Impossible Draft QF - Gio vs Ecstatic

With players at Career peak, who will win this match?


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TEAM GIO
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TEAM ECSTATIC
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TEAM GIO TACTICS
TACTICS:
A 4-2-3-1 built around unmatched midfield control, with a multi-faceted attack filled with world-class forwards and an effective and complementary backline.

ATTACK
The greatest forward in the British football history, Denis Law leads the line - A Ballon d'Or winner who rattled 85 goals in 94 games at his peak, Law is one of the most rounded footballers of all time who combines constant goal threat with world class playmaking, hold-up play and pressing from the front. With the creativity provided by Falcao, Zidane and Kubala Law is guaranteed a host of chances which he is always liable to put away. Stylistically we fancy his movement, technique and aerial ability to be too hot to handle for Ecstatic's centre-backs.



One of the greatest left wingers of all time and mainstay of the Might Magyars, Zoltan Czibor dominated the left flank during the 1950s with his pace and dribbling ability. With his propensity for classic wing-play and ability to hug the touchline, Czibor offers a balance to the side and pin-point crossing ability - he looks set to provide a constant target for Zidane's through balls and we see him providing huge assist potential for Law and Kubala. On the opposite wing is Czibor's Barcelona teammate and the man declared Barcelona's best ever player in 1999, László Kubala, who will support Law from the right and get on the end of Czibor's delivery in the very same way he did at the Nou Camp. With 280 goals in 345 games for Barcelona, Kubala's combination of power, trickery and eye for a goal poses real problems for Moby's backline.

MIDFIELD
The midfield is headed up by the maestro Zinedine Zidane who provides the link to the attack with his supreme technical ability and guaranteed stream of service. He'll be in his element with willing runners and quality ahead while sparking off another creative genius in the centre of midfield.



Behind him a South American tandem of Paulo Roberto Falcão and Nestor Gonçalves provides a technically exquisite and defensively solid platform for the rest of the team. Both players dominated European opposition throughout their careers, with Goncalves the defensive midfield backbone of the great Penarol side that won 9 league titles between 1958 and 1968, three Copa Libertadores wins, two Intercontinental Cup wins (overcoming Eusebio's Benfica and Real Madrid) and the Intercontinental Cup Winners Supercup (defeating Pele's Santos). Falcao requires no introduction and remains the standout midfield playmaker in the pool, with his performances for Brazil in 1982 the stuff of legend, and like Law at Old Trafford he was crowned the King of Rome after he led Roma to their first league title in 40 years.

DEFENCE
In defence Andreas Brehme is one of the greatest full-backs of all time and his ability to control a game from full-back is almost unmatched, he will link up well with Falcao and Kubala ahead of him, while Law will relish his accurate crossing. On the opposite flank, Silvio Marzolini is the best Argentinian left-back of all time and his reading of the game, positioning and anticipation were all world-class. Brehme's West German teammate Hans-Pieter Briegel is one of the most physically impressive specimens to have played the game. He was a huge talisman for Verona, inspiring them to their first ever title, famously man-marking Diego Maradona and scoring a header in the opening game of the Scudetto-winning campaign. He stands next to Carlos Mozer who was blessed with an incredible leap, pace and strength, the big Brazilian was a legend for Benfica and Marseille where he was the defensive lynch-pin of two runner-up European Cup campaigns. Behind him is the Boca and Argentina keeper Antonio Roma who formed an integral part of the watertight Argentina back line of the 1960s.

WHY WE WILL WIN:
  • Too much firepower. Falcao and Zidane overflow with creativity, providing a steady stream of service for the King Law and the Hungary and Barcelona duo Kubala and Czibor.
  • Law's aerial ability should outstrip a fairly small central defensive partnership in the air combined with the back-post bustling runs of Kubala will cause havoc. Brehme is arguably the greatest crosser of any wing back and should provide a healthy supply of service for the Lawman to attack.
  • The grizzly Goncalves is just the sort of pain in the arse that Laudrup won't relish playing against.
  • A pair of top class full-backs who will match up well to Ecstatic's wide men. Marzolini comes in to further strengthen the back line and his conservative nature should help him to keep tabs on Figo. The two-footed Brehme can control the game from the right and his reading of the game should be well suited to dealing with Joya. The athleticism of Briegel and Mozer should fit well against Seeler's agility and movement.
  • Zidane and Falcao look set to get the better of Lazzatti and Tigana in midfield. Lazzatti in particular looks a little soft in this company, crucially in an area where we are especially strong.

TEAM ECSTATIC TACTICS

Striker - SEELER - 1936 - West Germany: 72 caps (43 goals) - 449 Goals/ 549 Games - Ballon d’Or 60: 3rd place
“Uns Uwe” is one of the greatest strikers in the History of the Game: complete forward with a fantastic activity all over the pitch, excellent stats ofc. Šjor Bepo did great videos about him on DailyMotion. This video gives a good overview of his style of player for the posters not familiar with the drafts



LW - JUAN JOYA - 1934 - Peru - 100 goals in 223 games-
One of the greatest South American wingers in the first half 1960s and top legend of Penarol club as one of the most iconic players winning 11 major titles. Complete winger, was a very strong player with top rate acceleration and speed and always showed his skillful dribbling and crossing. He scored around 100 goals in more than 223 games and this could prove his prominent scoring ability. Joya played for Penarol in the highest league until his 35 years old. He also played a game for Uruguay national team in 1965. Right-footed player.

RW - FIGO - 1972 - Portugal: 127 caps (32 goals) - ECL Winner
A Ballon d'Or you know too but you shouldn't forget



Playmaker - Laudrup 92 - Art & Assists & Collective spirit - Denmark : 104 caps (37 goals)
Franz Beckenbauer "Pelé was the best in the 60s, Cruyff in the 70s, Maradona in the 80s and Laudrup in the 90s."
Stoickhov "From more than hundred goals I scored I'm sure that over 50 were assisted by Michael. To play with him was extremely easy."
Romário: "The best player I have ever played with and the 4th best in the history of the game.



