If Moyes got his way...

Sir Erik ten Hag

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The title is self-explained. If Moyes didn't get such a disappointing summer in 2013 and Woodward managed to land all his targets (The rumored Bale, Fabregas, Herrera, Coentrao...etc), how do you think Manchester United would have lined up in that 2013-2014 season?

How would we have performed? Would we have competed for the title, or competed for top 4? Or we still would have fared badly like the actual history because Moyes was clueless (Like many on here claim him to be)?

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Moyes inherited a title winning squad and finished 7th the very next season. Enough said.
 
Moyes couldn't handle the ego's currently within the squad ,so how the heck would he manage them ?
 
Moyes was a disaster, and not even close to being the right man for the job.
However, I have no doubt we would have had a far better squad had he stayed for 1-2 more years.
Kroos was pretty much a done deal for the 2014/2015 season (thanks a lot LvG).
I mean, even Fellaini and Mata turned out better signings than everyone Van Gaal signed other than Herrera, Shaw and Romero, and maybe Martial, and even these turned out far from world beaters.

I remember the day he was sacked, felt better than some of the league titles we won, little did we know…
 
From what you could tell it was Moyes that fecked up both the Herrera and Thiago deals as he "wanted to watch them play himself". As if he'd never fecking seen Thiago play football the cheb!
 
The moment he removed Sir Alex's backroom staff and replaced them with guys he'd worked with at Preston North End he lost the dressing room.

If he'd have kept the continuity of Sir Alex's staff he'd have faired a lot better than he did.
 
Devil81 said:
The moment he removed Sir Alex's backroom staff and replaced them with guys he'd worked with at Preston North End he lost the dressing room.

If he'd have kept the continuity of Sir Alex's staff he'd have faired a lot better than he did.
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The core of the dressing room left too
 
BaneIsPain said:
Still poorly. A player like Rio has zero respect for him.
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A past it defender bitter towards the last manager who didn't really rate him (and subsequently found his level on the bench at QPR).

Anyway, pointless to speculate. I think the only mad thing was LVG blocking Kroos.
 
Moyes would have got top 4 for a couple of seasons and consolidated us as a CL team. But then he'd have got sacked eventually for failing to do more.

Within the context of the last decade, that doesn't seem like a terrible record. But I think if we'd completely stalled our progress, Woodward would have moved on to a more A-list manager like he did after LvG (probably Allegri or someone of that ilk).
 
He did get his way. He ummed and aahed all summer then panic bought the tree.
Even at PNE they called him dithering Dave.
 
In hindsight it is absolutely insane that we hired him at all. We might not have been quite as shit if he'd signed Bale and Fabregas, but he'd never have succeeded at United
 
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Sir Erik ten Hag said:
The title is self-explained. If Moyes didn't get such a disappointing summer in 2013 and Woodward managed to land all his targets (The rumored Bale, Fabregas, Herrera, Coentrao...etc), how do you think Manchester United would have lined up in that 2013-2014 season?

How would we have performed? Would we have competed for the title, or competed for top 4? Or we still would have fared badly like the actual history because Moyes was clueless (Like many on here claim him to be)?

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shamans said:
A past it defender bitter towards the last manager who didn't really rate him (and subsequently found his level on the bench at QPR).

Anyway, pointless to speculate. I think the only mad thing was LVG blocking Kroos.
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Rio Ferdinand's level was on the bench at QPR?

:lol:

He was 35 and had a serious back injury that forced him to retire.
 
Moyes should have played Kagawa more, that was his biggest mistake.
 
Why are we creating new threads for a manager who has not been at the club for 8 years. Are we really falling so far in quality running this place that we have nothing better to discuss? What's next in threads, Ryan Giggs?? or Michael Carrick?
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
The title is self-explained. If Moyes didn't get such a disappointing summer in 2013 and Woodward managed to land all his targets (The rumored Bale, Fabregas, Herrera, Coentrao...etc), how do you think Manchester United would have lined up in that 2013-2014 season?

How would we have performed? Would we have competed for the title, or competed for top 4? Or we still would have fared badly like the actual history because Moyes was clueless (Like many on here claim him to be)?

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We couldn't have fared in worse by keeping Moyes for his entire 6 year contract than we did in the ensuing 7 years without him. The only reason it couldn't have happened is because the fan base had post Fergie PTSD and would call for the manager to be sacked each time we had a poor run of form. Make no mistake, Moyes served up some terrible football, but it wasn't too different than what his successors managed.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Who the feck cares?
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This

For life of me haven't a clue why he keeps getting mentioned, he was easily our biggest disaster since Fergie went. Not sure why people want to go over old ground like their is a new angle to look at.


Should be a ban on threads being made about him to be honest :lol:
 
Moyes inherited a title winning team that was ageing and lacking squad depth. If he got Bale and and a few others that were touted he probably would have gone close to winning the league.

Some managers excel at getting the best from whatever players they have but the teams that win always have loads of brilliant players.

Moyes was faced with egos that spilled into the vacuum left by SAF but the players were fading stars. Moyes job really was impossible. I doubt if he gave himself the best chance but certainly his prospects would have been improved by getting some good players in to replace the old guard. The same would be true of any manager following SAF.
 
I’m not having any more revisionism with Moyes. He was a colossal mistake by the club — and jets be honest, by Sir Alex — and there is no “what if?” about it.
 
Raoul said:
We couldn't have fared in worse by keeping Moyes for his entire 6 year contract than we did in the ensuing 7 years without him. The only reason it couldn't have happened is because the fan base had post Fergie PTSD and would call for the manager to be sacked each time we had a poor run of form. Make no mistake, Moyes served up some terrible football, but it wasn't too different than what his successors managed.
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You're joking, right?
 
Flexdegea said:
This

For life of me haven't a clue why he keeps getting mentioned, he was easily our biggest disaster since Fergie went. Not sure why people want to go over old ground like their is a new angle to look at.


Should be a ban on threads being made about him to be honest :lol:
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There'll be a ban alright
 
The OP has a point, you can't argue against Moyes's trophy cabinet.
 
Raoul said:
Every manager we've had since 2013 has been sacked, except of course Ralf, who would've been sacked in a heartbeat if he wasn't a caretaker.
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And pretty much all of them, apart from Ralf, did better than Moyes.

It was fairly evident from the start that Moyes was naive as feck when it came to the job at hand, to this day I reckon he still doesn't understand how big the job actually is and what it requires. It's just not his level, at all. Doesn't understand it, doesn't have required skillset.

Moyes after our win against Olympiacos sums him up quite nicely, thinking he had proved himself at the highest level and all.

He failed at pretty much everything he tried, and he was so desperate that he constantly changed things as if he was trying different combinations praying for a solution, counter attacking, playing through the middle, attacking only down the sides, a gazillion crosses, didn't even matter who we were playing against. It pretty much reached the point where he was just throwing shit at the wall hoping that something would stick.

No idea why people revisit this pretending that Moyes could've turned out fine if he was given more time.
 
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