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Nah, not buying it, Nolan would've been far more ambiguous if that was the case.

He should have just ended it before he woke up though, the rest of that shit was needless.
I'm surprised at the responses here, I thought it was blatantly ambiguous, and the fact they'd discussed what you see after death quite heavily during the film (with Damon's character actually clearly asking him what he was seeing at some point) makes it very plausible in my mind. Also the fact that the film is meant to be scientifically accurate doesn't really negate that they could've been going for this.
So why didn't he see both of them?
Cos he doesn't love his son, obviously.
 
When he woke up in the hospital in Cooper station, did anyone else get a sudden jolt that the entire movie was all a dream, starting from the crash Cooper has at the star of the movie?:nervous: I had an "Oh ffs not this!" moment just when that hospital scene started.
 
I'm surprised at the responses here, I thought it was blatantly ambiguous, and the fact they'd discussed what you see after death quite heavily during the film (with Damon's character actually clearly asking him what he was seeing at some point) makes it very plausible in my mind. Also the fact that the film is meant to be scientifically accurate doesn't really negate that they could've been going for this.

Cos he doesn't love his son, obviously.

Then they should've made that less ambiguous by having him fast forward all his sons messages from Earth.

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When he woke up in the hospital in Cooper station, did anyone else get a sudden jolt that the entire movie was all a dream, starting from the crash Cooper has at the star of the movie?:nervous: I had an "Oh ffs not this!" moment just when that hospital scene started.

Haha. Yeah I did too.
 
There were many indications throughout the film that it could be exactly that, a lot of dialogue about what you see just before you die, etc.

Surely he would have seen his daughter as he knew her then not as a 100 year old woman. And surely her would also have seen his son. I'm not buying the he's dead line.
 
Well... I'm not especially selling it, I just think it's a plausible interpretation of the last part of the film. And it makes it more enjoyable, imo.
 
Pretty much the entirety of the second planet was unnecessary, really, although it was probably one of the more entertaining parts of the film, it was clearly there for the action scenes alone because without them the film would've had none at all after the first planet, and Nolan always seems to like a batshit antagonist.

Oh btw, altered the title so no spoiler tags anymore. I have a feeling the film with get lots of discussion.
Why was in unnecessary? You wanted them to pick have written it differently and pick the Edwards planet and that way stopped there and nothing more really happening in the movie?
 
Me too - no idea at all - it was completely muffled and unintelligible.
I watched it with subtitles. He just mumbled that he was sorry over and over and that he was a fraud. Then finished with the first line of his poem and died.
 
Completely agree with this post. I loved Memento and The Prestige is likely in my top 20 movies of all time. But since then, Nolan has gone full Spielberg. Not neccesarily bad (I like Spielberg movies a lot) and still he's one of the best directors of his time (and I am very interested on his movies) but I just hink that he could have been so much more. Maybe not commercially, but he's very talented and could have been the modern Kubrick. He chose not, which is a shame!



The antagonist to begin with, completely unnecesary.

Anne Hathaway talking about love was cheesy as feck.

The time travel, I hate that shit. It doesn't make sense, it is paradoxal and it is scientifically wrong. Yeah, people from the future made a wormhole to save the mankind (in order to save themselves because if humankind dies, then they die too). Question, how on earth they managed to go in the future in the first place?! Btw, they totally forgot to give any instruction whatsoever to us.

I am not sure that I liked the ghost part. I predicted that he's the ghost more than an hour before it happened, but still it felt a bit stupid IMO. However, that was part of the plot, so can't complain much about that.

Getting data from within the singulairty in order to help Jessica Chastain to solve the formula is another weird part. And of course, McConoughey sending the NASA coordinates to McConaughey is again paradoxal. Yes, it is sci-fi and obviously it doesn't have to be entirely accurate, but then again, they apparently planned for the movie to be very accurate scientifically (which wasn't) but in turn it was a lot of nonsense. It was more spacif magic than actually science fiction. Only lightsabers were missing.