DM - LAZATTI - 1915 - Copa America winner - El Pibe de Oro (The Golden Kid) - Boca Junior Ambassador

In the spirit of the draft, great opportunity to present this player who won 10 titles with Boca Juniors, the only Argentine team where he played. Lazzatti's position on the field was central midfielder, being notable for his skills with the ball and elegant style of playing. Argentine: He was part of the squad that won the 1937 Copa América when Argentina beat Brazil by 2-0 in the final at Estadio Gasómetro. Lazzatti was part of the midfield line along with Antonio Sastre and Celestino Martínez. Boca Juniors: Lazzatti formed a memorable midfield line with Carlos Sosa and Natalio Pescia in the squad that won the 1943 and 1944 championships. That team overshadowed River Plate La Máquina, being regarded as one of the best Boca Juniors teams ever.

B2B TIGANA - 1955 - World-class box-to box midfielder
Noted for his great movement, teamwork, pace and tireless stamina. Although Tigana was mainly responsible for his team's defensive duties, he also often ventured forward to create scoring opportunities for his teammates. Played a key role in the Golden era of France in the 80s: WC SF in 1982-1986 and Euro 84 winner




LB - NILTON SANTOS - 1925 - Brazil: 74 caps - WC Winner in 58 and 62 - Botafogo Ambassador
Born in Rio de Janeiro, he was a pioneering attacking left back, being one of the first full backs to make runs down the wing to participate in the offensive game. He was world class both at defending and attacking and possessed very good technique.

LCB - PERFUMO - 1942 - Argentine - Nicknamed El Mariscal
Considered as one of the best Argentine defenders ever. At club level, this robust guy played for Racing, River Plate and Brazilian team Cruzeiro. With the national team, he played the 1966 and 1974 World Cups.

Sweeper - STIELIKE - 1954 - Germany: 42 caps - The German version as a Sweeper
Main Honours: 1980 Euro Winner + 1982 World Cup Runner-Up + 4 Times Spanish Foreign Player of The Year. Joga Bonito did great videos

RB - BERGOMI - 1963 - Italy: 81 caps - WC Winner 1982 - Inter Milan Ambassador
Complete and versatile defender (RCB-RB-Sweeper) who will lead the defence and doesn't need introduction.

GK - RUDAKOV - 1942 - USSR: 42 caps - Considered as the best GK at the Euro 1972
Contributed to the successes of Dynamo Kiev in the 60s-70s. Nominated twice for the Ballon d'Or, in 1971 when he came 12th, and 1972 when he came 18th. Probably the 3rd greatest Soviet GK behind Yashin and Dasayev.
 
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@Gio which year/season would you consider Brehme's peak on the right?

Probably around 1986-1988 or so when he was in his late 20s. At Bayern I know he was moved around subject to the needs of the teams. For example, he played on the right in the European Cup quarter final 3-2 win over Real Madrid in 1987/88.

Internationally at the 1986 World Cup for example, he played on the right in the quarter final against France, scoring a free kick in their 2-0 win.



And then at the Euros in 1988 he played on the right against Spain.

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Pretty much the quintessential full-back who could shine on both sides with his unmatched two-footedness and ability to read the game.
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One of the best and most complete full backs in German football history, gifted with a very good technique and a hard and precise shot, as a youth he was a midfielder, as a young professional he quickly made a name as a full back that would play equally well on both sides of the pitch, due to his absolute two-footedness, albeit with a slight preference of the left foot. One thing he did not have though was pace. He loved to swing in crosses from an inside and outside position, although he could have been better at crossing at high pace, hence he preferred to cross an inactive ball. His left-foot had a more subtle touch while his right had more power. Additionally to his full back duties, throughout his career he frequently was used as a wide midfielder as well as a defensive midfielder.
 
Nilton and Bergomi don't make it an easy choice but Gio's front 6 looks mint.
Both the centre back pairs do look makeshift for this stage, but cancel each other.
Probably prefer Ecstatic's defense a little more than Gio's but not a fan of Steilike in a 4 man defense.
 
@harms @Šjor Bepo due to the discussion about Batistuta, wonder how you lads rate Seeler as lone striker ?

I always thought he was better as a second striker that would exploit his constant movement and also entering the box from deeper positions.

For @Gio the only question mark is Briegel. He was pretty versatile, but I've never seen him played as a CB, especially in a 4 man defence.
 
Interesting move to put Briegel as a center back. Seems like a good stylistic fit to Seeler — has tons of speed and an incredible leap. Sometimes he lacked concentration though. Not fully sold but I'm intrigued by the idea.

@Enigma_87 Ideally I prefer him partnered with someone up front, but it'll usually be a player who comes from deep (I like the idea of Seeler-Zico or Seeler-Eusebio partnerships for example). Younger Laudrup formed a great partnership with Elkjær — I think that Laudrup - Seeler can work as well, as I see a lot of similarities between the two.

Seeler is just a perfect striker that can and will work fantastically in pretty much every role and formation. Put him on the right, put him up front, put him as a #10 of sorts, play him with Müller, Haller, Beckenbauer...
 
@harms @Šjor Bepo due to the discussion about Batistuta, wonder how you lads rate Seeler as lone striker ?

I always thought he was better as a second striker that would exploit his constant movement and also entering the box from deeper positions.

For @Gio the only question mark is Briegel. He was pretty versatile, but I've never seen him played as a CB, especially in a 4 man defence.
Yeah good question. He played as a CB quite a lot in his career, featuring there at Euro '84 for West Germany. But it's at club level where his CB pedigree is most compelling, particularly at Kaiserslautern.

Kicker in July 1980 said:
Over the course of the year we always rated Briegel as “international class” but by the end of the year the majority of our writers were now sure he had to be rated in the highest category. Briegel, the former ‘muscle man’ from Kaiserslautern who was more known for his athletic abilities than his football skills by now has mastered the ABC of football in such a high degree that he even managed to oust the national team’s stopper Karlheinz Förster from the first place in this, his strongest position. And he managed this despite him not being able to show what he has to offer as stopper for the national team. His performances for his club already were sufficient to rate him as a stopper of world class. How glad Jupp Derwall can feel for having two such highly-rated players available for the stopper role!
 
