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Would any of you mods, Blythy especially, care to explain why I have incurred in your own words an "infaction" for my location address.

By this I mean how could you possibly reach the conclusion that it was offensive in the context that most of the people who post on this forum are older than 13 and are highly unlikely to be offended by a childish joke.

I would also like you to explain why you couldn't just handle the situation like an adult instead of a child and just PM me to say change it, instead of feeling the need to issue an immediate penalty.

Yours pisssed-offly BAMSOLA.

PS I like the tag line.
 
What's going on here? Give us a link Rich.
 
What's going on here? Give us a link Rich.

''Balls deep in your momma'' as a location line, interests etc. is something I for one find unnecessary. It was removed and an infraction point for offensive behaviour was given.
 
''Balls deep in your momma'' as a location line, interests etc. is something I for one find unnecessary. It was removed and an infraction point for offensive behaviour was given.

So we're no longer in an adult environment? Are their no threads around here disgusing sex in graphic detail? Have you yourself not contributed to them?

Why don't you climb down off you're sanctiminous little soapbox and just admit that you oversteped the mark by issuing a penalty for a lame joke that nobody with a mental age above 13 could possibly find offensive!!!!!

Incidentally here are two other location replies currently being used:

"you sir, are the sythilitic cockbiscuit son of a hamster rimmer"

"swimming next to a tide of shite"

Both of these feature obscenities, have you issued them with a penalty?

And here a tagline that you mods administered: "gorilla rimmer"

How can my location reply be offensive whilst you yourself except all of the above?
 
It is a judgement call and he made one. Live with it.

And the hamster rimmer one is hilarious*

* Because I coined the phrase.
 
Not always.

But humour helps you get away with saying stuff.

Big Andy can say almost anything and get away with it because he is very funny. BaLbOa less so.

For obvious reasons.
 
You also seem to be under the mistaken impression that this is a discussion.

It is just a 1 point infraction after all.
 
Take it up with Blythy by PM if you want to discuss it further. If you must.
 
So we're no longer in an adult environment? Are their no threads around here disgusing sex in graphic detail? Have you yourself not contributed to them?
Show me these threads, I'll deal with them. This site is run by a team of moderators - not just me - each have their own take on things. Mine is less tolerant of abusive behaviour than say GB's.

Why don't you climb down off you're sanctiminous little soapbox and just admit that you oversteped the mark by issuing a penalty for a lame joke that nobody with a mental age above 13 could possibly find offensive!!!!!
Nobody with a mental age above 13 would find ''balls deep in your momma'' funny either. I haven't over-stepped the mark, we issued a warning weeks ago about overly abusive language/behaviour. Insinuating what you did - in my book - is overly abusive. You we're given the appropriate infraction (1 point - 5 is a ban...)


Incidentally here are two other location replies currently being used:

"you sir, are the sythilitic cockbiscuit son of a hamster rimmer"

"swimming next to a tide of shite"

Both of these feature obscenities, have you issued them with a penalty?
World's apart from yours if you ask me.

And here a tagline that you mods administered: "gorilla rimmer"
Nothing to do with me, but again, ''hanging out of your mother'' is a different league if you ask me.
 
Take it up with Blythy by PM if you want to discuss it further. If you must.
I'd rather do it here, it seems some people haven't quite got the message on offensive language/behaviour yet.
 
Show me these threads, I'll deal with them. This site is run by a team of moderators - not just me - each have their own take on things. Mine is less tolerant of abusive behaviour than say GB's.

https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=102633&highlight=
https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=57187&highlight=
https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=40833&highlight=

All threads that you yourself have contributed toward. And the point of me showing you them isn't so that you can take action. Its in the somewhat vain hope that you might actually be able to behave like an adult and realise that a stupid joke that i've admitted is inane isn't worthy of you issuing a penalty. Simply PM me to ask me to change it and I would have.

Thats how adults communicate.

Nobody with a mental age above 13 would find ''balls deep in your momma'' funny either. I haven't over-stepped the mark, we issued a warning weeks ago about overly abusive language/behaviour. Insinuating what you did - in my book - is overly abusive. You we're given the appropriate infraction (1 point - 5 is a ban...)

