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I see the 'ABU' Media are back in full voice...
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The same journo's who were over the moon over the prospect of Ronaldo going to City are now trying to diminish him after deciding to go back home and are working OT to find ngative angles/slants 
As if he needs any more extra motivation...
As if he needs any more extra motivation...
To be fair, he was saying exactly the same when it looked nailed on that City were getting him. He was saying it would be a terrible move for them and he couldn't understand why they would even go anywhere near it.
So yeah
Wilson's point about there being no more excuses for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is a fair one.
The same journo's who were over the moon over the prospect of Ronaldo going to City are now trying to diminish him after deciding to go back home and are working OT to find ngative angles/slants
As if he needs any more extra motivation...
Wilson wasn't one of those to be fair. He was equally as baffled by the prospect of City signing him.
Also, I didn't see anything in Oliver Holt's article worth getting upset about.
There’s an awful lot of sensitivity here… I really can’t see what Wilson has said that is so offensive or ABU.
I’m a huge Ronny fan but there is no doubt that Juve have gone backwards since he joined. JW doesn’t blame Ronny personally for this, he’s blaming the club for a gamble that backfired.
He’s also been consistent (and yet to be wrong) about Ole’s capabilities vs the other managers that he needs to beat for us to win something.
How can Ole keep his job if we don’t put up a title challenge? What more does he need before he’s identified as a main obstacle with how we are regularly unable to break down a well organised defence?
As a lifelong United fan, I would love Ole to be the man for us but I’m also a rational adult who doesn’t get offended when someone points out valid criticism of our club.
I’m a huge Ronny fan but there is no doubt that Juve have gone backwards since he joined. JW doesn’t blame Ronny personally for this, he’s blaming the club for a gamble that backfired.
He’s also been consistent (and yet to be wrong) about Ole’s capabilities vs the other managers that he needs to beat for us to win something.
How can Ole keep his job if we don’t put up a title challenge? What more does he need before he’s identified as a main obstacle with how we are regularly unable to break down a well organised defence?
As a lifelong United fan, I would love Ole to be the man for us but I’m also a rational adult who doesn’t get offended when someone points out valid criticism of our club.
What consistently staggers me about Wilson is that he never even tries to see any positives about United. And he writes at least one article a week about us. So on Friday he tells us that Ronaldo was bought purely for commercial reasons, and as a footballer he's not really effective any more (despite Wilson heaping compliments on him about a month ago during the Euros), and on Saturday we bought Ronaldo so we need to win the league, or Solskjaer is s terrible manager. I would accept those 2 opinions if they were a) from rival fans and not from a respected journalist writing for a broadsheet and b) the opinions of 2 different people.
Those articles feel entirely detached from the mood of all United fans right now, and they seem aimed more at puncturing our positivity than they do at actually saying anything useful or interesting.
How many goals did he score in all competitions? I thought it was 40+? Hiw is that a third? Are you
He scored 73 goals in the last two seasons in all club competitions. 23 of those were from penalties which is 31.5%, so roughly a third as I said.
Star and Sun... maybe. Others nowhere near as bad.
Jonathan Wilson with a proper rant about Ronaldo & United in the football weekly podcast similar to his article. Some weird analysis of his time at Juventus and then ended with United are less likely to win the PL or Cl than they were on Friday morning
The one thing Wilson is right on is the following, "Celebrity in football is the enemy of coherence and in modern football coherence is what denotes the very best from the rest". Ronaldo only improves us if he is humble enough to do what is best for the team. An immediate obvious example is that it would be a bad sign to see Bruno shunted to the side on set pieces.
I think any argument that says that United didn’t need him is absolutely reasonable and can be argued but then why does he say the next day that Ole has no excuses now . Those two things are opposite arguments
Well said if a little too sensible for this joint.Roughly 60% of those who voted (last time I checked) thought it wasn’t a foul by Pogba yesterday! We sneer (rightly ) at the scouse for that sort of bias.
Wait?! First, this is a United forum, of course you'll see a United bias in any decision, moreso in a 50/50 decision. Actually that 60% is quite unbiased in comparison. And secondly, why are you bringing this point into this discussion about journalists. Do you mean to say because we are biased towards United in a United forum, that journalists can be as biased as they want and write biased articles dripping with agenda?
It was a 50/50. Jenas called it a 60/40 on MOTD.
I disagree. It was a bad touch by Pogba followed , as often happens after a bad touch by a wreck less attempt to atone for it. Neves got the ball, Pogba got Neves. Foul.
Of course we are biased towards United.But I would like to think we are not so biased that we ignore our own eyesight.We got lucky yesterday.
We got a break from a refs mistake.I can live with it.What’s wrong with that?
He probably goes home at night and makes papier-mâché models of Ronaldo and challenges them to a fight, but probably then ends up losing because he sunk too many whiskeys in his raging stupor
Roy Keane, while not ABU, isnt exactly pro United and rarely defends the gaffer or the players.
Nothing wrong with that. I am just confused why you're bringing this up when we're talking about journalists who shouldn't have that bias or agendas.
“this joint”?
I’ve got Liverpool and City mates who said “nah, 50 50” and are glad reffing this season is a little less whistle happy
it's been unbelievably odd. You just know he'd have written some manner of gloating, self serving 'article' should City have got their man. It makes you wonder if any of these hacks writing disparaging shit about our club signing Ronaldo are on the Sheikh's payroll. At least if they were -paid- to be this bitter you'd have some sort of understanding for it.
But there should never be this anger over Ronaldo choosing Manchester United or coming back. Old Trafford will at least give his career the reception it -deserves- for the amazing achievements he's had in football away even from the club. It should be celebrated, not belittled by angry little men like him.