It could have been worse though. Apparently Nolan planned to have a part when they would travel faster than the speef of light, but after a lot of arguing with the physician he hired, he changed the mind. If that would have happened, then I would have likely walk away from the cinema
As to the supposed paradox, you can get around it if you deny free will (i.e. it always happens that way and can't happen any other way, though this somewhat detracts from a film's sense of peril and importance), or allow the possibility of parallel universes branching off. I didn't much like it myself but that was more due to the writing of it. I was happy with the science in general though, it's never going to be perfect on something like this and we've actually just had a blockbuster where general relativity was a major plot device, not sure anyone else is capable of that these days.
 
Why was in unnecessary? You wanted them to pick have written it differently and pick the Edwards planet and that way stopped there and nothing more really happening in the movie?
No, I enjoyed it, but it definitely didn't need to be there. They clearly put it in to add action to the middle acts.
 
As to the supposed paradox, you can get around it if you deny free will (i.e. it always happens that way and can't happen any other way, though this somewhat detracts from a film's sense of peril and importance), or allow the possibility of parallel universes branching off. I didn't much like it myself but that was more due to the writing of it. I was happy with the science in general though, it's never going to be perfect on something like this and we've actually just had a blockbuster where general relativity was a major plot device, not sure anyone else is capable of that these days.
I don't get what free will (or the lack of it) can change here. The point of sending something in the past (to save yourself, or in this case to save humankind because if they get destroyed, so do the humans on the future) is absolute nonsense. It is paradoxal and shouldn't be ever used. The moment when you do that in the movie, it is the time to also introduce faster than light traveling and lightsabers. It is the moment when the movies changes from sci-fi to space magic.
 
The point of sending something in the past (to save yourself, or in this case to save humankind because if they get destroyed, so do the humans on the future) is absolute nonsense. It is paradoxal and shouldn't be ever used.

Exactly, it's quite moronic really, considering the amount of research they reportedly put into the film. Even the most unaccomplished astrophysicists know that time travel in theory isn't linear. In quantum theory, we can have multiple states of any matter of dimension. eg. an electron can exist simultaneously in different orbits. Even if you do change the past, it won't have any effect in your dimension because travelling through a wormhole creates a new crease in time space, ie we're only creating a parallel universe. So even if you save humanity by travelling in time, the ones in your initial version of the universe are still dead.
 
It's like grandfather paradox. A time traveler goes back in time and kills his grand dad. As result, time traveler is never born but then who killed his grand dad? A paradox.

One theoretical solution to the problem is the self-consistency principle. No matter what Time traveler does he cannot change the past, the time' ll fix itself. It's true for the movie, Cooper or 5 dimensions being created a loop that human'll eventually have to save themselves from extinction.

It isn't new, whenever you believe in the theory is another story but remember our perception of spacetime is very limited..Like hundreds year ago, people thought earth is plat.
 
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Exactly, it's quite moronic really, considering the amount of research they reportedly put into the film. Even the most unaccomplished astrophysicists know that time travel in theory isn't linear. In quantum theory, we can have multiple states of any matter of dimension. eg. an electron can exist simultaneously in different orbits. Even if you do change the past, it won't have any effect in your dimension because travelling through a wormhole creates a new crease in time space, ie we're only creating a parallel universe. So even if you save humanity by travelling in time, the ones in your initial version of the universe are still dead.

Exactly! I had the same problem with Looper, but then again, the expectations weren't high for Looper and nonsense was something to be expected here.

When they do time travel, at-least do it somehow metaphysically (like Donnie Darko) and don't try to explain it on a plausible scientific way, because unless the watcher hasn't had high school level of physics education (or more) it will look stupid to him.

It's like grandfather paradox. A time traveler goes back in time and kill his grand dad. As result, time traveler is never born but then who killed his grand dad? A paradox.

One theoretical solution to a problem is the self-consistency principle. No matter what Time traveler does he cannot change the past, the time' ll fix itself. It's true for the movie, Cooper or 5 dimensions being created a loop that human'll eventually have to save themselves from extinction.

