gym to be stronger and better prepare for what could come in the future. I wanted to be ready both mentally and physically to be able to show that Irene Guerrero is still left for a while.

Did you look for a quick exit?

I never offered to leave Manchester United, but there were clubs that, seeing the situation I was in, without playing and without opportunities, showed their interest. I had two years of contract and therefore whoever wanted me had to assume a transfer, so among the clubs that appeared I think I chose the best option. The personal proposal and the sports project was why I ended up deciding on America.

translated with inbuilt translate function in safari (google translate)
 
https://www.marca.com/futbol/futbol...me-bano-llorar-lavarme-cara-salir-pasara.html

A damning interview with Irene Guerrero has emerged... rough translation below -

About her time in United:

She talks about his bad experience in Manchester. What happened to him?

I arrived in England with a lot of confidence after being world champion, a great desire to work and an immense predisposition to adapt as soon as possible to an English League that for me was a challenge. I did everything in my hand to get a chance, but when the weeks go by and it doesn’t reach you, you see how you get tiny.

It was hard for her to play...

In the first game they gave me minutes [on October 22, 2023 she participated in the victory against Everton by 0-5 leaving the field in the 83rd minute] I could make myself noticed giving a goal assist, but I received a ticket that injured me. What was going to be a minor injury ended up leaving me out for four months because I had touched the internal ligament of the knee and in that time the team was formed. When I returned to training in January I had minutes in some games between January and March [she played in two League games, three of the FA Cup and one of the FA Cup League - the only one in which he was a starter -], but then there is a period that I play absolutely nothing. I understand perfectly that a coach may like a player profile more than another and absolutely nothing happens, but that they deny you the opportunity to show your level or potential and then see if it fits or not in your game model...

I notice her frustrated...

It was hard for me to fit in at that time. I wondered: ‘Why do you come to sign me, pay for a transfer and give an exchange player if then you don’t count on me?’ Mentally reconcilining that was not easy. The support I had from my family and my partner helped me to bring out the positive part and put on the work overalls. When I touched the bottom I began to approach it in a different way. I had moments of weakness, of not understanding why I had left a place where I was well and I thought I could compete to go to a club where I was being denied as a soccer player. I learned another facet of soccer, but I took very good companions who made me feel at home and an experience that is forging you as a person and as an athlete.

Did you need help to manage what happened?

I remember days that in the middle of training, seeing that every week exactly the same thing was repeated, I had to get into the bathroom to cry, wash my face and leave as if nothing had happened. I tried to let anyone notice and not affect the team, but I had a very important, very hard mental limit. I also went through moments of sending everything to hell, especially when I got home and said to my partner: ‘I want to go home, I don’t want to be here. I’m not enjoying, I’m not happy and I feel like it’s not worth everything I’ve sacrificed to come to another country. The reward for the effort and work I am doing on a daily basis is zero’.

Who did she lean on to get out of the well?

In those moments of weakness it is important to be surrounded by the right people who know how to lead you and who help you approach that path in a positive way. I’m grateful and I’m lucky that those people didn’t let me throw in the towel. I remember something they told me and that stayed in my head: ‘How are you going to allow a person’s decisions to make you throw away all your professional career years, everything you have lived and everything you have sacrificed just because they are not knowing how to value your potential or are not finding the time to give you that opportunity?’ I focused on working more. I trained with the team in the morning and in the afternoon I went to the gym to be stronger and better prepare for what could come in the future. I wanted to be ready both mentally and physically to be able to show that Irene Guerrero is still left for a while.

Did you look for a quick exit?

I never offered to leave Manchester United, but there were clubs that, seeing the situation I was in, without playing and without opportunities, showed their interest. I had two years of contract and therefore whoever wanted me had to assume a transfer, so among the clubs that appeared I think I chose the best option. The personal proposal and the sports project was why I ended up deciding on America.

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I was just about to post this, as reported in The Guardian, but your post presents a more complete picture. It's so saddening.
 
https://www.marca.com/futbol/futbol...me-bano-llorar-lavarme-cara-salir-pasara.html

A damning interview with Irene Guerrero has emerged... rough translation below -

About her time in United:

She talks about his bad experience in Manchester. What happened to him?

I arrived in England with a lot of confidence after being world champion, a great desire to work and an immense predisposition to adapt as soon as possible to an English League that for me was a challenge. I did everything in my hand to get a chance, but when the weeks go by and it doesn’t reach you, you see how you get tiny.

It was hard for her to play...

