If Rooney played up front for Barca/Real/Bayern..

Raees

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Would he stifle their attack to the extent where they become slightly enhanced versions of us but still seriously struggle to penetrate the defences of the opposition or would he thrive on the superior support and return to form?

In other words, is a striker really that important in the functioning of the entire attack or can he in effect be carried, as long as the support around him is absolute quality.

Discuss.
 
Christ, you know it's bad when there's so many Rooney threads going around that the ones being created are now hypothetical questions.
 
Rooneycafe? Can't wait to come to the forum one day and see the home page with every thread about Wayne...

Yipeee!!!
 
Remember how having carrick changes our game last season?

Or having scholes back revamped our season? Remember how we lost that barca match because we miss fletcher (would still loss probably). Remember how toothless chelsea with torres? Remember how liverpool finished 7th after suarez left? Or how solid arsenal after they got sanchez? Chelsea with costa?

So yes, one person can change the team that much, especially if he's a striker that involves in every aspect of the game. Striker positioning means alot to winger who tries to find space, means alot to full back crossing, it means 2cb occupied or they can move up to press the midfield.

In top level football having one component missing is alot.

Tbf madrid Barcelona Munich will still win games despite him playing, but if it's a close match against good opponent a draw here and there is enough to lose you the title.
 
Neymar - Rooney - Messi
Ronaldo - Rooney - Bale


I don't think they'd struggle for goals. Rooney would be carried.
 
If Rooney played for those teams they would hook him off 15 minutes into his first game never to be been in their jersey again.
 
He would be on the bench
 
Rooney would thrive I think. The problem we have is we're slow getting forward, unambitious and when Rooney drops deep he doesn't burst a gut going forward. At them clubs they dominate their leagues and have players driving forward. He would still score given chances but when he's not playing well he's not even really missing chances. He's just not getting on the end of anything. That's a problem.
 
Quite obvious really.

They would still win a majority of their league games as they are just that much better than the opposition. They'd still be playing much better football than us as they are that much better.

The impact would be visible in closer league games and in the CL where you can't really afford your striker to be off pace.

All of this said, there's a mental aspect to it too. For all his experience and records, I don't think it's possible for Rooney to not be bogged down mentally due to his recent form. If he was scoring a goal every other game playing for one of those 3, he'd very likely not be as poor due to his confidence being high.
 
Cina said:
Christ, you know it's bad when there's so many Rooney threads going around that the ones being created are now hypothetical questions.
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In other words, is a striker really that important in the functioning of the entire attack or can he in effect be carried, as long as the support around him is absolute quality.

You could still answer that or offer an opinion on that Cina. The reason why I posed this question is that there are some who believe that our attack regardless of Rooney holding it back, could do a lot better.. whereas some would argue that the attack can not progress unless the striker, a pivotal position in the attack is of a sufficient quality to stretch the opposition/hold up play etc. Which is it?

Where do you fall on this..
 
Skills said:
If Rooney played for those teams they would hook him off 15 minutes into his first game never to be been in their jersey again.
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Cassidy said:
He would be on the bench
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Exactly, madrid would of sold him in a second.

Striker10 said:
Rooney would thrive I think. The problem we have is we're slow getting forward, unambitious and when Rooney drops deep he doesn't burst a gut going forward. At them clubs they dominate their leagues and have players driving forward. He would still score given chances but when he's not playing well he's not even really missing chances. He's just not getting on the end of anything. That's a problem.
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sigh

he isn't missing chances because the second he gets the ball in crowded spaces he is disposed, his short passes and touch are so poor atm and his technique has declined. He isn't the entire problem but he's part of it, UTD cannot win title with rooney in the front 4.
 
Raees said:
Would he stifle their attack to the extent where they become slightly enhanced versions of us but still seriously struggle to penetrate the defences of the opposition or would he thrive on the superior support and return to form?

In other words, is a striker really that important in the functioning of the entire attack or can he in effect be carried, as long as the support around him is absolute quality.

Discuss.
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He wouldn't play for them.
 
Could you imagine the fans in the bernabeu seeing a performance from Rooney against city or villa away, they would be waving so many white hankies at him he would think his nose is running.

He would literally start a few games and then never see the light of day again, with Perez shipping him off in January.
 
