This is a fallacy.
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This is a fallacy.
If you were a manager you'd be out of your job within a day.
Don't care about goals? The feck? You do know that's eventually how you win games right?
And Ruud was our best player when he was here.
And Ronaldo isn't a poacher.
You're whole post is full of holes.
Just a month ago the story was that Iniesta had a poor season, that's why even with Messi's heroics Barca could not win the league/CL. And now he is the second bes player in the world?
Goals are not everything but then people give Messi so many plaudits for breaking the all time record for goals in single season. Iniesta is one of those players who always look good due to his playing style but productivity is very important for a footballer. Iniesta is very productive for Barca even without goals since he helps them dominate MF. But he also gets into the final third a lot and needs to convert more to get the tag of best in the world. If Messi just kep dribbling past everyone and not finish chances, he won't be as good as he is now.
Goals are not everything but then people give Messi so many plaudits for breaking the all time record for goals in single season. Iniesta is one of those players who always look good due to his playing style but productivity is very important for a footballer. Iniesta is very productive for Barca even without goals since he helps them dominate MF. But he also gets into the final third a lot and needs to convert more to get the tag of best in the world. If Messi just kep dribbling past everyone and not finish chances, he won't be as good as he is now.
And the midfield maestro will always look like a dick without the forward making runs and opening up space for him.
It's a fashionable opinion, it'll change soon you'll see.
He is very highly thought of throughout Europe's elite midfielders.
I tend to agree with the notion of this post but is his ball control really like nothing you have seen? Don't get me wrong I think he is sublime on the ball but assuming you mean dribbling it is very hard to look past Messi. The ball seems glued to his feet most of the time. as it also did with Ronaldinho, Fat Ron and Maradona before him
It's all about context. I didn't write "goals don't matter in football". I wrote "I don't care about goals" when we we talked about comparing the greatness of 2 players. You also don't win games with 11 goalscorers on the pitch. In fact it's between 0 and 1 strikers nowadays. If you're bold, you play 2 upfront. So why give all credit just to the one upfront who's finishing the moves?
Well, if that's true, then Scholes has to be either overrated or underrated even by his own fans. Because when Xavi played alongside Eto'o, Henry, Torres and David Villa (who are all RvN caliber or even superior), he was clearly recognised as the more important, more influental and better player by fans and pundits alike. Both him and Iniesta finished above Eto'o in the 2009 Ballon d'Or votings when Eto'o had just played his best ever season, scoring 52 goals for club and country, including a goal in the CL final.
The best poacher in the world.
Back to the main topic:
3 Champions Leagues
1 WC
2 Eurocups
And he just turned 28. I'm sure once Xavi steps down, he'll take even more responsibilities and take his game to yet another level.
He's getting married today - to his daughter's mum, Anna Ortiz, who he's been dating for the last few years.
700 guests including the Barca players, Guardiola, Van Gaal, Casillas etc at the Castillo de Tamarit, which overlooks the Med.
Awwww, bless
That's a lot of toasters...
Perhaps, I guess with dribbling guys like Maradona and Messi stick out for their mazy runs, but with Iniesta his, let's say.. dribbling technique in general just seems so refined. I'd say Ronaldinho is more akin to his dribbling than the other two, and I'd even say Luis Suarez is a good example in the Premier League of a similar skill.
Anyway it's splitting hairs, at the end of the day it probably just comes down to a nonsensical reason why I seem to put Iniesta higher than anyone I've seen, he's just majestic!
He's getting married today - to his daughter's mum, Anna Ortiz, who he's been dating for the last few years.
700 guests including the Barca players, Guardiola, Van Gaal, Casillas etc at the Castillo de Tamarit, which overlooks the Med.
Awwww, bless
For some reason I read these backwards at first and got very worried.
Changes all the time when you look purely at one seasons performance. Everyone said Ronaldo was the best in the world after 3 goals in 4 games for Portugal during the euros.
Really? I didn't see a lot of that. Some were saying that if he won it for them he would deserve the Ballon D'Or, but I didn't see any sensible posters trying to claim he was better than Messi. Even if he'd won the Euros for Portugal I think most would still accept that Messi is comfortably the better player.
there was a debate on the bbc sports website at the time. Died down after he spent a match in Sergio Ramos's's's's back pocket.