Interesting matchup with both teams playing the same formation. I do prefer the personnel on @Gio's team though. Falcao and Zidane together in particular just sounds like the stuff of dreams really.
 
@harms @Šjor Bepo due to the discussion about Batistuta, wonder how you lads rate Seeler as lone striker ?

I always thought he was better as a second striker that would exploit his constant movement and also entering the box from deeper positions.

For @Gio the only question mark is Briegel. He was pretty versatile, but I've never seen him played as a CB, especially in a 4 man defence.


pretty much what harms said, reckon he would be at home in this setup where he can do a little bit of everything.
 
Is Bergomi the best fit stylistically to stop Czibor?


Yes, obviously an excellent fit: strong disciplined defender manufactured in the purest traditional Italian defending method and who benefits from a strong track record too.

Czibor is a great winger but I think the context deserved to be taken into account to provide a complete overview.

I would even say that the right-side is supportive because:

1) Marzolini isn't known for his offensive contribution (like Bergomi btw)
2) Tigana is the most aggressive box-to-box on the pitch. You need these type of central midfielder to make a team balanced and full of energy. Giresse was a playmaker in the team you can see below (Euro 84 final)


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3) Figo is another great player: he isn't very quick but is also known for his work-rate and defensive contribution

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Interesting move to put Briegel as a center back. Seems like a good stylistic fit to Seeler — has tons of speed and an incredible leap. Sometimes he lacked concentration though. Not fully sold but I'm intrigued by the idea.

@Enigma_87 Ideally I prefer him partnered with someone up front, but it'll usually be a player who comes from deep (I like the idea of Seeler-Zico or Seeler-Eusebio partnerships for example). Younger Laudrup formed a great partnership with Elkjær — I think that Laudrup - Seeler can work as well, as I see a lot of similarities between the two.

Seeler is just a perfect striker that can and will work fantastically in pretty much every role and formation. Put him on the right, put him up front, put him as a #10 of sorts, play him with Müller, Haller, Beckenbauer...

I fully agree with you about Seeler. I have considered very diverse options like Griezmann, Hidegkuti or other striker.

And that is why I have removed Hagi and opted for Laudrup

Why I believe Laudrup & Seeler would be a great duo


http://www.thefalse9.com/2011/12/el-clasicomichael-laudrup.html


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Then, I have a left wing more offensive and high on the pitch. Kubala is another great player but I don't see him as a winger, more as a forward so he would have to defend more than usual IMO.

Like Seeler, Law is a wonderful player who would enjoy a central player moving around him like the dream player Zico and - that is why - I would have preferred a different partner than Zidane (very disciplined #10 with a strong work-rate) to build a kind of magic or some synergies if you prefer.

The feeling that Rudakov is the best goalkeeper here

These details do matter
 
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Nilton and Bergomi don't make it an easy choice but Gio's front 6 looks mint.
Both the centre back pairs do look makeshift for this stage, but cancel each other.
Probably prefer Ecstatic's defense a little more than Gio's but not a fan of Steilike in a 4 man defense.

Your concerns make sense but if you like maths, you might believe my defence makes sense

(+) offensively enlightening: the iconic Nilton :p+Stielike








(-) defensively serious & rigourous: Bergomi + Perfumo


My team is like that: Nilton (+) then Perfumo (-) then Stielike (+) and then Bergomi (-) so +-+- = balance


Maths don't lie, really
 
Your concerns make sense but if you like maths, you might believe my defence makes sense

(+) offensively enlightening: the iconic Nilton :p+Stielike

(-) defensively serious & rigourous: Bergomi + Perfumo


My team is like that: Nilton (+) then Perfumo (-) then Stielike (+) and then Bergomi (-) so +-+- = balance


Maths don't lie, really

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Then, I have a left wing more offensive and high on the pitch. Kubala is another great player but I don't see him as a winger, more as a forward so he would have to defend more than usual IMO.

Like Seeler, Law is a wonderful player who would enjoy a central player moving around him like the dream player Zico and - that is why - I would have preferred a different partner than Zidane (very disciplined #10 with a strong work-rate) to build a kind of magic or some synergies if you prefer.

The feeling that Rudakov is the best goalkeeper here

These details do matter
Firstly, I think we've established that Nilton's class on the ball is clear but he was not an obvious overlapper in the mould of a modern wing-back. On that basis, positionally I don't see Kubala getting dragged into deeper areas. And Kubala's attack-mindedness and directness would see him constantly probing any space vacated by Nilton as well as that channel between the left-back and Perfumo.

Secondly, Law looks perfectly at home with a superb creator like Zidane near to him - after all he dovetailed beautifully with Charlton for United. He also linked up gorgeously with Best and we have another winger in Czibor who would offer much of the same type of service. And finally he will have Kubala in near company to spark off - he can drop into the hole and Kubala can attack the vacant space, and vice versa. From all angles, I can see Law having a grand game. Especially up against a Perfumo/Stielike central defensive partnership which might not relish his aggression, zeal or dynamism.

Thirdly, I like Rudakov, but I'm not sure it's fair to say he is the best keeper here as him and Roma are surely in the same tier. Roma's record is impressive, both at Boca, but also with Argentina. He is the only keeper to have kept a clean sheet against Seeler's West Germany in 11 World Cup games between 1962 and 1974.
 
Midfield is key in this one. With Zidane and Falcao combining ahead of Goncalves, it is an area I feel we have an advantage in. As much as I can see Tigana offering some firm résistance, he may get marooned at times as I'm not as sold on the defensive efforts of either Lazzatti or Laudrup. I love the Lazzatti pick and it's great to find out about new players. But all my reading of him seems to talk about his elegance and his passing ability, whereas I would imagine that midfield needs some battle-hardened rigour to withstand the onslaught. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not sold on the balance there in terms of what it's up against.
 
DENIS LAW - THE KING OF OLD TRAFFORD




Cracking all-round performance against Leicester in the FA Cup final, our first trophy post Munich. Unbelievable how complete his game is, a real menace all over the pitch. Check out 3.25 for the run, one-two, and almost goal. His passing is pinpoint.