It isn't new, whenever you believe in the theory is another story.
An another better theoritical solution is that going back in the past is impossible. Well, you can go back if you travel faster than light, but then again it is impossible to travel faster than light.

Also (from what I know from modern phycis), with a wormhole you can't go back in time. I am not sure how, but I think that radiation plays a role why that is impossible.
 
An another better theoritical solution is that going back in the past is impossible. Well, you can go back if you travel faster than light, but then again it is impossible to travel faster than light.

Also (from what I know from modern phycis), with a wormhole you can't go back in time. I am not sure how, but I think that radiation plays a role why that is impossible.
Theories are what they are, the possibilities. Until someone proves it wrong (by experiment or math ) it's always possible.

Exactly, it's quite moronic really, considering the amount of research they reportedly put into the film. Even the most unaccomplished astrophysicists know that time travel in theory isn't linear. In quantum theory, we can have multiple states of any matter of dimension. eg. an electron can exist simultaneously in different orbits. Even if you do change the past, it won't have any effect in your dimension because travelling through a wormhole creates a new crease in time space, ie we're only creating a parallel universe. So even if you save humanity by travelling in time, the ones in your initial version of the universe are still dead.
Well, this movie is Theory of Relativity for major audiences so they went with that route. Also no one can tell which one is the theory of everything yet. General Relativity and quantum theory are both right and wrong.
 
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Nah, the 5th dimension is definitely crap. Unlike most major quantum theories - there is 0 empirical evidence to support the KK theory to date and it's merely a deus ex machina to explain what can't be explained by the current level of our math. In this movie's case it's effect without causality. Also why stop there, let's invent a million dimensions to explain every absurdity that can't be explained by science without having to prove anything ?
 
Neil deGrasse Tyson had a bunch of tweets about the movie, but didn't say anything about it being not scientifically true at any part or it being nonsense like some of you on here seem to be saying. Sure, some people might think its bollocks and choose not to believe it, but that's just your opinion really. I don't think that whole 5th dimension part is real in any way, but that Physicist who helped Nolan out with the movie clearly had a different opinion. So basically, I don't think it's entirely fair to say it's nonsense when there are other physicists who share the movies view and they've almost definitely studied that topic a lot more then anyone on here.
 
Neil deGrasse Tyson

Err you do know he's a media-whore physics "guru" who writes on pop science and appears on radio and TV shows with little to no actual credibility in scientific circles and has been known to fabricate data in the past ? Like that other media "scientist" Michio Kaku, who last published a peer reviewed journal almost 15 year ago..
 
Nah, the 5th dimension is definitely crap. Unlike most major quantum theories - there is 0 empirical evidence to support the KK theory to date and it's merely a deus ex machina to explain what can't be explained by the current level of our math. In this movie's case it's effect without causality. Also why stop there, let's invent a million dimensions to explain every absurdity that can't be explained by science without having to prove anything ?
Not according to M-theory, although it doesn't neccesarily needs to be a 'space' dimension.

Neil deGrasse Tyson had a bunch of tweets about the movie, but didn't say anything about it being not scientifically true at any part or it being nonsense like some of you on here seem to be saying. Sure, some people might think its bollocks and choose not to believe it, but that's just your opinion really. I don't think that whole 5th dimension part is real in any way, but that Physicist who helped Nolan out with the movie clearly had a different opinion. So basically, I don't think it's entirely fair to say it's nonsense when there are other physicists who share the movies view and they've almost definitely studied that topic a lot more then anyone on here.

To be fair, Michio Kaku liked Lucy, which was scientifically terrible.

The physician adviced Nolan, put he didn't decide things. At some cases he made Nolan change some things (like not travelling faster than light) but not when it come to plot devices, which obviousy ' the wormhole send from humans of future, to save humans of this time, in order to save humans of future' was.
 