Anyway, i rate Iniesta based on his ability and how he can play in all areas (midfield/wide/forward), he can hurt you from anywhere, he can play the neat and tidy, he rarely gives it away, he makes correct decisions and he also has serious magic. He has made the difference on the big occasions many times and can produce flawless football.
I like footballers that ooze ability and class for 90mins, more than the palyers who pop up and score goals. Goal scoring is a gift no doubt and the most important thing in football is scoring goals but from a purely footballing perspective (touch, control, dribbling, passing, vision, creation) Iniesta is special.
I only put Messi ahead of him because Messi also has these attributes but also his insane productivity gives him the edge.
but anyway, this is just my opinion, i dont expect many people to agree because stats and goals are what grabs headlines but I don't subscribe to this. A great footballer is just that, that's why Gerd Muller (arguably the greatest goal scorer ever) is'nt mentioned in the same breath as Beckenbaur or Cruyff (using others from the era in europe in direct competition) despite obviously having his records with goals.
For the record i think Ronaldo is a phenomenon but on a purely footballing level i live for the Iniestas of the world.
and i stress this is just my opinion.
I concur with you entirely Frankly, eloquently put.
Good post. I have to agree with all of that unfortunately, even as a Madrid supporter.
Here's one for people who are fixated on stats. A good measurement of how much salt you take it with.
Good post.
Its a pleasure watching him play. One of my favorite footballers. Such class..
Some of the skill in that...I can understand people when they say there is something about Iniesta that even Messi does not have. I don't know what it is or even if it makes him better in some way, but there's just a beauty or a finesse to his game perhaps that makes him unique.
Second best player in the world for me. Amazing once again tonight.
Not one of the best midfielders to ever play the game a fellow poster told me earlier today.
Someone should report him for using superglue on his laces
He's beyond a footballer.He's a an artist, a poet.
made me chuckle.
Stole the show in my opinion.
He's like Roger Federer.
edit: Del Bosque agrees with me:
“Andres is playing very well. Technically he is perfect and he plays so naturally, almost without effort,” Del Bosque told RAC1. “It's like when [Roger] Federer plays tennis, he barely sweats. Iniesta [appears as if he] makes no effort to play. It's extraordinary that he is ours."
edit: Del Bosque agrees with me:
“Andres is playing very well. Technically he is perfect and he plays so naturally, almost without effort,” Del Bosque told RAC1. “It's like when [Roger] Federer plays tennis, he barely sweats. Iniesta [appears as if he] makes no effort to play. It's extraordinary that he is ours."
As long as hes kept in the centre now which is what Tito looks like he will do.
It always pissed me off that United had to face Xavi/Iniesta whilst Iniesta was put on the wing against Chelsea. :S
It always pissed me off that United had to face Xavi/Iniesta whilst Iniesta was put on the wing against Chelsea. :S
Really stupid limiting the involvement of the 3rd¬ best player in the world by shunting him on to the wing. He could do a job at RB, but play the fecker central and he'll win you plenty of games!
I think he's the second best player in the world.
He gets the hyperbole because he's an entertainer though with his amazing tight turns. I'm just glad that in the last few years he started to produce in the final third as often as a player of his talent should. Before that it was entertainment but not always effectiveness.
He's absolutely class. He had a very good Euros, but he's miles better for Barcelona than he is for Spain (which isn't to say he isn't great for Spain either). Awesome tonight.
Hopefully our Shinji will be the next Iniesta. Even a poor mans Iniesta
Majestic, definitely my favourite non-United player.
Pretty sure he is just a footballer
Oh come on, really?
He's a brilliant player, but the hyperbole gets to me at times
Don't ruin the moment please ..
Always seems to do it in the big games. He's probably the big game player in the world right now, he is just so consistently amazing in games like these
Well, he was immense but mostly in that 2nd half. Several misplaced passes in that 1st half and Xavi to have bailed him out - but in the 2nd, it was all Iniesta
Xavi was very good in the first half.That through pass to Alves
That run Iniesta made to make the goal