You have overstepped the mark because you(the mods) continue to issue people with taglines such as "uncle fecker" please explain to me how that is not both childish and overly abusive.

And all this ignores the fact that you've missed the point of the inane joke that I made which was that it's something that 12 year old child would say and i'm not 12 so the joke is at my expense.

It's also no use you saying you didn't issue the taglines i'm refering to as you moderate the forum alongside the rest of the mods, if you don't want offensive terms used then you should all set a better example.


World's apart from yours if you ask me.
Nothing to do with me, but again, ''hanging out of your mother'' is a different league if you ask me.

Again we go back to the term "uncle fecker" and the threads that you have contributed toward. Also the term I used was "balls deep in your momma" so you could at least try and get that part right.

I'm obviously not american and so don't use the term "momma" in everyday conversation, the comment is quite simply based on the type of "YO MOMMA" jokes that you'll find in this thread:

https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=158958

Simple childish humour for the sake of it, not addressed to any body in particular, not personally offensive and not abusive just simple childish humour.

So put simply you have overstepped the mark by issuing a penalty, I've had the same location description for 3-4 months before you took offence. Did it ever occur to you that I might not have had time to read your rule change based on the fact that I do understand what constitutes reasonable behaviour online and i've never had any serious run-ins with anybody on this forum.

Its not the penalty it's the principle behind it, im an adult and I like to be treated like one if I do something that you don't agree with let me know by PM and i'll sort-it. I've never had any warning before from mods about my behaviour so I don't see how you have the right to issue me with a penalty for something so small. My joke was not abusive and not personally offensive to anybody with an understanding of modern humour.
 
I find it funny that somebody that writes 'balls deep in your momma' as a location can question the childishness of others.

I do however feel that there are double standards here. nobody appears to be overly offended by BAMSOLA's comment whilst Counter is offended by his tagline.

Just kiss and make up you pair of rentboys.
 
https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=102633&highlight=
https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=57187&highlight=
https://www.redcafe.net/showthread.php?t=40833&highlight=

All threads that you yourself have contributed toward. And the point of me showing you them isn't so that you can take action.
I have only recently been re-instated as a mod - those threads all pre-date this both of my 'modship reigns'.

Its in the somewhat vain hope that you might actually be able to behave like an adult and realise that a stupid joke that i've admitted is inane isn't worthy of you issuing a penalty. Simply PM me to ask me to change it and I would have.

Thats how adults communicate.
It was, and I stand by it.


You have overstepped the mark because you(the mods) continue to issue people with taglines such as "uncle fecker" please explain to me how that is not both childish and overly abusive.
It would be very hypocritical of me to install such a tagline. As mentioned, each mod has their own level of tolerance. Mine is lower that this culprit obviously.


So put simply you have overstepped the mark by issuing a penalty, I've had the same location description for 3-4 months before you took offence. Did it ever occur to you that I might not have had time to read your rule change based on the fact that I do understand what constitutes reasonable behaviour online and i've never had any serious run-ins with anybody on this forum.

Its not the penalty it's the principle behind it, im an adult and I like to be treated like one if I do something that you don't agree with let me know by PM and i'll sort-it. I've never had any warning before from mods about my behaviour so I don't see how you have the right to issue me with a penalty for something so small. My joke was not abusive and not personally offensive to anybody with an understanding of modern humour.

I stand by my principles and the infraction stands. It will expire in 9 days...
 
boy, you mods have gotten a lot tougher since 2003.

Bamsola, relax and just get on with it... speaking from experience.
 
Allow me to sum up.

Bamsola: Blythy did the right thing and gave you an infraction in private - it was starting this thread which brought the issue into public domain - it would also have been correct in bringing issues such as these into the open on occasions so other members are able to benefit from the debate and a message is sent out.

As Blythy has already pointed out as moderators we all have differing tolerance levels and opinions on have best to approach certain situations, please remember we only work from basic rules and we simply apply them according to our personal interpretations.
 
