If we don't get one of the big names.... (We must sign the next Messi - Coach Version)

Laurent Blanc hasn't done too badly with PSG... Plus he could tap up Veratti for us. :drool:

And having already managed the international team, he isn't going to inevitably piss off after a few years like Maureen and Pep would do.
 
I wonder how good Blanc is really. I mean to wint he title in France is not that difficult with that team
 
What about Peter Stöger, the Austrian coach of Cologne. He's doing a decent job there, his defense is rock solid and he has a perfect understanding of when to push for the 0:0.
 
do.ob said:
What about Peter Stöger, the Austrian coach of Cologne. He's doing a decent job there, his defense is rock solid and he has a perfect understanding of when to push for the 0:0.
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The next Messi, not the next LVG
 
Looking at the list in the OP, there aren't many of those who actually fit the "next Messi" bill. Bielsa? He's a sixty year old nutter. Would be good craic, as someone said - certainly would. But the next big thing, he clearly ain't.
 
I'd try with Neville even if his experience in Valencia is not successful. For what you write he knows/speaks well about football, is british,understands the club and you all seem in love with him. Guardiola sounds great but do you really want passing football?or is simply the shiniest toy in the shop?
 
Kant-ona said:
Interesting suggestion. Personally, I think he is one of the worst Ajax coaches in the history of this club. For example, he was totally naive against Salzburg under Schmidt. But maybe it's the squad and not him?
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I'm just adding names to a list. If Gaz is in there than de boer should be there too
 
carvajal said:
I'd try with Neville even if his experience in Valencia is not successful. For what you write he knows/speaks well about football, is british,understands the club and you all seem in love with him. Guardiola sounds great but do you really want passing football?or is simply the shiniest toy in the shop?
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I agree pundit who failed in management (if that is the case)> treble winner
 
Regarding some of the german coaches mentioned:

Tuchel won't leave for now. Two more years for Dortmund, after that he will push for a move. The first German coach for ages with real ambition.

Favre: Had a decent shout at the Bayern job before his meltdown. You should still consider him.

Schmidt: Nooooope. Not good enough.

Rangnick: Yeah, that one...He is probably the German Bielsa, but without being a total nutcase. Committed to his recent project though, like he always was.
Always wondered what he could do on the big stage...
 
carvajal said:
I'd try with Neville even if his experience in Valencia is not successful. For what you write he knows/speaks well about football, is british,understands the club and you all seem in love with him. Guardiola sounds great but do you really want passing football?or is simply the shiniest toy in the shop?
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Only if Real keeps Benitez for another 3 years
 
do.ob said:
What about Peter Stöger, the Austrian coach of Cologne. He's doing a decent job there, his defense is rock solid and he has a perfect understanding of when to push for the 0:0.
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To me, Stöger is one of the big promises in the German Bundesliga. But he is def not United material yet.
 
Kant-ona said:
To me, Stöger is one of the big promises in the German Bundesliga. But he is def not United material yet.
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You might not have guessed it, but I wasn't entirely serious.
Germany/Bundesliga has lots of interesting and young coaches - the older generation has pretty much vanished - but I doubt that most of them would fit United.

First of all most German clubs are more about making stars themselves than buying them, so most coaches would face a completely new challenge when confronted with (supposed) star players and their inflated egos.
The league is also obsessed with pressing, you'll really struggle to find coaches who embrace a dominant, possession heavy approach, which isn't bad at all if your club isn't at the top yet.
But imo that doesn't cut it if you want to be a true Behemoth, because then you'll need to control matches and find a way to consistently and patiently play your way through the bus without wasting all your energy.

Tuchel and Klopp (even with him you'd have to wonder if he learned from his last two seasons at Dortmund) are the stand-out coaches from Germany/Bundesliga and both have contracts right now.
Favre is another case. I believe that tactically he might very well work out, but he doesn't really seem to have a lot of charisma (more the quiet, analytical guy) and there have been some reports that hinted at him having a difficult personality in certain situations.
Gladbach was also a very shelterd enviroment for him, because before him they were battling relegation, so the criticism was always rather mild.
I think there would be too many risk factors in his case for a club like United to go for him.
 
