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Ineos appointments - Who will they be?
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I would presume Ashworth would be DoF and Mitchell would be Head of Recruitment. A similar combination as what Leipzig had when Mitchell was Head of Recruitment with Rangnick above him as DoF.
In that case, Mitchell would be focused purely on the recruitment side of things, whereas Ashworth would be more the main man that everyone on the football side of the club answers to. DoF's can have very different roles at different clubs, but he likely wouldn't specialise or be highly focused on any one aspect, more focused on making sure he's got the right people in all the roles below him thoughout the main team, the youth teams and the women's team.
Brailsford is the one I'm not sure where he fits. It appears both he and Blanc are going to be on the board, but other than that I'm not sure if he's going to be focused on anything in particular or if he'll be more of an advisory role.
We wouldn't be reworking any circle. Clubs do have different people for these roles, it's just that more often than not one is know as the DOF and the other as the vice DOF or Chief Scout. But if you want exact examples of that structure you can just look at RB Leipzig or even Monaco where Mitchell was the DOF and Stewart the head of recruitment which is nothing else than head of scouting-analytics.
Personally, my hope would be that Blanc and Ratcliffe wouldn't be choosing most of the football people. From what I've read, they are both businessmen rather than football men. Ideally they would hire somebody with proven ability (Ashworth?) in the DoF role, and then that person would basically run the football side of things, hiring people and setting goals. I'd have much more faith in that than I would if Blanc or Ratcliffe were getting more involved in that side. Obviously if the DoF fails to make the required improvements over a decent amount of time they would ultimately answer to Blanc and Ratcliffe, but they shouldn't be too involved.
Phil Neville interim manager
Hopefully we get this part right. Competing over the next decade will be harder than the last. The best chance we have is getting the sporting setup right.
I recently had a dream that his son scored for us on his debut, so this could be happening
Would it not be better to wait and see who they are then? Then discuss them. This thread seems to be the same old guessing game that’s in the other thread
if Jim can pull this off then I’m happy.
On a side note i would piss myself laughing if we sacked Mouthough and brought Ragnick back
That's all internal stuff though. If you have a good structure with good people, they should be able to see what is going on and see the positive plans and work. Maybe that's the case with Ten Hag, no idea. The board has to be strong and confident in their convictions to withstand fan pressure because fan pressure will always come if results aren't there, that is obvious. No fan can say anything about any hire above the manager because none of us can have any clue on what impact this person actually had in their role before. Big name directors like Paul Mitchell or Michael Edwards have good reputations, but no fan really has any clue on if they'd be a good or bad hire as it's all behind the scenes work. The structure is something we won't be able to tell either. He could set it up perfectly but it'll still need 5 years for it to click on the pitch, as even the best recruitment setups can sign wrong players who don't adapt, or they could hire the wrong staff...
Look forward to seeing who we appoint and the effects of it, but people should be prepared for it to not be an instant impact and that wouldn't mean that they are failing or hiring the wrong people or the structure is wrong.
It is guessing to some extent, although I'd say it's educated guessing rather than just pulling random names out of a hat. And it's a topic that is important and interesting enough that I think it's good to have it's own thread.
If this thread breaks down into general discussion, or if the other thread becomes mostly about what positions different people will be in, then it could easily be merged into one or close this one. But for now the other thread is predominantly about the larger picture of Ratcliffe, the Glazers and majority ownership, so this is sufficiently different IMO.
A proper manager ASAP. No washed up dinosaurs or con artists please.
I liked his work at Southhampton with players like Sadio Mane. He has good experience at finding young players in lower leagues that can be brought up. The difference between successful Championship players and successful Premier League is not always skill or technical ability. It is consistency.
I believe Paul Mitchell will be the best at identifying that as well as overseas players.
He also appears to be the first choice, so why deviate from that? Yes, look at other candidates but do not take too long or get your head in a state of flux by continuing to add prospective names to an ever growing list. Be decisive.
Of course there are multiple people in roles throughout clubs, people are specifically talking about the idea of ‘2 DoFs’.
Thanks for the update on the obvious though.
Great way to start a discussion. Enjoy your Boxing Day.
Blanch and Brailsford (Carrington Asthma epidemic incoming)
Then.... a best in class DOF... Ashworth or Mitchell?
Finally, a new manager
Then.... a best in class DOF... Ashworth or Mitchell?
Finally, a new manager
We have tried everything to be honest from tactical pedigree ETH... Old school thinker like LVG... SAF arms in shoulder in Ole... Solid names like Jose they all fail. Something else is beyond the mere manager to fix.
It takes time and sometimes there are no easy fixes. We just have to wait for the next turn of fortune where everything seems to aligned.
Do we have a good board when SAF took over? I dont think so. We praised Fenway group when Klopp is doing well, bow they're just another set of board.
ETH has no tactical pedigree. And yes all our appointments till date have been wrong. Doesn't mean we stick with what's wrong. Clubs normally don't stumble upon geniuses such as Guardiola or Klopp. Even Bayern has changed managers 7/8 times in the last 10 years. What we need to lose is our SAF tinted specs of romanticism. There cannot be and will never be another SAF.