Mr thread starter, it's not so much a big deal if it expires in a matter of days you know.

in my view familial insults should be prohibited full stop. Gorilla rimmer sounds stupidly funny but balls deep in yo mama really gr deeply offensive on a personal level.

obscene language relating to someone's mother gr disgusting. Would you have said it to someone in person they'd knock your head off. i would of cu least.

on the contrary were you to call me a gorilla rimmer i'd have pissed moy self laffin. i don't have possession of a gorilla of any sort. lol.

so throw insults and stuff, just keep it mo a humorous level, not literally derogatory by insulting their family.

Just don't make it too personal and you'll be fine.

flippin inconsiderable cock suckers. do you know how long i've had to spend on this thread to read and reply.
 
Mr thread starter, it's not so much a big deal if it expires in a matter of days you know.

in my view familial insults should be prohibited full stop. Gorilla rimmer sounds stupidly funny but balls deep in yo mama really gr deeply offensive on a personal level.

obscene language relating to someone's mother gr disgusting. Would you have said it to someone in person they'd knock your head off. i would of cu least.

on the contrary were you to call me a gorilla rimmer i'd have pissed moy self laffin. i don't have possession of a gorilla of any sort. lol.

so throw insults and stuff, just keep it mo a humorous level, not literally derogatory by insulting their family.

Just don't make it too personal and you'll be fine.

flippin inconsiderable cock suckers. do you know how long i've had to spend on this thread to read and reply.

Gorilla rimmer!
Do you post on tribalfootball often?
 
It used to be all about the football - what happened ? Sad state of affairs if you ask me
 
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Mr thread starter, it's not so much a big deal if it expires in a matter of days you know.

in my view familial insults should be prohibited full stop. Gorilla rimmer sounds stupidly funny but balls deep in yo mama really gr deeply offensive on a personal level.

obscene language relating to someone's mother gr disgusting. Would you have said it to someone in person they'd knock your head off. i would of cu least.

on the contrary were you to call me a gorilla rimmer i'd have pissed moy self laffin. i don't have possession of a gorilla of any sort. lol.

so throw insults and stuff, just keep it mo a humorous level, not literally derogatory by insulting their family.

Just don't make it too personal and you'll be fine.

flippin inconsiderable cock suckers. do you know how long i've had to spend on this thread to read and reply.

I'll reply to you first and formost as you seem to be very interested in sticking your nose In a problem that you don't even seem to have grasped.

The words in question were under my location space and not in reply to a fellow poster, they were not directed at anyone in particular nor were they in fact directed at anyone.

It is the eqivalent of a rude bumper stick, only offensive if you chose to take the meaning as directed personally toward you. As i've said before simple innane humour not intended to be personally offensive to anybody.

I've never had a run-in before with any poster on this forum that couldn't have been solved with a break in posting or a few sensible words in the form of a post.

I've also never had a serious incident with any of the moderators, so why am I not intitled to a simple PM telling me to change the message because others may find it offensive? Why the need for a penalty?

I know full well that the penalty expires in a matter of days but have any of you actually considered the wider implications of a fine for something so innocouous.

literally everybody on this thread uses the term retard to describe other posters, thats a fairly straight forward term which nobody seems to consider offensive yet we all know what a retard actually is and which members of society its used to be used as a term to describe.

There actually used to be a poster on this forum who claimed to work in care homes and registered offense at the use of that term, did the mods do anything then?

What you all have to consider is just how offensive a stupid joke like:

Location: Balls deep in yo momma.

actually is and whether it's actually more offensive than the term retard or the term that alot of the posters around here used to use toward the Glazers, refering to them as the "yids".

I noticed it when I first arrived on this forum and although I haven't seen it for quite some time i'm pretty sure that if one of the more regular posters on this forum who spends more time having banter with the mods than I do used it there would be no response to a deeply rascist term.

All i'm saying is that my situation should have been dealt with in an adult manor and not in the same style as a traffic warden, if i've posted something that might be misconstrued as offensive PM me and tell me to change it, after all no poster on this forum has registered a personal conplaint so why the rush to issue a penalty?