Well, one of the big shots is gone.

Ancelotti
Guardiola (A lot of sources say he is on his way to a new sabbatical or City)
Mourinho (Do we even want him? Is he interested? Does he need a longer break?)
...

Could be that the most important position in our team will cause us some headache.
 
Simeone. I don't want us going down without a fight. if were destined to fade away for a while i want us going down swinging, like proper cnuts.
 
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Well, one of the big shots is gone.

Ancelotti
Guardiola (A lot of sources say he is on his way to a new sabbatical or City)
Mourinho (Do we even want him? Is he interested? Does he need a longer break?)
...

Could be that the most important position in our team will cause us some headache.
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Don't see too many headaches. We'll try for Guardiola and if he is indeed going to City we'll go for Mourinho.

I'd love for us to go for a name who could be the next big thing, but we have nobody at United who would be able to identify someone like that.
 
If City get Pep, Chelsea get Simeone, Wenger stays at Arsenal and Liverpool have Kloop....then unless we find a top manager for ourselves, we are absolutely fecked quite frankly.

If anyone thinks LVG, or Giggs, can compete with those four, you're living in dreamland.
 
So Guardiola ist the next name we can strike off from our list.

Guardiola - Gone
Ancelotti - Gone
Mourinho - ???

Just to summarize the names mentioned in this thread as an alternative to the very big names in the business (not every mentioned name is a realistic option though)

Mauricio Pochettino
Ronald Koeman
Lucien Favre
Thomas Tuchel
Roger Schmidt
Gary Neville
Diego Simeone
Marcelo Bielsa
Laurent Blanc
Massimiliano Allegri
Roberto Martinez
Unai Emery
Conte
Benitez
Ranieri
Xavi Hernández
Ryan Giggs
Ralf Rangnick
Frank De Boer

Let's be honest: The list is getting more and more depressing. Let's sign Cantona and have a party.
 
I think we should run a reality show which eliminates a coach a week until we're left with a winner.
 
Did I just read that Frank de Boer is one of the worst coaches in Ajax history on page 1? @Kant-ona the feck did you smoke when you typed that bro :lol:

Xavi Hernandez on that list???... Xavi Hernandez Creus the footballer who plays in Qatar????

:eek:

This is the first time that a football thread on redcafe made me spill my drink laughing this year, and I think that's genuinely awesome. Please continue and don't mind my comments because this place has been way too serious and depressing lately. But Xavi Hernandez, feck me:lol:
 
Just looking at the bookies odds for our next manager, not sure if I should laugh or cry.

Pelegrini straight in as 3rd favourite, I'm sure that's just for convenience, home and family already in the area etc but would look really poor for us to happily take the man they're upgrading from.

Some other scary names in the market, the likes of Stuart Pearce, Nigel Pearson and David Platt are only 60/1, what the hell have we become.
 
I actually think Pellegrini would be the best choice for us. Knows the league well, plays attractive football and will have a point to prove.

As much as everyone is hoping for mourinho, sometimes you just have to face the facts - if he hasn't been appointed yet, it isn't likely to happen.
 
Henrik Larsson said:
Did I just read that Frank de Boer is one of the worst coaches in Ajax history on page 1? @Kant-ona the feck did you smoke when you typed that bro :lol:

Xavi Hernandez on that list???... Xavi Hernandez Creus the footballer who plays in Qatar????

:eek:

This is the first time that a football thread on redcafe made me spill my drink laughing this year, and I think that's genuinely awesome. Please continue and don't mind my comments because this place has been way too serious and depressing lately. But Xavi Hernandez, feck me:lol:
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Read my post: I collected the names mentioned in this thread. Not all of same are realistic options. (Or make any sense at all ;)

About De Boer: I stand by my word. Every time I saw Ajax in the recent years under De Boer they were terrible. And his way of "defending" or explaining their performances were even more terrible.

(For example
Ajax - Salzburg 0:3
Salzburg - Ajax 3:1)

Or the way he behaved before the match against Rapid, when he made clear that the club from Vienna should not have really a chance against his glorious Ajax side. Well, and then they lost again. My perception of him is only selective and maybe unfair, but as said: Everytime I see Ajax...
 