I don't follow. People have mentioned two different position, DOF and head of recruitment, you yourself mentioned 2 roles?
Hire the Genie….3 wishes, no injuries, better style of play and a right foot for Antony
Yet here we are.
Can’t be arsed mate. Let’s just hope the appointments are right in the end and we follow other successful set ups.
From what we are hearing:
Blanc - CEO and in the board of directors.
Brailsford - in the board of directors.
Ashworth/Edwards - director of football.
Mitchell - head of recruitment.
Saying that, I think that outside of the first two, the media are mostly making educated guesses. So wouldn’t be surprised if there is just one football director (instead of two).
You have such a strange attitude. It's perplexing.
You’ve spent your past 2 responses attending to condescends, instead of interacting I’ve bowed out. I’m not sure what else you want from me at this point. If I chose to argue I’ll be argumentative & when I chose to not, it’s perplexing.
I’ve re-read the post that drew your ire, seems pretty straightforward to me. If you head to the takeover thread a few posters were talking about Freedman & Mitchell sharing the role. I’m saying let’s just get competent people in the roles other clubs have instead of needing multiple people for the same jobs. There’s rumours of SjR cutting 100s of jobs.
Saying let’s just hope the right people are hired = perplexing.
According to the Telegraph (briefed by INEOS?), no sporting director expected until next summer. No signings expected in **January and likely to just let ETH get on with it without any snap decisions…
This is the wrong approach, I believe. The standstill in decision-making has had an adverse impact already. There need to be changes instantly, even if they are short-term, because the downward trajectory we are on maybe tougher to reverse the longer we stay on the slippery slope.
**edit: I accidentally wrote summer here at first. Apologies for any confusion caused.
This is the wrong approach, I believe. The standstill in decision-making has had an adverse impact already. There need to be changes instantly, even if they are short-term, because the downward trajectory we are on maybe tougher to reverse the longer we stay on the slippery slope.
**edit: I accidentally wrote summer here at first. Apologies for any confusion caused.
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There was no ire. I responded normally to a post that you made based on the thread where you posted it where no one talked about having two DOFs.
Perhaps the sporting director isn’t immediately available if rumors of going for Ashworth are correct? Yeah, otherwise I’d have liked to see immediate appointments/changes as well. Appointing someone them in the summer might mean we’re headed into that period perhaps not ideally prepared as the DoF would need a bedding in period to settle etc. Oh well, I’m sure they have a plan.
Come on man, there’s being pedantic then there’s this. The fact I didn’t quote a post would allude to the fanbase at large.
I’ll be sure to read your posts with the same lack of nuance & common sense going forward.
I hope not. Would be setting us up for a disastrous season if true.
It's probably just me but this sounds absolutely daft. You stated that the context of your post was something that has nothing to do with this thread, what you suggested is contrary to its context and specifcailly to the OP. But apparently I was supposed to decipher the fact that you were talking about something that you didn't contextualize. Common sense suggests that if you say something in the middle of a thread, the context is the same thread unless you state otherwise which you didn't.
No amount of nuance or common sense can lead anyone to reasonably put your post in the context of a different thread that you didn't mention.
For me it would be ralf ragnick as sporting director after the euros and paul Mitchell as head of recruitment or director of football. As good as Dan is... getting him out of Newcastle is going to be hard and it will take at least 6 months... furthermore, ralf ragnick has way more experience in turning around crisis clubs on a shoe string budget and he already knows the problems of manutd. Him working with paul Mitchell is a well known dynamic duo through out all of Europe. Letting him go was a huge blunder by the glazers. Ralf is so good he can begin doing the job now along with austria preparations and then switch over permanently in the summer
I've wanted Mitchell since his Southampton days. Typical of the poor club management post Fergie, we let him go to Spurs and further.
My last post addresses this directly & should be more than enough to have cleared up the misunderstanding. I’ve explained what I meant. You’ve explained why it was confusing. So now you’re clear & I’ll be sure to caveat my posts more for your convenience going forward.
Here’s the key quotes from the article which are attributed to “an insider with knowledge of INEOS’ plans”… this almost always means that INEOS comms team have briefed the journalist.
This is very concerning if true. It means that INEOS’ assessment of the mood at United is that the fan base is worried about too much drastic change too quickly! This could not be further from the truth! The reason why we hate the structure that is aleady in place is because they’re slow to act or fix problems.
If INEOS wants to get the fanbase onboard, it needs to start implementing changes quickly otherwise it will be seen in the same way as the Glazers, Woodward and Murtough et.al. are!
I think we'll go for Dougie Freedman and in the summer we'll appoint Brendan Rodgers to replace ETH.
You do realize that none of this has anything to do with my convenience? You decided to get pissy because someone didn't read your mind and put your post in the context of a specific post from a different thread that happens to be contrary to this one.
PS:This post contains no ire, just genuine amazement.
Anyone who comes into this current setup will look like a con artist or washed up dinosaur.