It was Evans he fouled. In injury time, after De Gea's save. Absolutely blatant. Wasn't even looking at the ball and cynically blocked off Evans's run.
Howard Webb's Performance
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It was Evans he fouled. In injury time, after De Gea's save. Absolutely blatant. Wasn't even looking at the ball and cynically blocked off Evans's run.
Why isn't a tug enough to win a penalty? It's a free everywhere else on the pitch, so why not in the box?
I see very little difference in the Young incident yesterday and the foul Evans committed on Walcott during the United-Arsenal game at OT earlier in the season. A pull is a pull, and whether the attacker goes down easily or not is immaterial.
I see very little difference in the Young incident yesterday and the foul Evans committed on Walcott during the United-Arsenal game at OT earlier in the season. A pull is a pull, and whether the attacker goes down easily or not is immaterial.
It was Evans he pushed. That was the incident I mentioned above.
That was blatant. I agree Webb did not want to give that because he had given two penalties earlier and a third that would have gave us the victory would have been too big a burden for him.
Webb is overall a good ref. But he will never be a great one like Collina.
It takes courage to do the right thing.
Disagree. Clear pen, when you grab someones shirt as clearly as that, you impede the player, hence a foul and a pen.
Penalty or not?
Collina wasn't perfect. I remember when he should have sent off Recber for nearly decapitating Kieron Dyer.
no one is perfect.
But he was a darn good ref.
But he was a darn good ref.
I agree, he was an excellent Ref.
I only commented because you said it takes bravery to make the right decision, and then mentioned Collina. In my opinion, that sprang to mind as a decision that Collina bottled. Hence, nobody's perfect.
I only commented because you said it takes bravery to make the right decision, and then mentioned Collina. In my opinion, that sprang to mind as a decision that Collina bottled. Hence, nobody's perfect.
Webb was fine.
That's what it looked lie to me - he was leaning forward, attempting to get away and was being held up by the defender's hand. As soon as the defender released the shirt momentum could only go one way and that was down in a heap.
It seems your MotM couldn't contain himself in the celebrations when Hernandez got the equalizer:
Christ, that Photoshop is so convincing its a good job Piers Morgan is no longer editor of a newspaper.
It seems your MotM couldn't contain himself in the celebrations when Hernandez got the equalizer:
Thats a passable PS-job, was it yours?
Nah, I am just re-posting for great justice.
Yes, Devil Magazine on facebook is his.
Not like a decent photoshopper couldnt put a watermark on an image.
Should have kept Scholesy instead. Jopub's bias is infuriating. And why is he allowed to write "fk" instead of feck? I thought idiot-speak was frowned upon on this board.
True, but I didn't think he was impeded all that much. Maybe I need to watch it again. (Young likes to dive, though, I'm less inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt than, say, Berbatov.)
That's true. He's definitely a diver. I think he dived in this particular incident fwiw. Still a pen for me though.
It seems your MotM couldn't contain himself in the celebrations when Hernandez got the equalizer:
As fecking if
Is it true after Man Utd's defeat to Spurs, the FA have given Webb your next game against Newcastle.
Slap my corrupt ass with an FA banjo!!
Just read some stats, Webb has given 18% of all penalties in his career to Man Utd. Over 9 years, that's a lot. 19% this weekend then?
Slap my corrupt ass with an FA banjo!!
Just read some stats, Webb has given 18% of all penalties in his career to Man Utd. Over 9 years, that's a lot. 19% this weekend then?
You serious? He's also not given a lot of decisions our way as well. Following which we get the hilarious "Fergie must have sold Webb" jokes.
You know non-Man Utd fans don't trust Webb when it comes to your club. Its not just ABUs or Liverpool fans.
Is it true after Man Utd's defeat to Spurs, the FA have given Webb your next game against Newcastle.
Slap my corrupt ass with an FA banjo!!
Just read some stats, Webb has given 18% of all penalties in his career to Man Utd. Over 9 years, that's a lot. 19% this weekend then?
If you hadn't done this before I'd be convinced you were on the wind up.
Can't believe I'm doing this...
1) Howard Webb referees many top games. He's the best referee in the country and has been rated so for quite a long time. Naturally, he'll be involved in many of United's big games.