He is, and he is so obviously proud of coming up with line about United signing a celebrity content provider. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he quotes himself when talking about it on Football Weekly.
I would be happy to see refs using common sense and not falling for some of the theatrics they usually fall for..But the have to blow for dangerous play. Bad, dangerous , wreckless not
Didn’t finish. Not a 50-50 in my view.
Point is, just because you disagree doesn't mean that is everyone's opinion. That's why the poll was 60/40.
The Jonathan Wilson rant on that podcast is an all time heads gone moment. Really hope we can have him regretting that badly this season.
Not the point of the thread mate.
What was biased? Jeans calling it a 60-40? Fair call IMO.
OMG! Please look at your first post I commented on. The discussion was about Jonathan Wilson's recent articles, and you suddenly brought up a poll in the United forum about Pogba's tackle.
What gets me is at the beginning of the rant he says "I don't know why United fans think I hate them", then he goes on a 10 minute rant about how the players are shit, the manager is useless and we're sliding into oblivion. Which just seems pretty disconnected from reality.
This whole debate seems to miss the point for me. Yes, by the letter of the law it was a foul, but refs this season have been told to let lighter fouls go more and rely more on their own discretion than VAR this season. And that is definitely a good thing.
The Pogba thing was a foul, but nowhere near bad enough of a foul to get VAR involved. This season, marginal calls are gonna go more in facour of the tackler than the person who gets dispossessed - the pendulum has swung from last year. That's just how it's gonna go, and there's no point in people complaining about it unless they want a return to the VARry mess of last season.
Wilson’s rant of football weekly was just embarrassing. The sort of hyperbolic shock nonsense you’d expect from a tabloid journalist.
His points completely contradicted themselves. He kept trying to imply that Ronaldo was the cause of Juve’s decline, not the sole cause but a cause. You can argue they allocated too many resources to him but they still had far bigger issues with their recruitment and the decline of their key players - they still spent a lot of money. Ronaldo produced and was clearly their best player in his time at the club. You’ve see already how they look without him.
But with United there’s no structure for Ronaldo to damage, no successful team to hold back. We’re already lacking any sort of cohesive play and are a team that relies on mostly individual moments. If anything that’s perfectly setup for Ronaldo and United don’t have anything like the same financial restrictions Juventus had. This squad has far more individual quality than there’s currently does. The issues he imagined him causing at Juventus aren’t applicable to us.
He said United aren’t any better now than they were Friday. That is just a laughable statement. We will made a lot better by having such quality in the final third and Juventus are going to be, and already look much worse. The disrespect for Ronaldo as a player is stunning but then I doubt he watched much Serie A in the last few years and has contructed that narrative out of convenience.
Trash journalist. Should be embarrassed.
His points completely contradicted themselves. He kept trying to imply that Ronaldo was the cause of Juve’s decline, not the sole cause but a cause. You can argue they allocated too many resources to him but they still had far bigger issues with their recruitment and the decline of their key players - they still spent a lot of money. Ronaldo produced and was clearly their best player in his time at the club. You’ve see already how they look without him.
But with United there’s no structure for Ronaldo to damage, no successful team to hold back. We’re already lacking any sort of cohesive play and are a team that relies on mostly individual moments. If anything that’s perfectly setup for Ronaldo and United don’t have anything like the same financial restrictions Juventus had. This squad has far more individual quality than there’s currently does. The issues he imagined him causing at Juventus aren’t applicable to us.
He said United aren’t any better now than they were Friday. That is just a laughable statement. We will made a lot better by having such quality in the final third and Juventus are going to be, and already look much worse. The disrespect for Ronaldo as a player is stunning but then I doubt he watched much Serie A in the last few years and has contructed that narrative out of convenience.
Trash journalist. Should be embarrassed.
I was agreeing with The Midnight Rambler's post about there being a bit of over sensitivity on here and Wilson's article being nothing to get hot and bothered about.There are certainly some posters on here who are a little over sensitive and quick to label any critique of United as ABU stuff.
I was using the stats on the Pogba/Neves incident to illustrate that not everyone here is objective when it comes to United.
Nuff said.
The 30 seconds he talked about Ronaldo at Juve was just so bad . It’s mad that someone who scored 101 goals in 130 games is considered worst signing in history .Then he said something about Ronaldo being responsible for them bringing Pirlo in which made no sense at all . He genuinely spoke about Ronaldo’s time at Juve like Ronaldo was manager/Dof rather than a footballer at the club
It's not single article that's being referenced here, the consistent negative articles, how the tone was changed once Ronaldo was signed and the 180 degree change in opinion on Ronaldo once he was ManUtd player.
You can always build a positive or negative narrative on any player, for example you can build positive narrative on Lukaku saying he won Serie A or negative narrative saying how shit he was in CL for Inter that they didn't even qualify from group stage.
Here is the Wilson's article on June 27th, building positive narrative around Ronaldo. Highlighting Ronaldo is not just a goal scorer, he was also involved more in the build up play and his lack of assists was due to not having productive partner.
Wilson's article, Aug 28th once Ronaldo's move was confirmed. Complete 180 degree change from praising him for being a Serie A top scorer to blaming him for Juventus not winning the title.
He blamed Ronaldo, in the article he said "Ronaldo made Juventus a worse football team". That's as straightforward as it gets.
Why not? Did you see how his stance changed before and after Manutd signed Ronaldo? If he was consistently negative on Ronaldo then fine, but that's not the case. He is consistently negative about ManUtd so much that he changed his view completely on Ronaldo.
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