A real classic and one for the ages, with di Stefano, Eusebio, Gento, Kopa, Masopust, Djalma Santos, Sir Bobby Moore, Jimmy Greaves, Bobby Charlton, Lev Yashin, Schnellinger, Puskas etc on the same pitch.



A heated game against fierce rivals England, the reigning World Cup Champions, with Law putting in a total footballing masterclass yet again.



One of the best players on the pitch, no mean feat as the likes of Beckenbauer, Muller, Overath, Bremner etc featured in this important World Cup Qualifier.



Credit to Joga for the post and read more at https://www.redcafe.net/threads/cla...e-greatest-forward-in-uniteds-history.430924/
 
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In the context of a Man Utd forum, I do find it odd how overlooked Law is whenever someone discusses classic United players, or is trying to compare between eras.

One of only four Utd players to have won the Ballon d'Or (yes, I know the criteria and restrictions used to be different).
 
@Gio I don't think that Law's videos are showing (not that I haven't seen them before). Perhaps I'm the only one with that problem though
 
@Enigma_87 Ideally I prefer him partnered with someone up front, but it'll usually be a player who comes from deep (I like the idea of Seeler-Zico or Seeler-Eusebio partnerships for example). Younger Laudrup formed a great partnership with Elkjær — I think that Laudrup - Seeler can work as well, as I see a lot of similarities between the two.

Seeler is just a perfect striker that can and will work fantastically in pretty much every role and formation. Put him on the right, put him up front, put him as a #10 of sorts, play him with Müller, Haller, Beckenbauer...

So sort of like Kalle from what I'm getting in terms of pairing him with another forward? I was surprised in some of the games I've watched how good he also was working the wing and consistent in terms of presence over the whole front line.
 
Yeah good question. He played as a CB quite a lot in his career, featuring there at Euro '84 for West Germany. But it's at club level where his CB pedigree is most compelling, particularly at Kaiserslautern.

Yeah I think it's compelling case(although in that EURO he was a LCB in a 5 man defence), but to me it looks a bit light as an option, especially against Seeler and Figo cutting it from that side.

Not sure of the restrictions you had in the reinforcement round, but I loved the defensive line from last round - Briegel, Khurtsilava, Mozer and Brehme. This one looks a bit off personally and a bit backwards compared to last round.

Still fantastic front 6 and I keep changing my mind who will win this one.
 
Your concerns make sense but if you like maths, you might believe my defence makes sense

(+) offensively enlightening: the iconic Nilton :p+Stielike








(-) defensively serious & rigourous: Bergomi + Perfumo


My team is like that: Nilton (+) then Perfumo (-) then Stielike (+) and then Bergomi (-) so +-+- = balance


Maths don't lie, really


As funny as that sounds, I do agree the balance of the defense is al right. Bergomi is a good choice to just about make Stielike work. Figo being hard working helps as well.

Will reconsider my vote after reading a bit more about Mozer and CB Briegel
 
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Need to speak about Juan Joya and prepare something
 
Yeah I think it's compelling case(although in that EURO he was a LCB in a 5 man defence), but to me it looks a bit light as an option, especially against Seeler and Figo cutting it from that side.

Not sure of the restrictions you had in the reinforcement round, but I loved the defensive line from last round - Briegel, Khurtsilava, Mozer and Brehme. This one looks a bit off personally and a bit backwards compared to last round.

Still fantastic front 6 and I keep changing my mind who will win this one.
Conscious that we were shuffling things around as opposed to making huge improvements. Cannot argue with introducing Marzolini though, very good fit IMO against Figo. I think Briegel squares up well against Seeler as well. And with Marzolini's right-footedness and Briegel's left-footedness and left-sidedness, that channel looks well defended in my book. It's worth highlighting too that Briegel played CB when Kicker gave him the highest ranking of any season in his career.

Probably worth pointing out as well that Mozer seems to excel as both aggressive stopper and as covering defender or sweeper.

Chris Waddle said:
A sweeper-cum-centre-half who I played with for three years at Marseille. Exactly as you'd expect from a Brazilian, he was technically out of this world, but if you wanted a fight, he'd fight you. He could lose his head at times, but I've never seen anyone as good in the air. He could have played in any position. A must.
Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/chris-waddle-perfect-xi#Pzu8iiyLGZgrwhQR.99

So in terms of the balance there between Briegel and Mozer, it looks good to me, particularly in terms of what it is up against.
 
Juan Joya - the greatest Peruvian left-winger

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lso known as "Negro el once", Joya started his playing career in the youth team of Alianza Lima. Joya helped the team to win back-to-back titles in 1954 and 1955. In 1958, Joya scored 17 goals in 18 matches of the Peruvian league, making him the league's top goalscorer.

In 1960, he joined River Plate of Argentina. He helped reach second place at the Argentina championship.

In 1961 he joined Peñarol where he was part of the team that won 6 Uruguayan league championships, two Copa Libertadores and a two Copa Intercontinental.

Joya played 9 games for the Peru national team in which he scored 3. He played in two Copa América in 1957 and 1959. Joya was part of the Peru national team which demolished England 4-1 in Lima, a game in which he scored the fourth goal.[2]



 
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England and Peru – A footballing history

Introduction

In their 142 year history the England national football team have had a number of famous matches against South American opposition, most notably in World Cup finals games. In 1966 they drew 0-0 against Uruguay in their opening match before going on to win the tournament. 1970 saw Bobby Moore’s England lose 1-0 to Pele’s Brazil. In the 1986 quarter-final versus Argentina they succumed to the hand, and genius, of Diego Maradona and then 12 years later Beckham’s sending off and a penalty shootout loss against the same opposition in the last 16.