Kant-ona said:
Read my post: I collected the names mentioned in this thread. Not all of same are realistic options. (Or make any sense at all ;)

About De Boer: I stand by my word. Every time I saw Ajax in the recent years under De Boer they were terrible. And his way of "defending" or explaining their performances were even more terrible.

(For example
Ajax - Salzburg 0:3
Salzburg - Ajax 3:1)

Or the way he behaved before the match against Rapid, when he made clear that the club from Vienna should not have really a chance against his glorious Ajax side. Well, and then they lost again. My perception of him is only selective and maybe unfair, but as said: Everytime I see Ajax...
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Yeah I particularly remember that Salzburg 0:3 match very well, and it was awesome for many reasons. That wasn't just on De Boer though, as a matter of fact I recall him (or maybe it was his twin brother Ronald telling the media he spoke with Frank about Red Bull) warning the players and public for their quality and he was actually ridiculed by analists before the match for that, because none of them knew anything about Austrian football.

45 minutes into that first tie with Salzburg and it was all over for Ajax, including a player called Sariano or something scoring a Beckham vs. Wimbledon, like I said it was awesome and nobody at Ajax knew what hit them. Salzburg will probably never play a more perfect first half in their history, but fair game to them and Roger Schmidt.

Realistically though, De Boer has finished 3th in a Champions League group with Real, City and Dortmund, knocking City completely out of Europe, so it's not like he only struggled in Europe. He also won four league titles in a row (including their first in seven years), which makes him the most succesful Ajax coach in the last 25 years after Louis van Gaal. In that regard it's very funny to see him being called one of the worst coaches in Ajax history.

We obviously shouldn't be looking at him, nor should we be looking at other Dutchies like Koeman or even Cocu (who is doing an excellent job at PSV). Xavi Hernandez on the other hand... We might be on to something there.
 
The club have to be sounding out options, even just as a contingency and they don't want to replace LVG (it's what any professional club should do). Maybe their policy is not to sack unless top 4 is mathematically impossible (like with Moyes). Obviously damages us for the next season but does send out a strong message to managers that we don't sack lightly, maybe making us more attractive?
 
carvajal said:
I'd try with Neville even if his experience in Valencia is not successful. For what you write he knows/speaks well about football, is british,understands the club and you all seem in love with him. Guardiola sounds great but do you really want passing football?or is simply the shiniest toy in the shop?
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You still think Neville?
 
Attila said:
You still think Neville?
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Yes, English football is not Valencia. As @prarek wrote before Valencia have sacked Hiddink, Ranieri, Koeman and Quique Flores in the past, it has been a crazy team for years.
He seems an intelligent person,with the knowledge , but he has chosen very bad his first destination.
Karanka(he would be one of my candidates for United) was assistant coach for three years with Mourinho and had been before in the Spanish National team, but when he left Madrid ,did not get into the mud as Neville, but went to a small team .
Neville knows the club and certainly is well aware of his weaknesses. Guardiola is going to spend a lot of money and in my opinion will easily win the league. With the current squad United have no choice. In my opinion the only option is United / Chelsea + 300 million in signings with some defensive pragmatic coach who perhaps would get hold until the final weeks, parking the bus ,however the concept will not change: City has the most technical players and the most fashionable coach. It is the handsome team.
To sign Mourinho for me would be like going home with the ugly girl of the party because the pretty one has said no, and the same for all those defensive managers, as we say in spanish, would be "bread for today and hunger for tomorrow". Between Giggs and Neville, the second gives me better feelings. Perhaps you wouldn´t win Premier inmediately but I think he could thrill the fans and organize the club pretty well.
 
