If we don't get one of the big names.... (We must sign the next Messi - Coach Version)

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Let’s imagine the big names in terms of coaching will join other clubs: Mourinho will stay at Chelsea or will take a break. Guardiola will go to City or take a break. Ancelotti will join Bayern. Luis Enrique will stay at Barca, and so on. And let’s imagine that the situation with Van Gaal will be that bad by February that we MUST sign a new coach in summer.

The old ones like Del Bosque, Marcello Lippi, Ottmar Hitzfeld or Jupp Heynckes are no real option, are they? And should we really make an experiment with a former player who never really was the head coach somewhere. (Yes, I am talking about you, Mr. Giggs.)

Who should we sign then?

I think it’s pretty tough to choose an option, which is realistic to have success with us. Just to name a few possible candidates:

Mauricio Pochettino

Ronald Koeman

Lucien Favre

Thomas Tuchel

Roger Schmidt

Gary Neville

Diego Simeone

Marcelo Bielsa

Laurent Blanc

Massimiliano Allegri

Or who else?

Give me a hint: Which coach would you think we should choose if we don’t get a real big name? So this thread is like the “coach version” of “We must sign the next Messi”, if you want to put it this way. Who could be the next Guardiola?
 
Kant-ona said:
Let’s imagine the big names in terms of coaching will join other clubs: Mourinho will stay at Chelsea or will take a break. Guardiola will go to City or take a break. Ancelotti will join Bayern. Luis Enrique will stay at Barca, and so on. And let’s imagine that the situation with Van Gaal will be that bad by February that we MUST sign a new coach in summer.

The old ones like Del Bosque, Marcello Lippi, Ottmar Hitzfeld or Jupp Heynckes are no real option, are they? And should we really make an experiment with a former player who never really was the head coach somewhere. (Yes, I am talking about you, Mr. Giggs.)

Who should we sign then?

I think it’s pretty tough to choose an option, which is realistic to have success with us. Just to name a few possible candidates:

Mauricio Pochettino

Ronald Koeman

Lucien Favre

Thomas Tuchel

Roger Schmidt

Gary Neville

Diego Simeone

Marcelo Bielsa

Laurent Blanc

Massimiliano Allegri

Or who else?

Give me a hint: Which coach would you think we should choose if we don’t get a real big name? So this thread is like the “coach version” of “We must sign the next Messi”, if you want to put it this way. Who could be the next Guardiola?
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Pochettino or Simeone would be the best choices out of that lot IMO. Or maybe tempt Klopp away from Anfield?
 
If we miss out on Pep or Ancelotti, then these would be my choices

1) Roberto Martinez
2) Mauricio Pochettino
3) Thomas Tuchel
4) Unai Emery
 
ghagua said:
If we miss out on Pep or Ancelotti, then these would be my choices

1) Roberto Martinez
2) Mauricio Pochettino
3) Thomas Tuchel
4) Unai Emery
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Martinez? Now that would be depressing
 
Pochettino, preferably.
I also like he way Blanc has PSG playing, he should be under consideration also.
 
He might not be a "big" name, but he is a manager who will do well at a bigger club. We have already tried with a "big" name manager, see where it landed us.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Pochettino or Tuchel if you miss out on the big names.
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They'd be my first two choices too. Blanc is a good call though

ghagua said:
He might not be a "big" name, but he is a manager who will do well at a bigger club. We have already tried with a "big" name manager, see where it landed us.
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Yeah and hiring a middle table manager worked out brilliantly
 
Really liking what Tuchel is doing Dortmund, he would be my pick if miss out on Pep and Ancelotti. I really can't see Tuchel leaving anytime soon.
 
caid said:
They'd be my first two choices too. Blanc is a good call though



Yeah and hiring a middle table manager worked out brilliantly
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Absolutely no one we hire can guarantee success, not even Pep. What i look for in a manager is his team's style of play, their man management and their track record. Martinez has a very, very intelligent footballing brain.

BTW, what has Tuchel or Pochettino achieved that makes them your first 2 choices?
 
You can cross Tuchel off your list but you're right to assume that neither Heynckes nor Hitzfeld would make their comeback.
 
PlayerOne said:
Really liking what Tuchel is doing Dortmund, he would be my pick if miss out on Pep and Ancelotti. I really can't see Tuchel leaving anytime soon.
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He just started - he should be given more time at Dortmund and properly prove himself first. He could be interesting in a couple of years though
 
This is a depressing time to be alive. The club should recruit scouts for potential managers, from their personality, family/friends, life style to transfer decisions, man management and, before I forget, footballing philosophy. Can't expect another Sir Alex, might as utilize the Moyes' ipads and be prepared for the next next manager.

(Sigh):(
 
I know he's mentioned early in the OP as staying at his current club, but hands off Luis Enrique.
 
In truth, we should not be looking to replace LVG unless it is somebody of the quality of Guardiola, Klopp, Ancelotti. Think we are overestimating the quality of the team and our adversity regarding injuries. Klopp we can 100% cross off "the list" naturally.
 
I'm a big fan of Bielsa anyway but he could build on the groundwork of LVG and turn us into a high pressing, high possession but highly attacking side.

Sampaoli could also be an interesting shout. I was all for LVG as we needed an experienced operator after Moyes who'd won at the highest level. The only options these days would be Ancellotti or Pep (or Klopp) If we can't these I don't think a left field choice is really that much of a risk
 
Aside from Tuchel and Simeone (who won't leave) that list isn't very inspiring to be honest, especially if we're thinking in terms of building something great for the future. Even Tuchel hasn't proven himself in the European Cup, and neither has Pochettino. I'd take a flier on the architect of two of the greatest teams in the history of football - Xavi Hernández. Bit of a sink or swim move, but he has all of the ingredients of a potential managerial great. If you're gonna gamble, might as well roll the dice and go for broke - primarily because of a lack of top, top alternatives.
 