But against Peru their playing record is not so extensive. They’ve only played the La Blanquirroja (‘The White and Red’) only twice so far. But now a third game against Peru has now been confirmed. This will bring the team currently ranked 39 in the world to Wembley for a warm-up match for England prior to leaving for the United States where they will prepare for the finals tournament in Brazil with further friendlies against Ecuador and Honduras. The English FA were keen to test themselves against South and Central American opposition due to the fact that they are due to play Luis Suarez’s Uruguay in Sao Paulo on 19th June following by Costa Rica in Belo Horizonte 5 days later. Although Uruguay are obviously a far superior team, holding 6th place in the current FIFA rankings, it is thought that the meeting with Peru will bring useful experience against a team with a similar playing style and tempo.

The Peruvian national team are currently without a manager following the sacking of Sergio Markarian after finishing 7th in the last South American World Cup qualifying tournament. This is despite an unexpected 3rd place finish in the 2011 Copa American competition which was held in Argentina. A number of names have since been linked with the post, among them Diego Maradona and his fellow Argentinians Marcelo Bielsa, Sergio Batista and Julio Falconi. Home-grown candidates include the current coach of Peruvian Primera Division club Universidad Cesar Vallejo, Victor Rivera, and former Newcastle United winger Nolberto Solano.



Previous Meetings

The game on the 30th May will be the first time in 52 years that the two countries have met and the first time on English soil. The two previous meetings took place took place in 1959 and 1962 and were both friendlies played in the Peruvian capital city of Lima. England had had a disappointing performance in the 1958 World Cup in Sweden having been knocked out in the group stage. However, they did manage to share the in 1959 Home International title with Ireland before leaving for a tour of the Americas at the end of the 1958-59 season.

The touring party was relatively inexperienced. The team was captained by 35 year-old Billy Wright of Wolves, who had won his 100th England cap shortly before the tour. Only four other players had caps numbering in double-figures and three would make their international debuts during the tour. In their first game of the tour they lost 2-0 to Brazil in Rio de Janiero in front of a crowd of 160,000.

Peru had a decent side at the time and were ranked just outside the top 20. Earlier in 1959 they had managed 4th place in the Copa America tournament and their team, with a mixture of youth and experience, had attracted much praise for its attractive play. They warmed up for the England game with friendlies against Lima club sides Union America, newly promoted to the Primera Division, and Ciclista Lima winning the former 1-0 thanks to a goal by Miguel Loayza and losing the second by the same score. The latter result brought much criticism by the Peruvian press who questioned whether the team’s players were really good enough to play against such an esteemed side as England and if the national side’s coach, the Hungarian Gyorgy Orth, was the right man for the job.

The game created much interest in the Peruvian media. Very few Peruvian households had television in those days and so the majority of the country got their information via newspapers. The England coach Walter Winterbottom spent two hours giving an exclusive interview to one newspaper in the Hotel Crillon, the England base during their stay in Lima. The 21 year-old Manchester United forward Bobby Charlton drew the most attention and commented that he expected a difficult game as it would be played outside of England and expressed concern that he would be up against a good defender in “Mr Benitez”. The game was played on 17th May, a Sunday, and over 50,000 spectators turned up at the National Stadium to watch.

England made one change from their game versus Brazil with 19 year-old inside forward Jimmy Greaves of Chelsea replacing Peter Broadbent of Wolves to make his international debut. The England team thus lined up as: Eddie Hopkinson (Bolton Wanderers) – GK, Don Howe (West Bromwich Albion), Jimmy Armfield (Blackpool), Ronnie Clayton (Blackburn Rovers), Billy Wright (Wolverhampton Wanderers) – Captain, Ron Flowers (Wolverhampton Wanderers), Norman Deeley (Wolverhampton Wanderers), Jimmy Greaves (Chelsea), Johnny Haynes (Fulham), Albert Holden (Bolton Wanderers), Bobby Charlton (Manchester United). Both Armfield and Deeley were winning only their 2nd caps, Holden his 4th and Flowers his 6th. The team lined up in Winterbottom’s favourite 3-2-5, or WM, formation with Armfield and Howe at fullback, Wright at centre-half and Flowers and Clayton and midfield. Charlton was the centre forward with Greaves and Haynes as inside forwards and Deeley and Holden as outside rights.

The Peru team was Rafael Asca (Sporting Cristal) – GK & Captain, Willy Flemming (Deportivo Municipal), Victor Benitez (Alianza Lima), Jose Fernandez (Universitario), Isaac Andrade (Sport Boys), Juan de la Vega (Alianza Lima), Oscar Montalvo (Deportivo Municipal), Miguel Loayza (Ciclista Lima), Juan Joya (Alianza Lima), Jose Carrasco (Deportivo Municipal), Juan Seminario (Deportivo Municipal). Peru coach Orth also used a 2-3-5 formation with Flemming and Fernandez flanking Benitez at the back and Andrade and de la Vega in Midfield. Up front Joya was the centre forward with Loayza and Montalvo to his right and Carrasco and Seminario to his left.

The game was referred by Erwin Hieger. Hieger was born in Austria and referred in the Austrian League before emigrating to Peru in the mid 1950s. He took charge of a number of matches in the 1957 Copa America under Austrian nationality but had become a Peruvian citizen by the time he referred in the 1968 Olympic football tournament.

Peru started the game very brightly and Howe and Armfield found it very difficult to cope with the movement of Seminario and Montalvo. The former opened the scoring in the 10th minute and then added a second five minutes before half-time. Debutant Greaves, who had finished as the First Division top-scorer with 32 goals in the season just ended, pulled a goal back in the 58th minute but Joya restored the two-goal lead nine minutes later. Seminario would complete his hat-trick after 80 minutes to make the final score 4-1 to Peru. Despite his three goals Seminario was actually criticized by certain members of the Peruvian media for his greedy play. Jose Fernandez was named man of the match with high praise also being received by both Montalvo and Loayza.

England had decided to wear a blue shirt for the game, for the first time since their disastrous 1-0 defeat to the United States in Belo Horizonte during the 1950 World Cup in Brazil. As a result of this thrashing the blue shirt has never been worn again by England. Each of the Peruvian players received a sum of 4500 sols for their performance against England. 2500 sols of this was received as salary from the Peruvian Football Federation with the remaining 2000 sols been paid as prize money by the local drinks manufactuer Backus and Johnston. England’s defeat resulted in much delight in Peru but much criticism back in London. Sam Leitch, the famous broadcaster and journalist, wrote in the Evening Standard “Imagine that indignity that Peru, playing with four good players and seven ballet dancers, and sponsered by a brewery, made England look like a panting novice.”