Err you do know he's a media-whore physics "guru" who writes on pop science and appears on radio and TV shows with little to no actual credibility in scientific circles and has been known to fabricate data in the past ? Like that other media "scientist" Michio Kaku, who last published a peer reviewed journal almost 15 year ago..
To be fair I don't really follow most of that stuff, just know basic first year of uni level physics and just saw his stuff get retweeted. Don't really know much about him apart from him being a famous physicist.
 
Ever had a dream that prevented you from doing something in the future ? Maybe it already changed the course and gravity of events didn't or won't pull you towards that situation. How would you know ? How did your brain decoded that message ?

I'm not even sure if I liked the movie but I definitely had a trip with these paradoxes and 'movie magic'. Movie is programming the watchers to ask many questions and itself is just an impression... fully succeeds at that. Science also ask questions before it goes somewhere.

Can science be fun with dose of creativity ? Ask inventors.
 
Not according to M-theory, although it doesn't neccesarily needs to be a 'space' dimension.

Yeah but it's just electromagnetism and gravitation.
 
I don't get what free will (or the lack of it) can change here. The point of sending something in the past (to save yourself, or in this case to save humankind because if they get destroyed, so do the humans on the future) is absolute nonsense. It is paradoxal and shouldn't be ever used. The moment when you do that in the movie, it is the time to also introduce faster than light traveling and lightsabers. It is the moment when the movies changes from sci-fi to space magic.
A characteristic of the "five dimensional beings" mentioned in the film (from what I remember, at least) is that they experience time as a physical dimension that can be explored, it's not something that runs forward or backwards to their perceptions. If a universe is such that the arrow of time doesn't necessitate that things happen one after the other, but rather simultaneously, then it would follow that some being in this aforementioned extra dimension could do something in the "past" resulting in their existence, as that event always happened that way and always will. feck knows if I violated several unbreakable physical laws there but I read a lot of Robert Heinlein.

Also, if Kip Thorne's an advocate of this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_timelike_curve - then he'd seem to endorse the (however faint) plausibility of Interstellar's causality violations:
If [Closed Timelike Curves] exist, their existence would seem to imply at least the theoretical possibility of time travel backwards in time, raising the spectre of the grandfather paradox, although the Novikov self-consistency principle seems to show that such paradoxes could be avoided.

It's far-fetched and seems to take a dump on the face of logic, but if 2001 can be rigidly observant of scientific laws for the majority of its run-time before having Bowman fall inside a black bit of rock, fall outside of time and space before being spat out as a floating space-baby, we may as well let Nolan off on this one.
 
I watched it with subtitles. He just mumbled that he was sorry over and over and that he was a fraud. Then finished with the first line of his poem and died.

Did your subtitles tell you what the old-woman version of Murph was saying when she was talking to Coop? Because I didn't catch a word of that part.
 
Did your subtitles tell you what the old-woman version of Murph was saying when she was talking to Coop? Because I didn't catch a word of that part.
From memory, it was something like a parent shouldn't have to see their child die, go to Anne Hathoway (forget her movie name), she's stranded alone on some random planet but they've been getting the signals from her that it's a good planet. Or something along those lines.
 
Are we ever explicity told that time on Hathaway's planet is a shitload slower than earth or anything? Or are we just supposed to assume it?

Also I get that Murph was able to complete the equation but they still don't have a fecking planet to go to do they, so why has nobody before this point tried to fecking go to Hathway's planet?
 
Are we ever explicity told that time on Hathaway's planet is a shitload slower than earth or anything? Or are we just supposed to assume it?

Also I get that Murph was able to complete the equation but they still don't have a fecking planet to go to do they, so why has nobody before this point tried to fecking go to Hathway's planet?

I assume she must have used the cold sleep or something like that.

And if Murphy solved the equation, it'll probably allow them to fix the dying earth (by the end scene where they build walls to live on etc). And 60 years onwards, the technology would be more than able to go to Brand's planet, they did it before the gravity stuff afterall
 
From memory, it was something like a parent shouldn't have to see their child die, go to Anne Hathoway (forget her movie name), she's stranded alone on some random planet but they've been getting the signals from her that it's a good planet. Or something along those lines.