It's not the Penalty that i'm arguing it's the principle. If a fine is issued for this how many other innocuous actions/jokes on this forum could be penalised? If you don't have a somewhat universal standard of judging whats offensive how will anybody know the difference between a joke and genuine offence?
 
boy, you mods have gotten a lot tougher since 2003.

Not really they just seem to pick their targets more carefully.:)

Bamsola, relax and just get on with it... speaking from experience.

Its very good advice and much appreaciated but i'm affraid I can't follow it, I'm not prepared to accept being singled out whilst the moderators break their own rules.

It's simply not acceptable.
 
How exactly do you know that you are being singled out? An infraction is a click of a button next to a post that then sends you a PM. Many people get them, but simply do not make a public fuss over it.
 
I do think that certain moderators have got their moderating priorities arse over tit, but for 1 infraction point I don't think this mission you are on is doing much good for or to anyone.

It's good to here that you thinking along similar lines to myself, especially considering your experiance with such matters.

I'm not trying to create a huge issue or lead a rebellion I'm just asking for them to apply the same standards to me that they apply to themselves.

How can they address a fellow poster as "uncle fecker" whilst I get punished for putting a simple childish joke in my location space. As i've said before the penalty means nothing to me it's the double standard behind it.

I'd like to think that nobody would have to change the terms that they use, except in the case of Racist, sexist or overly abusive posts.

I pride myself on not being an abusive poster and being intelligent enougth to listen to opinions even if they are completely against my own as long as there is some sense of logic behind them. I can however find no logic behind this, hence my problem.
 
Again, a person of your intellect should be applauding Blythy for the stance he is taking trying to clean up the forum. It will eventually lead to a better atmosphere for the likes of you wishing to engage in genuine debates.

I assure you it was not personal. Abuse and language has been on the agenda in moderator forum over the last few days, especially in the football forums.
 
Again, a person of your intellect should be applauding Blythy for the stance he is taking trying to clean up the forum. It will eventually lead to a better atmosphere for the likes of you wishing to engage in genuine debates.

I find it impossible to applaud an action that may lead to posters on this forum having to tip-toe around incase they offend the particular mod who just happens to be moderating on that one occasion when they make an adult joke(or a childish one).

What is it about the atmosphere around here that you're so eagar to change, the reason why people actually post here is because of the previous atmosphere alowed them to express themselves without fear of being chastised like a child for making an adult joke.

You all really are in serious danger of ruining that atmosphere by trying to sanitise it. I may not always agree with my fellow posters views but one thing that I do like is the fact that I can reply back in an unrestrained manor as longer as i'm not Rascist, sexist or overly or personally abusive, why are you trying to ruin that?

I assure you it was not personal. Abuse and language has been on the agenda in moderator forum over the last few days, especially in the football forums.

I don't think that you've personally chosen me to penalise I do however know that as a poster who post frequently but not excessively and doesn't spend as much time bantering with mods as others do I represent an easier target than those who do. You also haven't answered the question of how you can label somebody "uncle fecker" and still claim to be a moral crusade.

Your post and others sheds great light on some recent high level events that have taken place on this forum that I myself wondered about.

Just for the record i'll repeat it again the forum doesn't need cleaning up or changing in terms of the language that we use, what it need is a clamp down on innane posts and annoying posters who lack the intelligence to hold an adult conversation. I think I can safely say i don't fall into any of the above camps, especially seeing as the offence in question was not a post or a reply to one.

If you get rid of the posters who feel the need to take an adult converstion down the pan, whilst allowing everybody else to post in an adult atmosphere without fear of people taking offence at innocuous little incidents such as my own, then you won't here complains from anybody on this forum about how they are treated.

PS: you can also include my new tagline(which I love and don't want changed) as futher evidence of double standards and the futility of your moral crusade.
 
I'm not sure how or why this has reached 40+ posts.

Blythy made a call and has stood by it and that should be the end of it - his decision shouldn't be up for a free for all debate.

It also has to be remembered that Mods are inviduals and to a great extent will also moderate as such....some will be lenient and others stricter.

Live with it.
 
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