Norman Deeley’s poor performance against Peru meant that he never played for England again and Albert Holden won only one more cap, in England’s next fixture away to Mexico which they also lose, 2-1. England would finish their tour of the Americas with an 8-1 thrashing of the United States with Charlton getting a hat-trick in what would be Billy Wright’s 105th, and last, England cap but overall the tour was considered to be a disaster.

As a result of their performances against England a number of the Peru team earned moves abroad. Victor Benitez was signed by Boca Juniors of Argentina in 1960 and then 8 years in Italy’s Serie A played for, amongst others, both Milan clubs and AS Roma. Juan Joya also moved to Argentina in 1960 to join River Plate and then spent 8 years with Penarol of Uruguay. Shortly after the England game 20 year-old Miguel Loayza was signed by Spanish giants Barcelona but only managed 10 games, scoring 4 times, before returning to South America in 1961 to join Boca Juniors. He then played for 5 other Argentinian clubs, including River Plate, before finishing his playing career with Colombian side Deportivo Cali. Hat-trick hero Juan Seminario earned a move to Sporting Lisbon of Portugal before joining Real Zaragoza of Spain. His 33 goals in the 1961-62 season brought him to the attention of Serie A club Fiorentina. He returned to Spain in 1964 to play for first Barcelona and then CE Sabadell before finishing his career back in Peru.

At the time the Peruvian FA refused to select players who played outside of Peru for their national team and so Seminario, Benitez, Loayza and Joya never appeared for the Peruvian national team again after the England game although Juan Joya later played one game for Uruguay. Other players moved abroad a few years later. Isaac Andrade played for various clubs in Argentina between 1962 and 1969, Oscar Montalvo played for Deportivo La Coruna in Spain in the mid 1960s. They would also end their international careers with these moves. The Peru team of the 1960s could easily have rivaled those of the 1930s and 1970s had all these players been able to represent their country but as it was they failed to make much of an impression during that decade.

In May 1962 England returned to Lima for a second international game against Peru which would act as a warm-up to the World Cup which was to be held in neighbouring Chile shortly afterwards. Walter Winterbottom was still in charge of the England team and a number of players from the 1959 game were still present – Jimmy Armfield, Ron Flowers, Jimmy Greaves, Johnny Haynes and Bobby Charlton. The full England line-up was: Ron Springett (Sheffield Wednesday) – GK, Jimmy Armfield (Blackpool), Ray Wilson (Huddersfield Town), Bobby Moore (West Ham United), Maurice Norman (Tottenham Hotspur), Ron Flowers (Wolverhampton Wanderers), Bryan Douglas (Blackburn Rovers), Jimmy Greaves (Tottenham Hotspur), Gerry Hitchens (Inter Milan), Johnny Haynes (Fulham) – Captain, Bobby Charlton (Manchester United). Both Moore and Norman were making their England debuts.

This time England played with a 4-2-4 formation which was much in fashion at that time. The fullbacks were Armfield and Wilson with Moore and Norman, the debutants, at centre-half. Charlton and Flowers made up the midfield and up front were Douglas on the wing, Hitchens at centre-forward with Greaves and Haynes as inside forwards outside him.

This was the first senior international for the Peruvian national team since losing to Colombia in the South American qualifiers the previous May and six players made their Peru debut versus England – Guzman, Bazan, Lobaton, Mosquera, Zevallos, Zegarra. Donayre won his 2nd Peru cap, nine years after his 1st. The team was coached, for the first time, by the Brazilian Jaime de Almeyda who was also the manager of Alianza Lima at the time. To warm up for the England game Peru had played two friendlies against Spanish club Real Zaragoza who featured Juan Seminario, hat-trick hero from the 1959 game and reigning La Liga top-scorer, in their side. They also had another Peruvian in their ranks, veteran defender Guillermo Delgado. Seminario scored twice in a 4-1 Zaragoza win in the first game but Peru won 3-1 in the second.

The Peru team was: Rodolfo Bazan (Alianza Lima) – GK, Willy Flemming (Deportivo Municipal), Adolfo Donayre (Alianza Lima), Rodolfo Guzman (Alianza Lima), Juan de la Vega (Alianza Lima) – captain, Manuel Grimaldo (Alianza Lima), Víctor Zegarra (Alianza Lima), Nicolas Nieri (Sporting Cristal), Hugo Lobaton (Sporting Cristal), Alejandro Zevallos (Centro Iqueno), Oscar Montalvo (Deportivo Municipal). Later on in the game Humberto Arguedas of Universitario would replace de la Vega and Nemesio Mosquera, also of Universitario, replaced Zegarra. Flemming, de la Vega and Montalvo remained from the previous meeting in 1959.

De Almeyda had hoped to include Guillermo Delgado and Juan Seminario from the touring Real Zaragoza, who had agreed to release them, as well as other Peruvians playing overseas such as Juan Joya and Miguel Loayza but was refused permission to do so by the Peruvian FA. They argued that they had to take into account the long-term future of the national side and not consider the result of just one game.

The game, at 3:45 pm on the 20th May at the National Stadium in Lima, was attended by around 32,000 spectators. The referee, as for the game 3 years previously, was Erwin Hieger. England played far better than in 1959 and the young debutant centre-halfs Moore and Norman were rarely troubled despite the good play from Montalvo and Zegarra in the Peruvian attack. After quarter of an hour England were awarded a penalty which was converted by Flowers. Greaves then scored a hat-trick between the 24th and 40th minute giving England a 4-0 half-time lead. The England forwards continued to torment the Peruvian defence in the second half and nly a fine performance by Bazan in the Peru goal prevented further English goals. After the game the England team attended a reception at the Lima Cricket club hosted by local English residents. They then left for the World Cup in Chile where they would be defeated in the quarter-finals by eventual champions Brazil.