I just want Ryan Giggs to be our next manager and be successful :(
No data or facts to support this 'want' obviously but just a hope and the thought of the great feeling of him making it big as manager as well at a club where he is legend. Pep like.
 
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Physiocrat said:
I'm a big fan of Bielsa anyway but he could build on the groundwork of LVG and turn us into a high pressing, high possession but highly attacking side.

Sampaoli could also be an interesting shout. I was all for LVG as we needed an experienced operator after Moyes who'd won at the highest level. The only options these days would be Ancellotti or Pep (or Klopp) If we can't these I don't think a left field choice is really that much of a risk
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Bielsa isnt really a good manager. He's a great coach rather.
 
Simeone would be interesting. I'd like to see what he can do with a bigger budget and he could potentially open up the Spanish and the Latin American markets for us. But judging from what i read here, there'll be lots of moaning about how "entertaining" we are when things don't go very well. Atletico's success is based on their magnificent defensive displays and their exquisite work rate on the pitch more than anything else. When they are on good form, they can produce some of the best counter-attacking football one can expect but all the other time they focus on keeping clean sheets and snatching 1-0 or 2-0 wins.

I'm not so sure about the two who are currently in the Premiership. Never really rated Koeman and always believed he's better at reading the opponent and preparing his team for Cup ties, something like Benitez. I was surprised with his work last year but the Saints look pretty average in his second season at the helm. Don't really see anything groundbreaking in Pochettino's approach either. I'm more impressed with his staff's ability to keep the first team fresh with extremely high energy levels than his approach. He's making progress though, last season Spurs where the team with the most dropped points from winning positions but this season they look solid at the back.

Tuchel won't leave BvB just yet and it's his first season at a highly competitive level, Schmidt is very attacking minded but also one dimensional and that costs points in the title race while Favre's mix of possession and dynamic/direct football is very pleasing to the eye but he's had a meltdown similar to Mourinho's this season and that's always worrying when you consider him for a much bigger job. Plus none of these three has been tested at a club with United's expectations.

Conte or Allegri would probably try to implement a style of football which would contradict what most fans expect to see on the pitch. And they both seem like managers who like to work very much on formations/tactics and break everything down to its tiniest details. There's a chance it will work out well but, if it doesn't, LvG's one season and a half would look like paradise.

Anyone from the class of '92 would be a sentimental choice more than a logical one at this point with the board placing longevity above anything else. As for Blanc, i think he should have achieved more in Europe with the players at his disposal and with the "convenience" of having the league title in his pocket before the season even kicks off.

Bielsa is probably the best theoretician of football alive but also a walking time bomb. I mean two hours of video therapy followed by two hours of analyzing the opponent two or three times a week accompanied by training sessions best suited for marines are guaranteed to push any player's mental and physical strengths to the limit. That's why his managerial honors aren't equal to his knowledge of the game.

Ultimately, it will depend on the team LvG will leave behind him. If he goes at the end of this season with no major alterations in terms of personnel during the January transfer period, i would prefer a manager who would build the team around LvG's good work at defending off the ball but shift our focus in the attacking half to a more direct and counter attacking football style. In that sense Simeone would be a good choice for us. But if LvG runs the full length of his contract, continues reshaping the first team and make us play possession football at a top level, we should look elsewhere.
 
Pochettino, probably, I like what he's slowly doing so far with Spuds, and it'd piss Glaston off, which would be a nice bonus.
 
Talking about Germany, we could also add the name Ralf Rangnick. He never performed on the very big stage, I know, but he has seen a lot in the world of football, he is a pretty good when it comes to build a perfect modern training ground and youth academy and his way of football is entertaining.

I mean, he wouldn't be my choice, but as mentioned above, the list of possible options is rather short and/or depressing. ;)
 
Pochettino seems like a safe choice after the success he has had with Saints and Spurs. Seems to improve his players and make solid, hard-working teams.

I like watching Leverkusen play. Don't know anything about else Schmidt. Their style is a lot of fun. I think it would suit our squad well enough. Fans would certainly take to it as long as the results were okay.

I really don't think Simeone would take the job. He has a great young squad going forward (flat out better than ours) and lots of job security.
 
Who should we sign then?

I think it’s pretty tough to choose an option, which is realistic to have success with us. Just to name a few possible candidates:

Mauricio Pochettino

Ronald Koeman

Lucien Favre

Thomas Tuchel

Roger Schmidt

Gary Neville - LOL

Diego Simeone - not a bad idea although forget sexy football with him

Marcelo Bielsa

Laurent Blanc

Massimiliano Allegri - he can only win with teams built from other people

Or who else?

OTHERS

Antonio Conte
Jurgen Klopp (by the time LVG retires he will have just 1 year left in contract)
Frank De Boer
 
Klopp is never coming here. I can't believe people are entertaining the thought.

Mourinho could end up getting sacked. If Ancelotti and Pep aren't available then I rather have him. The only drawback about Simeone is that he can't speak English. Which is worrying as he seems the type of manager who gets in his players face and is a motivator rather than a brilliant tactician.
 
devilish said:
Frank De Boer
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Interesting suggestion. Personally, I think he is one of the worst Ajax coaches in the history of this club. For example, he was totally naive against Salzburg under Schmidt. But maybe it's the squad and not him?
 
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