2) Manchester United spend more time in and around the area than most teams in the league. Naturally we'll get tackled - and therefore fouled - in the area, more than most teams. Manchester United not winning more penalties than most teams would be very disproportionate. Let's not forget the hundreds of divers we've had in our team, winning dozens of penalties unfairly down the years.
3) http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opi...teve-Anglesey-s-3PM-column-article733484.html
The toppest of reds.
I know that. It's because most football fans are idiots. Say something often enough and people will start to believe it's true.
Dumbstar, you're a fecking joke.
What I never understand about certain fans really believing in the corruption thing -
How does it benefit the FA or Premier League in any way if Utd win every year?
It is quite obvious that the TV companies and the neutrals much prefer when a different team wins. (This is understandable, as I imagine for them it gets boring watching us win so often)
Do we pay like an annual fee to the FA/PL? If so how much? I reckon these bribes would be getting quite expensive at this stage.
20 years and not one whistle blower. That’s just not realistic. Or are the media in on it too?
How does it benefit the FA or Premier League in any way if Utd win every year?
It is quite obvious that the TV companies and the neutrals much prefer when a different team wins. (This is understandable, as I imagine for them it gets boring watching us win so often)
Do we pay like an annual fee to the FA/PL? If so how much? I reckon these bribes would be getting quite expensive at this stage.
20 years and not one whistle blower. That’s just not realistic. Or are the media in on it too?
Name change to Idiotstar maybe? Jesus.
Corruption is obviously bollocks - I do think expecting complete objectivity is a bit naive though.
I don't buy into this argument of 'United win loads of pens because you're more often in the box.' We've now had 3 penalties in our last 50 league games and we're forever being technical in the box. Your last two penalties have been a complete embarrassment and this leads people to think it's corruption as opposed to just poor decisions.
I don't buy into this argument of 'United win loads of pens because you're more often in the box.' We've now had 3 penalties in our last 50 league games and we're forever being technical in the box. Your last two penalties have been a complete embarrassment and this leads people to think it's corruption as opposed to just poor decisions.
I'll also tell you that Sir Alex plays a big role in it. He plays a big role in everything. He's the most followed manager in the country. Anything he says gets scrutinised, and anything he says about anyone else will see them scrutinised.
People will say it's unfair, I say it's using the media to his advantage.
But as you say, the corruption bit is the sort of thing you wouldn't hear drunk people saying as long as they knew anything about football.
Every team's supporters thinks they're hard done by. People only watch the highlights. The ones that aren't given to us rarely get much attention, particularly since we end up winning the game anyway.
There's an element of that, but it's overstated on the Caf. I read after the Spurs game that you should have had 3 penalties, but in reality, you had one 50/50 at best. People think that they should get more decisions than in reality.
I think most teams would claim that they had one hated referee. Yours is Atkinson, ours is Dowd, and Spurs hate Foy. That's more common than the 'they're all out to get us' complex.
Too many of the refs are from the north and bring their prejudices with them Dowd, Atkinson, Webb, Clattenburg et al.
That's pushing it but there are very few southern based refs.
EDIT - I would actually add that the standard of refereeing this season has, on the whole, been very good.
EDIT - I would actually add that the standard of refereeing this season has, on the whole, been very good.
Nani's was a penalty. The Kaboul(?) handball was 50/50. I don't even know even know the other one.
But I'm not going to complain about that. We're usually good enough to make these mistakes not matter, so we shouldn't be complaining just because we weren't good enough this time (and make no mistake about that, we were not.), also, Spurs were due some luck against us.
It'd just be nice if people remembered two things:
- Decisions go both ways. Don't moan at the referee because you weren't good enough to win the game. The ref is an easy scapegoat. Unless of course the referee has what should be a career-ending performance i.e. Ovrebo against Chelsea.
- Not just the decisions that "affect" games. People quickly forget that sitter your striker missed because the referee gave (or didn't give) a dubious looking penalty. There'll be countless games when United have been done by a ref, but we're good enough more often than not to make it irrelevant.
He is an idiot, never liked him refereeing our games, for every decision he gave in our favour, there are two wrong that went against us.
We've been lucky with some of the ones we've got, but we should've had a couple vs Spurs and a couple vs Galatasaray. Of course that's ignored by the jokers.