Expatriate players

Nolberto Solano is by far the most succesful Peruvian player to have plied his trade in the English leagues. After moving from Boca Juniors to Newcastle United in 1998 to became the first ever Peruvian to appear for an English club he made 240 appearances, scoring 45 goals, in two highly succesful spells with the Tyneside club punctuated by a season with Aston Villa where he finished as the club’s player of the season.

After leaving Newcastle he spent a season with West Ham United before leaving for short stints in Greece with Larissa and back home in Peru with Universitario. In 2010 he returned to the English game when he signed for Leicester City and later that year moved to Hull City before finished his career at Hartlepoool United. During the latter part of his time at Hartlepool he also combined his playing career with coaching duties at Northern League side Newcastle Benfield.

In 2000 Ysrael Zuniga became the 2nd Peruvian to play in England when he joined Coventry City, then of the Premier League, for £750,000 in January 2000 following a very debut succesful season with FBC Melgar of Arequipa in which he scored 32 goals. Zuniga was almost joined at Coventry by his Melgar team-mate Walter Zeballos but that transfer broke down due to passport problems.

During the 2nd half of the 1999-2000 season Zuniga scored two goals, against Bradford City and Sheffield Wednesday, in 6 games. The following season he found the net only once in 15 league appearances, against Manchester United at Highfield Road, and Coventry ended up relegated. Another goal came in the League Cup away to Preston North End. In total he managed only 4 goals in 30 appearances with the Midlands club before moving to Estudiantes of Argentina.

On 1st July 2007 two more Peruvian footballers moved to England – Claudio Pizarro and Miguel Mostto. Striker Claudio Pizarro had spent a number of succesful seasons playing in the Bundesliga scoring 100 goals in 240 games with first Werder Bremen and then Bayern Munich before joining Chelsea on a free transfer. He got off to a promising start, scoring on his Premier League debut as Chelsea beat Birmingham City 3-2 at Stamford Bridge.

However, following Jose Mourinho’s replacement by Avram Grant Pizarro fell out of favour and moved further down the striking pecking order after Chelsea signed Nicholas Anelka in January 2008. He managed only one other goal in Chelsea colours, also against Birmingham City in the return match at St. Andrews. He finished with a record of 2 goals in 31 appearances, the majority of them as substitute. The following season he returned to Werder Bremen for a very succesful loan spell and re-signed for them permanantly in 2009.

Miguel Mostto finished at the top scorer in the Peruvian Primera Division in both 2005 and 2006 scoring 18 and 22 goals respectively. His goalscoring exploits resulted in him being signed by Championship side Barnsley for a fee in the region of £350,000-£400,000. His only goal in 14 appearances during the 2007-08 season came with a second-half equaliser at home to Burnley in October. In January 2008 he was allowed to join Peruvian club Coronel Bolognesi for the rest of the season. The following season Mostto struggled with personel problems as a result of his young son’s serious illness and homesickness because his family had stayed in Peru. Barnsley allowed him to go back to Peru for a short period to deal with these matters but he returned briefly to England and scored his second goal for the club in the home match versus Watford in November. In January 2009 he returned to Peru permanently when he joined Total Chalaco.

The last Peruvian to appear for an English club, up till now, was Diego Penny. Unlike the previous players, who were all forwards, Penny was a goalkeeper. After making 180 appearances for Coronel Bolognesi from the southern Peruvian city of Tacna between 2004 and 2008, during which time he was also called up for the national team, the 24 year-old Penny signed for Championship side Burnley. He made his debut for Burnley in the opening game of the 2008-09 season but a 4-1 defeat to Sheffield Wednesday resulted in him losing his position to Brian Jensen for the rest of the season. Burnley ended the season by being promoted to the Premier League via the playoffs.

Penny made his only top-flight appearance when he replaced the injured Jensen after 15 minutes in the home game against Wigan Athletic in October 2009. The score was 1-1 at that time but Burnley would go on to lose 3-1. This would be his last appearance for the Lancashire club although he had also played 2 games in the League Cup earlier that season. He started the 2nd Round tie against Hartlepool United, which Burnley won 2-1, and again replaced the injured Brian Jensen, this time in the 34th minute, in the 3-2 defeat away to Barnsley in the following round. He left Burnley by mutual consent at the start of the following season following their relegation from the Premier League and signed for Peruvian club Juan Aurich a short time later.

Like Penny, Mark Cook was also a goalkeeper. He started his career at Newcastle United playing for their youth and reserve teams. Nolberto Solano was also on Newcastle’s books at that time but would shortly leave the club for West Ham United. After leaving Newcastle United, Cook ended up at non-league club Harrogate Town. Meanwhile in June 2012 Solano started his managerial career with his former club Universitario from Lima, one of the big three clubs of Peruvian football. His first signing for Universitario was his old team-mate Cook who arrived in Lima to much attention from both the Peruvian and English media, and elsewhere. Cook was the first, and so far only, English player to appear in the Peruvian league in the professional era.

Cook made his Universitario debut in the 1-0 home defeat against Sport Huancayo at the beginning of September. His 2nd game for the La “U” came two weeks later in Moquegua when the home team Cobresol were victorious 3-0. An injury to his finger then prevented Cook from making further appearances. Universitario’s poor performances in the Second Stage of the Torneo Decentralizado led to Nolberto Solano’s sacking and Cook left the club to return to England shortly afterwards.



English involvement in the early football history of Peru

There is much debate about exactly who introduced football to Peru. Some sources claim that it was English sailors who were responsible during their visits to Callao, at that time a very important trading port, in the late 19th century by. The sailors would arrange kick-abouts between themselves and the local residents, known as Chalacos.

Others say that it was young Peruvians, or the offspring of English immigrants living in Peru, who brought the game back with them when they returned home after studying in England. Alejandro Garland (1852-1912) was a Peruvian-born writer and economist with an English father and an education gained in England and Germany who, in the early 1870s, tried to organise football games in a small park between the Exhibition Palace and the prison known as the Lima Panopticon. However, this was met with little enthusiasm, even amongst those locals who had also been educated in England, and after the War of the Pacific, fought between a united Peru/Bolivia and Chile broke out in 1879 participation in all sporting activities were halted.