In the first game they gave me minutes [on October 22, 2023 she participated in the victory against Everton by 0-5 leaving the field in the 83rd minute] I could make myself noticed giving a goal assist, but I received a ticket that injured me. What was going to be a minor injury ended up leaving me out for four months because I had touched the internal ligament of the knee and in that time the team was formed. When I returned to training in January I had minutes in some games between January and March [she played in two League games, three of the FA Cup and one of the FA Cup League - the only one in which he was a starter -], but then there is a period that I play absolutely nothing. I understand perfectly that a coach may like a player profile more than another and absolutely nothing happens, but that they deny you the opportunity to show your level or potential and then see if it fits or not in your game model...

I notice her frustrated...

It was hard for me to fit in at that time. I wondered: ‘Why do you come to sign me, pay for a transfer and give an exchange player if then you don’t count on me?’ Mentally reconcilining that was not easy. The support I had from my family and my partner helped me to bring out the positive part and put on the work overalls. When I touched the bottom I began to approach it in a different way. I had moments of weakness, of not understanding why I had left a place where I was well and I thought I could compete to go to a club where I was being denied as a soccer player. I learned another facet of soccer, but I took very good companions who made me feel at home and an experience that is forging you as a person and as an athlete.

Did you need help to manage what happened?

I remember days that in the middle of training, seeing that every week exactly the same thing was repeated, I had to get into the bathroom to cry, wash my face and leave as if nothing had happened. I tried to let anyone notice and not affect the team, but I had a very important, very hard mental limit. I also went through moments of sending everything to hell, especially when I got home and said to my partner: ‘I want to go home, I don’t want to be here. I’m not enjoying, I’m not happy and I feel like it’s not worth everything I’ve sacrificed to come to another country. The reward for the effort and work I am doing on a daily basis is zero’.

Who did she lean on to get out of the well?

In those moments of weakness it is important to be surrounded by the right people who know how to lead you and who help you approach that path in a positive way. I’m grateful and I’m lucky that those people didn’t let me throw in the towel. I remember something they told me and that stayed in my head: ‘How are you going to allow a person’s decisions to make you throw away all your professional career years, everything you have lived and everything you have sacrificed just because they are not knowing how to value your potential or are not finding the time to give you that opportunity?’ I focused on working more. I trained with the team in the morning and in the afternoon I went to the gym to be stronger and better prepare for what could come in the future. I wanted to be ready both mentally and physically to be able to show that Irene Guerrero is still left for a while.

Did you look for a quick exit?

I never offered to leave Manchester United, but there were clubs that, seeing the situation I was in, without playing and without opportunities, showed their interest. I had two years of contract and therefore whoever wanted me had to assume a transfer, so among the clubs that appeared I think I chose the best option. The personal proposal and the sports project was why I ended up deciding on America.

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What I am getting out of this!

1. Manchester United got a transfer fee for her, which has never been acknowledged anywhere and we let her walk to the team she liked.
2. A new player was injured for 4 months and then was not shoehorned into the starting 11 in the most important part of the season with the managers job on the line.

I dont begrudge Skinner for not wanting to "play in" a new player in the last couple of months of the season that just returned from injury when his job clearly was on the line. He trusted his veterans and rode them the season out.

If Irene would play somebody else would get little to not game time and sing a similar tune. This is the kind of stuff that literally happens at every club all the time.

Am I happy about it? Nope, but to speak about the players career being ruined by Skinner is way overboard. In that case every player thats benched by their coaches and are unhappy because of it is having their career ruined by a coach,and that is a natural thing that happens in football. Every player can not play, somebody has to be on the bench and be 2nd or 3rd selection.

Only thing I would change was not playing Zelem 3 times in 6 days during the fall, but during this time Irene was out with an injury, so would be unable to get more playing time regardless.

I think most people question Skinners tactical ability at times, but I also think there should be balance and this "Skinner ruined players careers" needs to stop, its possible to be critical of the coach without resorting to hyperbole.

This is not a defense of Skinner per se as I have no idea what Irene has done after she left, she has not taken back her place in the Spanish national team, that much I know.

Btw, she played a whopping 5% of Spains minutes in the world cup - so the spain teams physio played a bigger role to that team than Irene, thats some important context.
 
I don't think we ruined her - she's happy in her new team. It's always hard when a new player gets injured to make them feel like they belong, the trouble at United has been we've done the same thing with new players who aren't injured.

"Winning team stays on" isn't an unreasonable management stance - it's sticking to that when the team aren't winning that looks lazy and unimaginative.

He's a manager who talks about players adapting and learning, but he has shown little indication of doing the same.

It looks like that adaptation doesn't occur in our training - we look more like a collection of players than a team as time goes on. Subs happen to a formula and it's not one that integrates new starters.

Managing the squad is s management job and so is player morale - but it's clearly not a Skinner thing. No big deal if someone else is there to do it, but we don't seem to have that.

Ultimately it's not about Irene, except in as much as it's how she was left feeling. It's interesting because she's not the first to say something of the sort, she's just unusually explicit about how it felt.