Striker10 said:
Rooney would thrive I think. The problem we have is we're slow getting forward, unambitious and when Rooney drops deep he doesn't burst a gut going forward. At them clubs they dominate their leagues and have players driving forward. He would still score given chances but when he's not playing well he's not even really missing chances. He's just not getting on the end of anything. That's a problem.
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He is missing chances, Palace, Swansea, Everton etc.
Yes we are not creating an awful lot, but I can already think of about 3 chances Martial has created for him, and a couple Bastian created 2 that he has fluffed. Even the goal at Spurs he fluffed his lines.
He is not clinical. When assessing his performance in front of goal, it is not sufficeint enough to say he is not getting chances, because he is. He is just not getting a lot of chances.
 
Barca didn't win the title comfortably even with Suarez up front...
 
Its impossible to say. Would he go on a run of goals due to more chances being created and look a million times more confident than now?

Or would he stifle their attacks completely.

No idea.
 
Was it only Chelsea after him in 2012? I didnt hear much about European giants battering the doors down to sign him when Fergie said Rooney wanted to leave.
 
The answer is simple. He'll be sold a frw years ago and deemed not good enough like owen and woodgate.

He's good but not enough to become madrid/barcelona loveboy.

He cant displaced messi suarez neymar, nor ronaldo, nor mueller.

Unless you're hypothetically speaking hr will play regardless then he still looks like the odd onenout of the bunch.

Ronaldo finish half arsed chances, messi created from any chance while rooney manages to screw up 10 yard pass
 
Rooney, even when not playing necessarily well, has always provided good numbers. Although his overall play isn't as good as it once used to be, at a team Bayern/Real/Barca, where they create loads of chances per game, I can imagine Rooney would score a good amount of goals. He scored 14 goals last season and he played in midfield quite often.
 
Striker10 said:
Rooney would thrive I think. The problem we have is we're slow getting forward, unambitious and when Rooney drops deep he doesn't burst a gut going forward. At them clubs they dominate their leagues and have players driving forward. He would still score given chances but when he's not playing well he's not even really missing chances. He's just not getting on the end of anything. That's a problem.
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Sense in a sea of agenda driven nonsense.
 
Rooney would do well as he has proven that when he is surrounded by good players and is not the main man he performs well. Mainly because his high work rate makes up for the stars that do not defend that much. He can then also get himself in goal scoring positions without being responsible for much of the creativity.
Rooney is a good supporting team mate who has been thrust in a role that does not suit him, that of the main creative source.
 
Next excuse made for Rooney: If medics would carry him on a stretcher towards the opposition goal and position him in such a way that the opponent goal keeper would hit him in the balls and the ball would then bounce over the goal line every time he tried a goal kick and all that would be legal, how well would he do then?
 
Raees said:
Would he stifle their attack to the extent where they become slightly enhanced versions of us but still seriously struggle to penetrate the defences of the opposition or would he thrive on the superior support and return to form?

In other words, is a striker really that important in the functioning of the entire attack or can he in effect be carried, as long as the support around him is absolute quality.

Discuss.
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The short answer is he would be more effective since the opposition would have to deal with the other attackers. Suarez/Neymar - Bale/Ronaldo. Wayne would get more goals
 
When rooney gets service from the wings he is very good as shown by 2010. I still think he would score eve. In this form with traditional wingers getting crosses in. He is good at finishing cutbacks and a good header for a short guy.

He may be out of form and low on confidence but he can still shoot and pass. I don't think that ever leaves.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
When rooney gets service from the wings he is very good as shown by 2010. I still think he would score eve. In this form with traditional wingers getting crosses in. He is good at finishing cutbacks and a good header for a short guy.

He may be out of form and low on confidence but he can still shoot and pass. I don't think that ever leaves.
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2010 was 5, almost 6 years ago.

You could apply everything in your statement to Drogba but there's a reason he isn't playing top level anymore.
 
Walters_19_MuFc said:
Rooney, even when not playing necessarily well, has always provided good numbers. Although his overall play isn't as good as it once used to be, at a team Bayern/Real/Barca, where they create loads of chances per game, I can imagine Rooney would score a good amount of goals. He scored 14 goals last season and he played in midfield quite often.
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That is the main difference between Rooney this season and Rooney in previous seasons. In last season or a season before he didn't played at his highest level but he still scored and assisted a lot, this season he apart from 3 goals against Brugge didn't scored or assisted a lot.
He was always a good finisher in front of the goal but this season he is missing the chances he get.

His decline is on fast forward this season.
 
He wouldn't sniff the starting XI of any other top flight European team!
 
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