English residents in Lima had already formed a number of sports clubs by that time with some sources claiming that the Lima Cricket and Football club was founded in 1859. Although football was part of the club’s sporting program it’s main focus was cricket. Similar clubs with an emphasis on other sports but with some involvement in football emerged later on. Regatas Lima, formed in 1875, was mainly focused on rowing whilst Lawn Tennis (1884) was the second oldest tennis club in the Americas. Ciclista Lima (1896) was initially only interested in cycling but introduced football into its program following the merger with the Association Football Club (1897) in 1917.

The first documented football match to be played in Peru took place on 7th August, 1892 at Santa Sofia, a playing field close to the Jose Pardo Institute which belonged to the Lima Cricket and Football club. The game involved residents of Callao, captained by a Mr. Foulkes and a team representing Lima, captained by Pedro Larranaga. The teams were mostly made up of English residents with the remainder being Peruvians. According to some sources the result of the match was 1-1 with neither side finishing with eleven players. In 1895 an “international” match was played between a team made up from Peruvian and English residents of Lima and a team from the crew of the British cruiser HMS Leander. The latter team won 5-0 in front of a crowd of 3000. Similar matches also took place over the next few years.

Jack Greenwell, from Crook in County Durham, began his playing career with his home-town club Crook Town. In 1909 he played for West Auckland during their victorious campaign in the Sir Thomas Lipton Trophy tournament, often refered to as “the first World Cup”. He then played for, and managed, Barcelona before managing numerous other Spanish clubs. When the Spanish Civil War broke out in 1939 he fled briefly to Turkey before moving to Peru where he became the manager of both Universitario de Deportes, who won their 3rd Campeonato Peruano title in 1939 and the Peruvian national team.

The 1939 Copa America was held in Peru in January and February of that year with all games taking place at the National Stadium in Lima. Prior to the tournament four teams – Colombia, Bolivia, Argentina and Brazil – withdrew leaving only five participants – the hosts Peru, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay and Ecuador, who made their Copa America debut. The tournament format was that of a single round-robin schedule where all teams played each other only once.

Peru’s first game was against the debutants Ecuador and they won easy 5-2 thanks to a hat-trick by Teodoro Fernandez, managed by Greenwell at Universitario, and two goals from Jorge Alcalde of Sport Boys from Callao. In their second game, against their bitter rivals Chile, Greenwell used an attacking 2-3-5 formation and Peru won 3-1 with two more goals by Fernandez and another by Alcalde. The same scoring pattern was repeated in the 3-0 victory over Paraguay.

In their final match Peru had to play Uruguay, the strongest South American side at that time. Both teams had 100% records and so the game would decide the title. In front of a full- capacity crowd of 40,000 spectators Peru opening the scoring through Alcalde in the 7th minute then Victor Bielich added a second after 35 minutes. Uruguay pulled one back just before half-time but Peru hung on to record their first ever Copa America title. Not long afterwards Greenwell moved to Colombia where he coached a number of clubs before dying there from a heart attack in 1942 aged 58.
 
Sunday, 17th May 1959, 3:45pm
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    Peru 4 - 1 England

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    Juan Seminario, 10'
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    Juan Seminario, 39'
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    Jimmy Greaves, 60'
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    Juan Joya, 69'
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    Juan Seminario, 80'
    • 1Rafael Asca
    • 2Guillermo Fleming
    • 3José Fernández Santini
    • 4Isaac Andrade
    • 5Juan de la Vega
    • 6Víctor Benítez
    • 7Óscar Montalvo
    • 8Miguel Loayza
    • 9Juan Joya
    • 10José Carrasco
    • 11Juan Seminario
  • 1Eddie Hopkinson
  • 2Don Howe
  • 3Jimmy Armfield
  • 4Ronnie Clayton
  • 5Billy Wright (c)
  • 6Ron Flowers
  • 7Norman Deeley
  • 8Jimmy Greaves
  • 9Bobby Charlton
  • 10Johnny Haynes
  • 11Holden
 
Not sure of the restrictions you had in the reinforcement round, but I loved the defensive line from last round - Briegel, Khurtsilava, Mozer and Brehme. This one looks a bit off personally and a bit backwards compared to last round.
I really like Khurtsilava (I think I was the first one to pick him), but in this particular game I think he'd be exposed — Seeler is pretty much the worst possible opponent for him, he's quicker, stronger, more agile and better in the air. At least Briegel, who's probably a worse center back on paper, can match Seeler's physicality.

Khurtsilava was surprisingly good against more conventional center forwards, despite the lack of height, but when I look at Seeler I think about how Müller absolutely destroyed him those few times when they've met.
 
Conscious that we were shuffling things around as opposed to making huge improvements. Cannot argue with introducing Marzolini though, very good fit IMO against Figo. I think Briegel squares up well against Seeler as well. And with Marzolini's right-footedness and Briegel's left-footedness and left-sidedness, that channel looks well defended in my book. It's worth highlighting too that Briegel played CB when Kicker gave him the highest ranking of any season in his career.

Probably worth pointing out as well that Mozer seems to excel as both aggressive stopper and as covering defender or sweeper.



So in terms of the balance there between Briegel and Mozer, it looks good to me, particularly in terms of what it is up against.

Stylistically yes mate, as Mozer is pretty complete in terms of defender, but both are more the aggressive, no-nonsense stopper type of defenders. Mozer can cover for him, but as @harms mentioned Briegel was prone to mistake or two. In a 5 man backline where you have a spare defender to cover for him would be best but in 4 man backline, even if Mozer is capable of covering for him, he also has to watch out for his zone as RCB.

Ideally I'd look for more accomplished CB at this stage instead of Briegel, albeit athletically being a better fit, as experience matters, especially against some of the top attackers in the game.

Will read a bit more on his time at Kaiserslautern (have some Kicker ratings at the time) to see if that changes my mind!

Marzolini is really good fit indeed(I'd remove the arrow as he doesn't need it with an outside left in Czibor IMO).