It's just murph way to say that go on, live your life.

And Brand was last heading to the planet as agreed, so she'll probably be there if she's alive. With the time difference, deep sleep and all that
 
I assume she must have used the cold sleep or something like that.

And if Murphy solved the equation, it'll probably allow them to fix the dying earth (by the end scene where they build walls to live on etc). And 60 years onwards, the technology would be more than able to go to Brand's planet, they did it before the gravity stuff afterall
that wasn't his equation though, his equation was about getting that giant fecker of a space station into the sky using gravity and take the remaining humans off earth with them. If we're supposed to just assume the equation magically solved the blight then that's stupid.
 
I assume she must have used the cold sleep or something like that.

And if Murphy solved the equation, it'll probably allow them to fix the dying earth (by the end scene where they build walls to live on etc). And 60 years onwards, the technology would be more than able to go to Brand's planet, they did it before the gravity stuff afterall

The equation just made possible for that giant space station to leave Earth, not fix the dying Earth. No idea, why they were still staying there, instead of going to Anne Hathaway's planet. Something that McCoughney did instantly.

I'll assume that the time on that planet goes much slower than on Earth (similarily to the planet near) cause it was near a black hole, so the planet rotates much more faster. So, I guess that when McCougnhey reaches Hathaway (hopefully never cause an Interstellar 2 would be stupid) she would be as young as him, regardless that there have passed 70 years or so.
 
Like I said before this movie isn't documentary, it's General Relativity for major audiences, not pure fiction. Writers didn't just pull shit out of their asses but it never means to be 100% scientifically accurate. Sure, there are technical arguments involved giving mathematical conditions showing where those stuff would fail to work but that would be too technical for a sci-fi movie.

The whole point is General Relativity supports these ideas, the possibilities that might work under some certain conditions. Like jumping into a Kerr Black hole, avoids the singularity and transports to another region.
An observer crossing the event horizon of a non-rotating (Schwarzschild) black hole cannot avoid the central singularity, which lies in the future word line of everything within the horizon. Thus one cannot avoid spaghettification by the tidal forces of the central singularity.

This is not necessarily true with a Kerr black hole. An observer falling into a Kerr black hole may be able to avoid the central singularity by making clever use of the inner event horizon associated with this class of black hole. This makes it possible for the Kerr black hole to act as a sort of wormhole, possibly even a traversable wormhole.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_singularity

It's like someone makes a blindfolded basketball shot from 100 ft away. It's bullshit (because I made it up) but it does not violate Newton Laws
 
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that wasn't his equation though, his equation was about getting that giant fecker of a space station into the sky using gravity and take the remaining humans off earth with them. If we're supposed to just assume the equation magically solved the blight then that's stupid.

Michael Caine already solved that, that's not what they need aparrently, I'm not sure what coop was sharing, but that allows Murph to solve earth's problem, we'll just have to take it as a given.
 
The equation just made possible for that giant space station to leave Earth, not fix the dying Earth. No idea, why they were still staying there, instead of going to Anne Hathaway's planet. Something that McCoughney did instantly.

I'll assume that the time on that planet goes much slower than on Earth (similarily to the planet near) cause it was near a black hole, so the planet rotates much more faster. So, I guess that when McCougnhey reaches Hathaway (hopefully never cause an Interstellar 2 would be stupid) she would be as young as him, regardless that there have passed 70 years or so.

Didn't coop woke up in Saturn or something? Probably they indeed have moved
 
Michael Caine already solved that, that's not what they need aparrently, I'm not sure what coop was sharing, but that allows Murph to solve earth's problem, we'll just have to take it as a given.
:lol: did you actually watch the film? Caine finished his equation years ago, the equation proved that his theory wasn't possible. Hence why Option A was never a feasible one and he 'tricked' them.

Murph is the one who then managed to finish it correctly using the information Coop gave her from inside the black hole.