carvajal said:
Yes, English football is not Valencia. As @prarek wrote before Valencia have sacked Hiddink, Ranieri, Koeman and Quique Flores in the past, it has been a crazy team for years.
He seems an intelligent person,with the knowledge , but he has chosen very bad his first destination.
Karanka(he would be one of my candidates for United) was assistant coach for three years with Mourinho and had been before in the Spanish National team, but when he left Madrid ,did not get into the mud as Neville, but went to a small team .
Neville knows the club and certainly is well aware of his weaknesses. Guardiola is going to spend a lot of money and in my opinion will easily win the league. With the current squad United have no choice. In my opinion the only option is United / Chelsea + 300 million in signings with some defensive pragmatic coach who perhaps would get hold until the final weeks, parking the bus ,however the concept will not change: City has the most technical players and the most fashionable coach. It is the handsome team.
To sign Mourinho for me would be like going home with the ugly girl of the party because the pretty one has said no, and the same for all those defensive managers, as we say in spanish, would be "bread for today and hunger for tomorrow". Between Giggs and Neville, the second gives me better feelings. Perhaps you wouldn´t win Premier inmediately but I think he could thrill the fans and organize the club pretty well.
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Gary Neville over Mourinho...hmm :lol: If the board did that they have completely lost the plot. I don't know what you see in Neville...pressing buttons on TV and talking well to the press is very different to being a successful manager.
 
Attila said:
Gary Neville over Mourinho...hmm :lol: If the board did that they have completely lost the plot. I don't know what you see in Neville...pressing buttons on TV and talking well to the press is very different to being a successful manager.
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Saying it in that way he seems simply a periodist but was a professional player. Nowadays many ex players are starting to coach, in Spain Victor Sanchez,Javi Gracia, Merino...I wouldn´t rule out Neville only for a bad experience.
For what I read here,Mourinho style doesn´t suit United. City will represent the passing, offensive and friendly style of football and United will become the opposite. One signs Thiagos and the other signs Khediras :)
 
carvajal said:
Saying it in that way he seems simply a periodist but was a professional player. Nowadays many ex players are starting to coach, in Spain Victor Sanchez,Javi Gracia, Merino...I wouldn´t rule out Neville only for a bad experience.
For what I read here,Mourinho style doesn´t suit United. City will represent the passing, offensive and friendly style of football and United will become the opposite. One signs Thiagos and the other signs Khediras :)
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Yeah but you can't just give someone one of the biggest jobs in world football just because they were a professional player. It's reckless and will most likely be a disaster. Neville hasn't shown anything to suggest he's going to be a good manager and the best thing for him would be to go to a smaller club and build up his career and gain experience. Same with Giggs.

We are in a period where we need to rebuild the whole squad and become competitive again against a team that will most likely have won 3/5 of the last titles and will bring in guardiola with a 150m transfer budget. This is a job for a world class experienced coach like Mourinho not a rookie like neville

I don't find Mourinho's football to be bad and Ive enjoyed watching his Chelsea teams. I like counter attack football and even the games away at tough opponents where he parks the bus is fine for me. Watching a well drilled team follow precise instructions to grind out a big result is more enjoyable than just getting any manager who can play attacking football even if means it's a loss. Nothing wrong with being pragmatic and after Moyes and Van Gaal I doubt to many will he complaining with Mourinho's football
 
Attila said:
Yeah but you can't just give someone one of the biggest jobs in world football just because they were a professional player. It's reckless and will most likely be a disaster. Neville hasn't shown anything to suggest he's going to be a good manager and the best thing for him would be to go to a smaller club and build up his career and gain experience. Same with Giggs.

We are in a period where we need to rebuild the whole squad and become competitive again against a team that will most likely have won 3/5 of the last titles and will bring in guardiola with a 150m transfer budget. This is a job for a world class experienced coach like Mourinho not a rookie like neville

I don't find Mourinho's football to be bad and Ive enjoyed watching his Chelsea teams. I like counter attack football and even the games away at tough opponents where he parks the bus is fine for me. Watching a well drilled team follow precise instructions to grind out a big result is more enjoyable than just getting any manager who can play attacking football even if means it's a loss. Nothing wrong with being pragmatic and after Moyes and Van Gaal I doubt to many will he complaining with Mourinho's football
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well, it seems that Mourinho is gaining followers. If you like the counter-attack and are willing to endure some bus , then I hope you have luck. The board has to be aware of the opinion of the majority (and Giggs too)
 
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